An Equestria...without Twilight Sparkle.

[SaburoDaimando 1,196]

Throughout the three seasons, and the movie, Twilight Sparkle helped bring out Equestria at its best, from reforming Nightmare Moon to making Sunset Shimmer realize the error of her ways. 

 

But I wonder.  What would Equestria have been like if Twilight Sparkle never existed? 

 

Would Princess Celestia struggle against Nightmare Moon?

 

Would the remaining members of the Mane Six(Rainbow Dash, Pinkie Pie, Rarity, Applejack and Fluttershy) never have gotten together?

 

Would that also mean Shining Armor never met Princess Cadance?

 

And what of Discord now that he's loose and the Elements of Harmony have not been re-gathered?  Does that mean he is free to wander about and cause chaos?  Add to the fact that Nightmare Moon has returned and you're seeing a power struggle between Nightmare Moon and Discord.

 

But that power struggle may be worse if Queen Chrysalis and her changelings get involved.  And to make matters worse, King Sombra also returns.

 

Now there's a power struggle between Nightmare Moon, Discord, Queen Chrysalis and King Sombra.  And we almost forgot Sunset Shimmer.  What if she acquires some kind of power in the human world and returns to Equestria with it?  The result would be cataclysmic if there were 5 fighting over Equestria with every pony caught in the middle.

 

What do you all think?  How bad would Equestria have been if Twilight Sparkle did not exist at all?  Would it be as destructive as I mentioned?  Or would it have gone a lot different than what I described?

[duidamasterXD 9,627]

Yes, things would certainly be very different and not in a good way. Nightmare Moon would likely have taken over Equestria, and then Discord would have free reign when he broke loose if the whole Eternal Night bit didn't wipe out everything first. I don't really think there'd be any kind of power struggle though, sure Sombra and the Changelings would show up eventually but they aren't really any kind of competition for Discord. I think the world would effectively turn into his playground.

 

Still, you could say the same for any member of the Mane Six. I don't see why Twilight needs to get singled out as the one that the world would fall to pieces without.

Edited October 9, 2013 by DashForever

[NavelColt 22,882]

Ultimately speaking, Discord cannot be stopped without the Elements of Harmony, from what we've seen. He easily possesses the highest level of sheer magic of any creature or being yet seen in the show thus far (being the only character able to warp reality itself, rather than casting spells that do specific things, which all the other seen villains and characters do). At the end of the day, I would see a reemergence of what Equestria was, under Discord's rule. That is, assuming Twilight not existing or at the very least, not taking the path she took in the show to become the sixth element, didn't somehow alter history to a point where Discord's statue was never given the chance to break free from arguments on filly field-trips.

 

That said, it's also just as likely that Discord's escape may take a tad longer, seeing as, if the Elements never 'reassigned' themselves from Celestia/Luna, their spell that sealed him in stone wouldn't have broken. Though, my head canon is that, since Luna would still be Nightmare Moon, the princesses' attachment to the Elements would still be somewhat null, ergo Discord would ultimately still break out, just at a later date.

 

At any rate, depending on at what point Discord would emerge from his prison, Nightmare Moon, Chrysalis, Sombra and Sunset Shimmer would (most likely) still end up in the ultimate positions they were in of trying to take over Equestria/Crystal Empire. But, from my view, no matter who won each of those fights, be it Celestia and the Royal Army somehow beating them all back each time, or, one or a team of them defeating Celestia and taking over Equestria, it all becomes null and void when Discord reemerges. A world without active Elements is the equivalent of what a coding page is to a designer, for this guy; he strolls in, fucks your shit over with a snap of his fingers, and reclaims his throne. No matter how much power is throne at him from the opposition, or how witty they might or might not be to take advantage of the fact that he can be very self-absorbed and arrogant, you cannot beat him without the Elements (again, based on what we've seen from the show), so, the end story of whatever scenario, is, Discord wins, and Equestria is re-introduced to endless, lawless chaos.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQF1WVaF2dM

 

Apologies for sounding like a completely biased Discord fan here (and I most certainly am), but, seeing as there's not much but speculalatory arguments to counter the point that, 'reality-warper who's one weakness is absent cannot be beat when no one else is also a reality warper', I feel no shame

[Natasha 56]

  On 2013-10-09 at 6:18 AM, ~Chaotic Discord~ said:

Ultimately speaking, Discord cannot be stopped without the Elements of Harmony, from what we've seen. He easily possesses the highest level of sheer magic of any creature or being yet seen in the show thus far (being the only character able to warp reality itself, rather than casting spells that do specific things, which all the other seen villains and characters do). At the end of the day, I would see a reemergence of what Equestria was, under Discord's rule. That is, assuming Twilight not existing or at the very least, not taking the path she took in the show to become the sixth element, didn't somehow alter history to a point where Discord's statue was never given the chance to break free from arguments on filly field-trips.

 

That said, it's also just as likely that Discord's escape may take a tad longer, seeing as, if the Elements never 'reassigned' themselves from Celestia/Luna, their spell that sealed him in stone wouldn't have broken. Though, my head canon is that, since Luna would still be Nightmare Moon, the princesses' attachment to the Elements would still be somewhat null, ergo Discord would ultimately still break out, just at a later date.

 

At any rate, depending on at what point Discord would emerge from his prison, Nightmare Moon, Chrysalis, Sombra and Sunset Shimmer would (most likely) still end up in the ultimate positions they were in of trying to take over Equestria/Crystal Empire. But, from my view, no matter who won each of those fights, be it Celestia and the Royal Army somehow beating them all back each time, or, one or a team of them defeating Celestia and taking over Equestria, it all becomes null and void when Discord reemerges. A world without active Elements is the equivalent of what a coding page is to a designer, for this guy; he strolls in, fucks your shit over with a snap of his fingers, and reclaims his throne. No matter how much power is throne at him from the opposition, or how witty they might or might not be to take advantage of the fact that he can be very self-absorbed and arrogant, you cannot beat him without the Elements (again, based on what we've seen from the show), so, the end story of whatever scenario, is, Discord wins, and Equestria is re-introduced to endless, lawless chaos.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQF1WVaF2dM

 

Apologies for sounding like a completely biased Discord fan here (and I most certainly am), but, seeing as there's not much but speculalatory arguments to counter the point that, 'reality-warper who's one weakness is absent cannot be beat when no one else is also a reality warper', I feel no shame

Ultimately I see no holes in your theory! So let's just thank our lucky stars that twilight and the mane six do exist and did become friends, otherwise, it would probably not be called "Friendship is magic"

[Flutter's lover <3 8,206]

Well, let's see. Given the elements would have not been re-assigned. NIghtmare Moon would've taken over Equestria,defeating Celestia in the process. Discord would still be encased in stone,butwhoknows...Nightmare Moon might break him out. Who knows. As for Queen Chrysalis...she might be in her own layer still, as there would be no Twilight, which would mean no Cadence to baby sit Twilight, and therefore Shining Armor probably would have not met Cadence. So there would be no Royal Wedding, and The Crystal Empire would've been over thrown by King Sombra and it would be under his power. So With that said...Queen Chrysalis would have no reason to attack Canterlot.She would go directly for Nightmare Moon to take over Equestria. and if Discord hasn't been summoned bythis point,perhaps there'd be an event or anomaly that summons him and he joins one of them or creates a 3rd side.....King Sombra would be completely Happy ruling over the crystal Empire...so he's of no contest here.

 

as for the Mane 6...or 5 rather...I think theywould run and hide, along with everypony else in Equestria, and perhaps build up a rebel resistance and attempt to over throw the evil Empires. and in that process would find the elements of Harmony and defeat them.

[Deactivated1 4]

If Twilight didn't exist, then someone else would HAVE to be the element of Magic, and I imagine that they'd have Twilight's cutie mark too in that case. Somehow they could go to Ponyville and meet the rest of the mane six, find out stuff yadda yadda, but that does sound pretty unlikely... yeah, Equestria would be pretty screwed in my opinion.

 

-TZK

[Malinter 3,064]

You are ofc all aware that another 'Element of Magic' would exist even if Twilight didn't. Even the other bearers might be different in relation to that bearer (for example, all mares, all stallions or  even a mix of both). So events would run there normal course with minor changes.

 

Discord's magic is the most potent of the villians, but has it ever stuck you as odd as just before they defeat him, Twilight's shield bubble completely negates his magic, it breaks both his grip on the elements and it 'cleanses' the ground they land on. Discord doesn't seem to notice this at all and just sits there like a muppet and gets zapped. That's for being a smart-arse, Discord.

Edited October 9, 2013 by Nail Malinter

[NavelColt 22,882]

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You are ofc all aware that another 'Element of Magic' would exist even if Twilight didn't. Even the other bearers might be different in relation to that bearer (for example, all mares, all stallions or  even a mix of both). So events would run there normal course with minor changes.

Obviously, but that's boring <3

 

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Discord's magic is the most potent of the villians, but has it ever stuck you as odd as just before they defeat him, Twilight's shield bubble completely negates his magic, it breaks both his grip on the elements and it 'cleanses' the ground they land on. Discord doesn't seem to notice this at all and just sits there like a muppet and gets zapped. That's for being a smart-arse, Discord.

Seeing as how when the episode(s) started, Twilight's spell to stop Discord's chaos did absolutely bubcus, and only when she and her friends were all wearing the Elements, was Twilight's magic able to counter Discord's magic, that can all be attributed appropriately to the Elements' power :3 While all wearing them, they are effectively a mobile anti-equation for all things Discord's magic was doing.

 

As for Muppetcord, I chock that up to writing. Yes, Discord is arrogant beyond comprehension, but that wouldn't cause a stall like that for him. To me, it seemed more of a 'we have a minute and a half left in this episode, this guy's gotta be defeated, and quick'.

[FNGRpony 658]

YES GOd yes, I would love to see a look back for as long as possible up to a season, of how bad Equistra would be with out twilight sparkle.

 

EEEE i love it.

[Denim&Venöm 19,554]

Sunset Shimmer probably would not get involved at all. No Twilight means no element of harmony to brainwash the human world with. So she would just stay their as Equestria burned to the ground under eternal night, constantly shifting environments, emotional leeching and auras of depression. She'd be nice and safe in the human realm... until one of the tyrants finds the mirror and invades the human world.

 

My guess is that there would still be another wielder of the element of magic. Perhaps Sunset Shimmer or even The Great And Powerful Trixie.

[The Prime Reaper 180]

It would be very much OK! 

Without the birth of Twi, none of these villains could have returned. 

The Space-time continnuum be disrupted as well as being ordered, Discord somewhat would never return again.

Luna will probably be defeated by Celestia again in a pyrrhic war.

In the end, the world would be whatever peaceful it is, normal!

 

But in the final days, Death would drag the Equestria back to the Rift and once again returning back to nothingness.

[Silver Letter 1,832]

Without Twilight, the exact same destiny related to being the core component of the EoH (as the main and most important pony) would pass to another. It would be that simple. Nothing would change at all.

[Scootalove 10,689]

Time to make a theory. Discord would have completely made Equestria ''The Chaos Capital of the World'' , and completely plunge it into a huge conundrum of chaos and despair. Nightmare Moon could finally dethrone her sister, Chrysalis's takeover would finally be complete to feed her changeling minions, and finally Sombra's enslavement of the crystal ponies would continue for another 1000 years.

[FNGRpony 658]

  On 2013-10-10 at 1:11 AM, Scootalove said:

Time to make a theory. Discord would have completely made Equestria ''The Chaos Capital of the World'' , and completely plunge it into a huge conundrum of chaos and despair. Nightmare Moon could finally dethrone her sister, Chrysalis's takeover would finally be complete to feed her changeling minions, and finally Sombra's enslavement of the crystal ponies would continue for another 1000 years.

I'd like to know what is the current chaos capital of the world LOL in the pony world.

I wanna see a chaos friendly town ^^.

 

Erm because i respect um freedom...Hay prime reaper that's what a good guy would say right?

Um freedom?  Good guys like freedom?  Let me double check my notes.

[Malinter 3,064]

  On 2013-10-10 at 1:05 AM, The Prime Reaper said:

It would be very much OK! 

Without the birth of Twi, none of these villains could have returned. 

The Space-time continnuum be disrupted as well as being ordered, Discord somewhat would never return again.

Luna will probably be defeated by Celestia again in a pyrrhic war.

In the end, the world would be whatever peaceful it is, normal!

 

But in the final days, Death would drag the Equestria back to the Rift and once again returning back to nothingness.

 

Nope. It would just end with Death and Celestia just looking at each other, and realizing that somepony really didn't think this "immortality" thing out properly.

[FNGRpony 658]

  On 2013-10-10 at 9:04 AM, Nail Malinter said:

Nope. It would just end with Death and Celestia just looking at each other, and realizing that somepony really didn't think this "immortality" thing out properly.

 

Well if they needed someone to replace twilight why can't lady cadenze what's her face do it?

She's an alicorn princess.  I mean it wouldn't be nearly as fun.

 

than again i wonder what her flaws would look like.

[Malinter 3,064]

  On 2013-10-10 at 9:08 AM, FNGRpony said:

Well if they needed someone to replace twilight why can't lady cadenze what's her face do it?

She's an alicorn princess.  I mean it wouldn't be nearly as fun.

 

than again i wonder what her flaws would look like.

 

Ofc we are forgetting that Death will be completely be obliterated upon contact with pinkie.

 

To quote the book of Gregg:

 

"According to the 'Powers That Be' Pinkie Pie can get away with as many lives as she thinks she can get away with. Like Squirrels, and Cats... I bloody hate those things.... always pissing and meowing... all over my furnature, smells bloody awful."

Edited October 10, 2013 by Nail Malinter

[The Prime Reaper 180]

  On 2013-10-10 at 9:14 AM, Nail Malinter said:

Ofc we are forgetting that Death will be completely be obliterated upon contact with pinkie.

 

To quote the book of Gregg:

 

"According to the 'Powers That Be' Pinkie Pie can get away with as many lives as she thinks she can get away with. Like Squirrels, and Cats... I bloody hate those things.... always pissing and meowing... all over my furnature, smells bloody awful."

Nope, you are absolutely wrong. Death can never be obliterated beside only one person that Death can never kill.

You guessed it.

Edited October 10, 2013 by The Prime Reaper

[Malinter 3,064]

  On 2013-10-10 at 2:29 PM, The Prime Reaper said:

Nope, you are absolutely wrong. Death can never be obliterated beside only one person that Death can never kill.

You guessed it.

 

 

I can solve that problem with the mirror pool. Though it might have a few unforseen side-effects but i'm sure nothing universe imploding could possibly happen.

[Winona the Dog 1,984]

Equestria would be screwed without Twilight or any of the other mane 6. It's pretty obvious that Luna would take over until the chaos breaks Discord free whom would easily defeat Nightmare Moon. Afterwards Sombra, Chrysalis and Sunset Shimmer will dominate as long as they don't come across Discord who I feel his magic is limited to one area.