Why didn't Twilight just make the Breezies temporarily bigger?

[Grumpy Enchantress 587]

Then they could safely fly with little to know trouble whatsoever and she could follow them and change them back right as they get to their home. Would that just not sell enough toys?

Edited March 4, 2014 by Grumpy Enchantress

[XxConfusedUnicornxX 834]

If Twilight turned the Breezies into ponies they might not fit into the portal to their home.

[GrimCW 658]

The breezies needed to do it THEIR way, so they could learn how to do so. And as Confused said, they wouldn't have fit into the portal and were running short of time as it was.

[Grumpy Enchantress 587]

If Twilight turned the Breezies into ponies they might not fit into the portal to their home.

That's why she'd shrink them back down when they got there. 

 

The breezies needed to do it THEIR way, so they could learn how to do so.

Not if their way is way inferior, though. 

 

 

And as Confused said, they wouldn't have fit into the portal and were running short of time as it was.

They'd get their way quicker if they were full sized ponies instead of the tiny little things that are affected by the wind and once they got there Twilight change them back just like she changed the Mane 6 back. Making them Pegasi would be an infinitely better solution for Twilight and the Mane 6 changing to Breezies was illogical and ridiculous in comparison.

[silvadel 1,393]

All of the pollen would die and the breezies would starve.

[Simon 4,557]

They couldn't turn into ponies because the breezies have a special magic activated by the breeze that keeps the pollen they collected from going bad. 

[silvadel 1,393]

They couldn't turn into ponies because the breezies have a special magic activated by the breeze that keeps the pollen they collected from going bad. 

 

Thou are one minute too late. 

[Simon 4,557]

 

 

Thou are one minute too late. 

 

I know :'(

 

It's not nice to steal someone's thunder like that...

[Mywas 687]

Because the plot didn't demand it

[Grumpy Enchantress 587]

All of the pollen would die and the breezies would starve.

Then what about just a growth spell and not actual Pegasi? Attempting to place any logic into the spells at all, that should be way easier than changing species. 

Edited March 4, 2014 by Grumpy Enchantress

[Nerdy Luigi 2,065]

It wouldn't make sense. They wouldn't fit into the portal, ponies are practically collosi compared to Breezies. Plus, why?

[Courageous Thunder Dash 7,825]

The breezies wouldn't be able to fit in the portal. Turning her friends into breezies made it possible due to the fact that it decreased the wind power so that it was right speed for the breezies to travel. 

[Simon 4,557]

Then what about just a growth spell and not actual Pegasi? Attempting to place any logic into the spells at all, that should be way easier than changing species. 

 

She can't do growth spells... remember the whole Trixie episode where they explained that growth spells were something very few people could do? 

 

NVM I'm dumb, that was an age spell wasn't it?

Edited March 4, 2014 by Simon

[silvadel 1,393]

Then what about just a growth spell and not actual Pegasi? Attempting to place any logic into the spells at all, that should be way easier than changing species. 

 

She didn't know one that would work in that way -- PLUS the spell she used was kind of special.  It was not a polymorph type spell -- it was a confer form spell.  It had to touch all of the breezies that were there to work.  In essence it confered upon the ponies the form of the breezies.  This is also why she was so flippant with RD at the end.  She would not be able to turn Dash into a griffon without a bunch of griffons as a template.  And if she tried to turn RD into a dragon using only spike, she would end up with Spines.

[GrimCW 658]

 

 

Not if their way is way inferior, though. 

 

Yes, even then.

Their way is how they have to do it in general. It will help them do it again the next time it needs to be done, and allow them through the door which would be too small for a full size pony.

Otherwise they'd need Twilight there EVERY time they wished to make the journey, as well as at the door way in order to shrink them back down again. Should Twilight ever be busy with anything at either time, than all would be lost, and it could have severe adverse affects upon the breezies and their home. 

[silvadel 1,393]

 

I know :'(

 

It's not nice to steal someone's thunder like that...

 

 

I kind of make a habit of that -- so often do I make posts one minute before someone does the same.  I do it in the austraeoh noble jury skype chat a ton.

[Grumpy Enchantress 587]

It wouldn't make sense. They wouldn't fit into the portal, ponies are practically collosi compared to Breezies.

Seriously, this again? I said in my original post, she'd change them back when they get there. You know the Mane 6 didn't stay Breezies and try and live in Ponyville like that, right? Why couldn't this be the same? 

 

 

The breezies wouldn't be able to fit in the portal. 

:okiedokielokie:

 

 

Turning her friends into breezies made it possible due to the fact that it decreased the wind power so that it was right speed for the breezies to travel. 

And if she grew them the wind power wouldn't matter at all. 

 

 

She can't do growth spells... remember the whole Trixie episode where they explained that growth spells were something very few people could do? 

Like Twilight can't do spells only a few ponies can do with her cutie mark being in magic and her now being an Alicorn. 

 

 

NVM I'm dumb, that was an age spell wasn't it?

Maybe, I forget. In either case I think she should be able to learn it if it makes way more sense as a resolution, though. Especially not that she's an Alicorn. 

 

She didn't know one that would work in that way

Changing someone's species is easier? I don't buy it. 

 

Yes, even then.

Their way is how they have to do it in general. It will help them do it again the next time it needs to be done, and allow them through the door which would be too small for a full size pony.

Otherwise they'd need Twilight there EVERY time they wished to make the journey, as well as at the door way in order to shrink them back down again. Should Twilight ever be busy with anything at either time, than all would be lost, and it could have severe adverse affects upon the breezies and their home. 

 

Twilight didn't know shit about their internal conflict, though. From her point of view this would be the way to do it, she wouldn't be thinking about the lesson. If they would have at least had Twilight's thoughts make any rational sense at all and Fluttershy explaining the situation of them learning a lesson, it would have been different. That didn't happen, though.

[XxConfusedUnicornxX 834]

That's why she'd shrink them back down when they got there. 

 

Not if their way is way inferior, though. 

 

 

They'd get their way quicker if they were full sized ponies instead of the tiny little things that are affected by the wind and once they got there Twilight change them back just like she changed the Mane 6 back. Making them Pegasi would be an infinitely better solution for Twilight and the Mane 6 changing to Breezies was illogical and ridiculous in comparison.

The breezies can't fly because the group that got left behind is too few to handle the wind so Twilight turned herself and the others into breezies so they can help them fly to the portal.

[Grumpy Enchantress 587]

The breezies can't fly because the group that got left behind is too few to handle the wind so Twilight turned herself and the others into breezies so they can help them fly to the portal.

I understand that, why didn't she just change them to make the wind irrelevant to them by making them temporarily bigger and shrinking them again when they got to the portal? 

[mars 4,863]

All of the pollen would die and the breezies would starve.

Wait, wasn't the pollen only safe from the breezies' magic?

Wasn't the breezies' magic activated by a breeze?

Didn't they stay most of the day in Fluttershy's house where there is no breeze?

How did they save their pollen?

[XxConfusedUnicornxX 834]

I understand that, why didn't she just change them to make the wind irrelevant to them by making them temporarily bigger and shrinking them again when they got to the portal? 

Maybe because the Breezies wont be able to adapt to their new form? Idk. If you want to find out ask the writers yourself.

[Grumpy Enchantress 587]

Maybe because the Breezies wont be able to adapt to their new form? 

But the Mane 6 could adapt to being that much smaller? I think if either of them would have more trouble adapting, it'd be the ponies changing into Breezies. 

 

 

Idk. If you want to find out ask the writers yourself.

They'd never respond because they don't want to acknowledge plotholes or questionable character actions.   

[silvadel 1,393]

Actually the big plot hole is how this all came about in the first place.

 

My take on it is that in the past the breezies handled the whole thing ALL BY THEMSELVES.  One year there were storms or such and the pegasi considered it their duty to or some fluttershy-like pegasus decided to help the breezies out.  The breezies are if anything co-dependent and lazy.  They asked for help again.  Thus started the tradition of the pegasi helping out the breezies every single year until the breezies forgot that they even ever did it alone. 

 

The message of the story is greater.  The ponies as a whole should stop helping the breezies.  This would have to happen a little bit at a time as they will need a lot of work to get out of this co-dependency spiral.

[OptimisticNeighsayer 479]

Actually the big plot hole is how this all came about in the first place.

 

My take on it is that in the past the breezies handled the whole thing ALL BY THEMSELVES.  One year there were storms or such and the pegasi considered it their duty to or some fluttershy-like pegasus decided to help the breezies out.  The breezies are if anything co-dependent and lazy.  They asked for help again.  Thus started the tradition of the pegasi helping out the breezies every single year until the breezies forgot that they even ever did it alone. 

 

The message of the story is greater.  The ponies as a whole should stop helping the breezies.  This would have to happen a little bit at a time as they will need a lot of work to get out of this co-dependency spiral.

All this makes way too much sense, and I think would also explain why the Breezies were so quick to take advantage of Fluttershy's kindness.

 

Also, as to the OP:  Perhaps either way would have worked (barring the pollen complication).  It's not a plothole, however, when an equally effective solution is not used to solve a problem, especially not in this context.

 

But the Mane 6 could adapt to being that much smaller? I think if either of them would have more trouble adapting, it'd be the ponies changing into Breezies. 

Fair point.  I myself wondered why the Mane Six didn't have their intelligence significantly affected by the spell.

 

I have a couple of objections to this though, but if you could elaborate what you mean by "adapt" I'd be better able to critique it.

[deadprofile 1,123]

It seems like a 'coming of age' thing for the breezies...you don't mess that stuff up if you want them to flourish.

 

Plus, Equestrian ponies seems to have a symbiotic relationship is the way nature works for the most part, and changing how the breezies were to get home would disrupt the delicate balance that the breezies have with nature as a whole...

 

 

Plus, think more pragmatic, the majority of the breezies do not talk Pony, so making them pony will ensure chaos.  Fluttershy would not be able to handle them well (just look her initial interaction with the CMC) and they would want to explore the world in their new bodies because they will have a literal change of perspective. With time being of the essence, this tactic would not have worked out well at all....

Edited March 4, 2014 by Treble Bolt