Is the title ''Brony'' deteriorating?

[LongGoneGr 1,305]

Hey, I'm reformed... remember. 

I loved that movie, I really wish they would have made a sequel.

 

 

ugh.... knew i shouldn't have read again. but i wanted to see the next post.

[LordDiscord 289]

 

ugh.... knew i shouldn't have read again. but i wanted to see the next post.

Wait I'm confused? What spoilers are you referring too.

[LongGoneGr 1,305]

Wait I'm confused? What spoilers are you referring too.

 

discord reforming? haven't seen that far in yet.

[LordDiscord 289]

discord reforming? haven't seen that far in yet.

Well how far are you, because this happened in Season 3, so its kind of old news. 

[LongGoneGr 1,305]

Well how far are you, because this happened in Season 3, so its kind of old news. 

 

I've only been a brony for a month or so - i'm up to watch Episode 13 of season 1 next.

[SomariFeyWright 776]

I'm not afraid to call myself a brony, but I prefer to introduce to others as a "fan of My Little Pony". Again, not out of shame, and I'll call myself a brony in situations to follow, but that takes away the controversy and general negative context that society sadly has on the term, which thus allows people to have a more open mind when talking to me.

 

I have no problem with the term myself and I don't see it as a negative term by any means, but sadly, the term has come with very negative context. Even those who are okay with fans of the show view the term "brony" as a very derogative and negative means of addressing only the most unsavory brony.

 

It's a shame, but the term is DEFINITELY turning into something it isn't.

[LordDiscord 289]

I've only been a brony for a month or so - i'm up to watch Episode 13 of season 1 next.

Oh well I did not know you were that far behind... whoops.

[LongGoneGr 1,305]

Oh well I did not know you were that far behind... whoops.

 

That's ok! No hard feelings

[FoxyCryptid 4,330]

Cynicism and pessimism are horrible drugs that become like an addiction and bad habit even you hate both ideals and want nothing to do with them. I've learned many times what if you stand to long with your back the light staring into the darkness it can hard to look away and find the light again because you become suspicious of everyone's intentions and start looking for the worst in everyone instead of viewing them as human beings into and giving them a chance.

[RockinRarity 1,605]

Like most people, I don't particularly care for labels or drama because even through all of that a fandom like ours will continue to grow and since huge groups mostly go through some land slides the title shouldn't matter. You can call yourself what you want.

 

While I agree, the point that Lord Discord was making earlier is that it pretty much doesn't matter whether or not fans decide to label themselves as bronies.

 

Because either way, the rest of the world will know us as bronies whether we like it or not.

 

Which is why it is a shame that good people abandon the brony label because bad people are part of the community. When the good people do that, it lets the bad people define what a brony is, and it lets the bad people define the fandom as a whole, whether or not, again, individuals within the fandom call themselves bronies or not.

 

I think that is the point that this thread is trying to make.

[GrimCW 658]

I don't care about titles one way or the other, and know it'll be given regardless. So mostly its a "meh" situation IMO.

But the title is only as bad as the you allow it to be in YOUR mind. 

Like any word, it has no meaning on its own, its given meaning by those that use it.

Problem being we're seeing complete re-writes of the language based on the "modern use" of words, and TBH that should just stop.. the people writing the dictionaries really need to cease their edits and "updates" before every word we use right now is completely taboo because someone out to make an ass of themselves used it in a derogatory way and shortly after a few more people did the same, so now its got an "official" defition, once more making perfectly docile words into something completely wrong and practically borderline illegal.

[LordDiscord 289]

While I agree, the point that Lord Discord was making earlier is that it pretty much doesn't matter whether or not fans decide to label themselves as bronies.

 

Because either way, the rest of the world will know us as bronies whether we like it or not.

 

Which is why it is a shame that good people abandon the brony label because bad people are part of the community. When the good people do that, it lets the bad people define what a brony is, and it lets the bad people define the fandom as a whole, whether or not, again, individuals within the fandom call themselves bronies or not.

 

I think that is the point that this thread is trying to make.

That was exactly the point I was trying to portray.

Edited March 10, 2014 by LordDiscord

[KarentheUnicorn 218]

Holy shit, it has to take effort to miss the point by such a margin.

 

 

 

 

The people who made this site and put forth money into keeping it running are bronies, and are ones who proudly wear the title. The point is, this site is made by bronies just for bronies centered around the fourth generation of My Little Pony, which apparently you hate both. I'm not sure if you are even aware the fanbase is much different than that of the 1980s, or that there is a difference between affiliation and association. Is it because there is no good forums centered around the previous generations that you must sign up on a newer one and bitch and complain about us?

 

I can't sure if you are trolling or are beyond ignorant...

Is my eloquent sophisticated terminology blowing your mind must you make a silly comparison? Should I even point out that the underlined content in your statement is contradicting and slightly offensive to the pegasisters who represent this fandom?

 

As a Bigger Brother, I find it sad that previous generation MLP fans will humiliate themselves at every chance to disgrace Bronydom. It happens so often, using the same rhetoric as 'Windows ME is a better system than Windows 8'.

 

 

I'm a troll? I'm not the one posting silly images in the discussion.

 

 You say that the fanbases are very different, then uh, why are you insisting that anyone that likes MLP IS a Brony. IF they're so different then it seems logical they all wouldn't be brony, because as you say, they're different. And as far as forums go, I found out this forum existed by way of the MLParena, because someone posted a link to a merch. thread of new ponies coming out this year that was posted here. I would have never known about this site otherwise). And just because I'm posting on a forum doesn't make me a brony. Especially considering it's called MLPforum. It's like saying guilt by association, just because I post, therefor I am...naa.

 

And because I disagree, you're gonna automatically jump to I hate? Why exactly are you assuming just because I disagree with you about the use of the word brony that means I hate bronies or hate FIM? That's a bit stretch there sir...and you're calling me a troll?

 

As far as pegasister goes: would you insist that all female fans are pegasisters? Because I did see a post recently that suggested pegasister was made up to denote all the female fans of previous gen. Hell, quite a few FIM female fans have and do say they are 'brony'. Lets not even get into making up a title for people who didn't make it up for themself. I know very few G1 centered fans who called them self pegasister. And why would they, they didn't make that word and nobody I know was ever consulted on if as a group they want to be called pegasister. You've got a special word you call people that they don't call themselves...meh.

 

I don't see anyone getting out of the way with female FIM fans who call themself Brony or insisting that they have to call themself pegasister and cannot call themself brony. It seems perfectly fine for some females to call themself brony and most don't seem to have a problem with that. So why is it okay for some people to assume either title but it's not okay for some people to not assume either? But you're gonna insist, no even force the title on anyone and everyone who likes MLP. Even when you imply the two fandoms are different, even when you allow some people to choose brony or pegasister if they are female. But you're gonna insist it's one way or the other for everyone else?

 

There are some people who don't even watch FIM and only like G1, who are not even into G2 or G3. So you're gonna insist that, without liking FIM, they're Brony?

 

Frankly, I'm not the only one who disagrees with you. There are other people who do not assume or want to be called Brony...and it doesn't have anything to do with hate. If you're going to insist we are all stupid and humiliating ourselves, fine, but just because you decide something for a group of people doesn't mean they have to go along or even agree with what you or some others say.

Edited March 10, 2014 by KarentheUnicorn

[Guest]

I'm a troll? I'm not the one posting silly images in the discussion.

 

 You say that the fanbases are very different, then uh, why are you insisting that anyone that likes MLP IS a Brony. IF they're so different then it seems logical they all wouldn't be brony, because as you say, they're different. And as far as forums go, I found out this forum existed by way of the MLParena, because someone posted a link to a merch. thread of new ponies coming out this year that was posted here. I would have never known about this site otherwise). And just because I'm posting on a forum doesn't make me a brony. Especially considering it's called MLPforum. It's like saying guilt by association, just because I post, therefor I am...naa.

 

And because I disagree, you're gonna automatically jump to I hate? Why exactly are you assuming just because I disagree with you about the use of the word brony that means I hate bronies or hate FIM? That's a bit stretch there sir...and you're calling me a troll?

 

As far as pegasister goes: would you insist that all female fans are pegasisters? Because I did see a post recently that suggested pegasister was made up to denote all the female fans of previous gen. Hell, quite a few FIM female fans have and do say they are 'brony'. Lets not even get into making up a title for people who didn't make it up for themself. I know very few G1 centered fans who called them self pegasister. And why would they, they didn't make that word and nobody I know was ever consulted on if as a group they want to be called pegasister. You've got a special word you call people that they don't call themselves...meh.

 

I don't see anyone getting out of the way with female FIM fans who call themself Brony or insisting that they have to call themself pegasister and cannot call themself brony. It seems perfectly fine for some females to call themself brony and most don't seem to have a problem with that. So why is it okay for some people to assume either title but it's not okay for some people to not assume either? But you're gonna insist, no even force the title on anyone and everyone who likes MLP. Even when you imply the two fandoms are different, even when you allow some people to choose brony or pegasister if they are female. But you're gonna insist it's one way or the other for everyone else?

 

There are some people who don't even watch FIM and only like G1, who are not even into G2 or G3. So you're gonna insist that, without liking FIM, they're Brony?

 

Frankly, I'm not the only one who disagrees with you. There are other people who do not assume or want to be called Brony...and it doesn't have anything to do with hate. If you're going to insist we are all stupid and humiliating ourselves, fine, but just because you decide something for a group of people doesn't mean they have to go along or even agree with what you or some others say.

This is so true. If people don't accept the term we are met with anger, insults, assumptions and everything under the sun. We can not simply just not want to use a term to describe ourselves "just because". We need a reason, and any reason we give is completely unjustified and wrong. This is what I mean when I say "forced participation". You are either one of us, or you are negative thing A, B or C. There is no in between, there is no legitimate reason to not want what we are forcing on you, and any reason you come up with is instantly wrong.

 

This is why people are liking bronies less and less, this kind of mentality.

[KarentheUnicorn 218]

Ding ding ding! We have a winner. This is the correct answer.

 

Doesn't matter what anyone says about how "bad" some bronies are, fact is, you are one if you're a fan of MLP. Fan of MLP = brony. Brony = fan of MLP. No difference. Hate the community or hate the word "brony"? Fine, but that doesn't mean you aren't one.

 

I predate Brony, so I'm not a brony. Brony=people who like FIM or MLP but not all people who like MLP=Brony.

 

If we're gonna use analogy's all over the place (from christianity to being human) then consider me a dinosaur...one day I will be extinct but that doesn't make me any less of a dinosaur, even if evolution decided to turn them into birds. Still not a bird...am I dinosaur.

[Windseeker 546]

As far as pegasister goes: would you insist that all female fans are pegasisters? 

Wrong, little girls who watch the show aren't considered as bronies or pegasisters because most of them don't participate in fandom activity. Including the ones who are fans of the previous generations or simply refuse to adopt the title anyways.

 

And because I disagree, you're gonna automatically jump to I hate? Why exactly are you assuming just because I disagree with you about the use of the word brony that means I hate bronies or hate FIM? That's a bit stretch there sir...and you're calling me a troll?

 

There are some people who don't even watch FIM and only like G1, who are not even into G2 or G3. So you're gonna insist that, without liking FIM, they're Brony?

Coming from the same person who labeled me as army recruiter material in a condescending tone because I stated valid points, that's kinda trolling on your behalf. Your attitude in the response to AnonBrony's post on the third page by claiming seniority sort of made it difficult for us to distinguish your behavior to the FiM franchise.

 

And no... if that's the answer you were dying to hear then no G1 fans aren't considered as bronies; there's sort of a thirty year difference there.

 

 

I don't see anyone getting out of the way with female FIM fans who call themself Brony or insisting that they have to call themself pegasister and cannot call themself brony. It seems perfectly fine for some females to call themself brony and most don't seem to have a problem with that. So why is it okay for some people to assume either title but it's not okay for some people to not assume either? But you're gonna insist, no even force the title on anyone and everyone who likes MLP. Even when you imply the two fandoms are different, even when you allow some people to choose brony or pegasister if they are female. But you're gonna insist it's one way or the other for everyone else?

You are missing the point in my statement by miles and incidentally appear to be suffering from poor English. I bring up one thing regarding a different topic and you respond to my statement twisting logic beyond the comprehension of the terms 'irrelevant bullshit'.

 

The underline material in your post is the only readable content and I will gladly say that I said nothing about either fandoms having to accept the title, but since MLP (any generation) fans are so generalized with Bronydom, no one is really going to give a shit what you call yourself. The title is mainstream among the outsiders who views MLP fans as 'bronies' anyways, no matter how hard you try to say otherwise it isn't going to be enough to alter their perception entirely (if not even slightly). So the attempt to do so is rather pointless, it will only result in internal strife among our community with no real affect on public opinion. For example; scalies been trying to separate themselves from the furry community for years and they aren't even close to recognition outside the respective members, they have and always will be associated with furries by non-furs who are aware of such. Its just no one on this forum cares if you call yourself clopper, MLP fan, Bigger Brother, etc. I'm just telling you now that the public will label you as a brony regardless. Trust me, I been through enough bullying and hazing to get some understanding on the public's view on us and I had been a fan of G1-G3 MLP for a while.

 

Another example is; if someone wants to be called a National Socialist in place of NAZI, they will be generalized by others regardless of any differences and will be labeled as a NAZI anyways. Welcome to the real world.

 

You say that the fanbases are very different, then uh, why are you insisting that anyone that likes MLP IS a Brony.

I'm sorry, did I say you were guilty by association? Did I downright tell you that you are brony anyways? Considering the fact I went to hell and back trying to get you to understand that there is a difference between Bronydom and the MLP fanbase of the 1980s, it would sort of be pointless of me to state they are same thing, don't you think? This still applies to my previous statement above.

Edited March 10, 2014 by Windseeker

[King Sejong 859]

   Before I joined the brony fandom I was an MSTie, a fan of Mystery Science Theatre 3000, the fandom is huge is somehow lasted for two decades, and the name MSTie has also endured, I happen to believe than there are some curmudgeonly fans that want to alter things to suit their insecurity, I use "Brony" or Pegasister" because their is no alternate name to use, it's possible their is another name for our fandom, I just don't know what that is. The title brony will be attached to us, no matter is we do change our name, the legacy of the fandom with continue, same as the other fandoms that go by other names, therefore I suggest to have some backbone, some fans might not like to be called brony or pegasister, the majority of MLP fans do called themselves that, and should be left alone to called themselves bronies without scrutiny, don't spoil their joy with mild ranting. 

[LordDiscord 289]

   Before I joined the brony fandom I was an MSTie, a fan of Mystery Science Theatre 3000, the fandom is huge is somehow lasted for two decades, and the name MSTie has also endured, I happen to believe than there are some curmudgeonly fans that want to alter things to suit their insecurity, I use "Brony" or Pegasister" because their is no alternate name to use, it's possible their is another name for our fandom, I just don't know what that is. The title brony will be attached to us, no matter is we do change our name, the legacy of the fandom with continue, same as the other fandoms that go by other names, therefore I suggest to have some backbone, some fans might not like to be called brony or pegasister, the majority of MLP fans do called themselves that, and should be left alone to called themselves bronies without scrutiny, don't spoil their joy with mild ranting. 

I'm not ranting, I am just concerned that the title will become something that drives people away. If the outside will view any fan of MLP as a ''Brony'' then it would put a lot of pressure on someone who might want to check the show out and make them think otherwise just because there is a possibility that he/she will be viewed as a ''Brony''/''PegaSister''. 

[FoxyCryptid 4,330]

I don't care about titles one way or the other, and know it'll be given regardless. So mostly its a "meh" situation IMO.

But the title is only as bad as the you allow it to be in YOUR mind. 

 

Like any word, it has no meaning on its own, its given meaning by those that use it.

Problem being we're seeing complete re-writes of the language based on the "modern use" of words, and TBH that should just stop.. the people writing the dictionaries really need to cease their edits and "updates" before every word we use right now is completely taboo because someone out to make an ass of themselves used it in a derogatory way and shortly after a few more people did the same, so now its got an "official" defition, once more making perfectly docile words into something completely wrong and practically borderline illegal.

 

Reminds me of how people are on Tumblr calling words like idiot, moron, dumbass, ect slurs towards the mentally disabled because they don't know the difference between stupid and mentally disabled. 

[KarentheUnicorn 218]

Wrong, little girls who watch the show aren't considered as bronies or pegasisters because most of them don't participate in fandom activity. Including the ones who are fans of the previous generations or simply refuse to adopt the title anyways.

 

I wasn't talking about little girls.

 

 

Coming from the same person who labeled me as army recruiter material in a condescending tone because I stated valid points, that's kinda trolling on your behalf. Your attitude in the response to AnonBrony's post on the third page by claiming seniority sort of made it difficult for us to distinguish your behavior to the FiM franchise.

 

 

Your comments did, to me, look like you were recruiting, sorry if that offends you but that's how it looked to me. As far as the reply I made to AnonBrony's post; in his post he wrote: To me that's just stupid and contradicting.

 

I wasn't attempting to claim any seniority, just explain I've been into the brand for a long time and that is why I feel the way I do and why my opinion is what it is. I was giving a reason, and asking why does this make me stupid, this is my real life experience and POV. I didn't write it as an attempt to claim anything other than to point out the reasons for my opinion.

 

 

You are missing the point in my statement by miles and incidentally appear to be suffering from poor English.

 

Are you playing the grammar police card on me! Damn! No my first language isn't English, it's pony.

 

I bring up one thing regarding a different topic and you respond to my statement twisting logic beyond the comprehension of the terms 'irrelevant bullshit'.

 

A forum about MLP couldn't possibly have irrelevant bullshit on it and mine really can't be any more irrelevant or twisted than some of the stuff I've read here...

 

 

I'm just telling you now that the public will label you as a brony regardless. Trust me, I been through enough bullying and hazing to get some understanding on the public's view on us and I had been a fan of G1-G3 MLP for a while.

 

Wow, you're telling me...but I'm not a brony and nobody has ever referred to me as such, in person or otherwise. And none of the bronies I've actually met have ever insisted that I'm a brony.

 

I'm very sorry you've been bullied or hazed for liking MLP (if that is what you mean by bringing up bullying and hazing)but for me it wasn't that way, I never had an issue being bullied because of MLP. 

 

Another example is; if someone wants to be called a National Socialist in place of NAZI, they will be generalized by others regardless of any differences and will be labeled as a NAZI anyways. Welcome to the real world.

 

I wondered when Nazi's would be brought up, it's about time someone brought them up and compared them to the MLP fandom. Christians, and Humans and Nazi...oh my...

[RockinRarity 1,605]

 

 

MLP (any generation) fans are so generalized with Bronydom, no one is really going to give a shit what you call yourself. The title is mainstream among the outsiders who views MLP fans as 'bronies' anyways, no matter how hard you try to say otherwise it isn't going to be enough to alter their perception entirely (if not even slightly). So the attempt to do so is rather pointless.

 

Bolded for emphasis.

 

 

And if no one gives a shit about whether or not an individual calls themselves a brony, that means that people think of you, as an individual, as someone who is just as bad as the "bad" bronies.

 

I hope that clears up some misunderstandings or misinterpretations of what the OP is trying to convey. Can we shift the conversation as much as we can so that we are talking about this particular issue? I know that I would like to know people's thoughts about this particular issue, whether or not the people who partake in this discussion call themselves bronies.

 

 

 

It will only result in internal strife among our community with no real affect on public opinion.

 

 

[FoxyCryptid 4,330]

 

 

 

I wondered when Nazi's would be brought up, it's about time someone brought them up and compared them to the MLP fandom. Christians, and Humans and Nazi...oh my...

 

That's technically not a fallacy because it makes the point perfectly. If someone is going to hate you for having ties to a certain group they're going to hate you regardless of what you try to call it. 

[Envy Noson 39]

I prefer we keep the name brony but why did we separate the all female fans of mlp and name them pegasisters.

 

what if

• there's a girl
• that is a big fan of MLP
• and like the earth ponies better

 

Do I call her an earthsisters?

[RockinRarity 1,605]

 

 

Do I call her an earthsisters?

 

I like unicorns best. So maybe that makes me a sistercorn?

 

Or a unisister? Eh, unisis? Siscorn? Or maybe a Sisny instead of a brony.

 

I quit.

[MrHaru 217]

The problem lies with making it a "title". We are nothing more than simply the classification of big fans of MLP, like Sonic fans, Trekkies, Whovians, etc. the thing is, we are part of a fandom that does absolutely nothing different compared to any of them (shipping, debates on episodes, rule 34, fan fiction, fan art, etc) but we have the unfortunate fact all of this is tied to a cartoon/franchise meant for little girls.

 

THAT'S IT.

 

That is the part alone that is the target of vitriol from haters, the beginning of falling outs from friends or haters seeing you mention the show, or anything else. You know that image that goes "Oh look, a pony! Now your day is ruined!"? That may be funny to joke at but it's honestly how some people will react to the mere mention of it, and because of that it causes a lot of unnecessary drama to people that really like the show.

 

Outside of this, it's people who can't handle that not everybody is going to like it the same way. We are a fandom that preaches tolerance......but oh man if someone is ACTUALLY GAY/LESBIAN/TRAN or is a "clopper" we don't think twice about shunning them. That is, at least that's a possible experience that can (and does) happen to those into the fandom.

 

...and it causes so much disarray it's disappointing, really.

 

I wish more fans were in my shoes personally. For some reason ever since I've become a fan, I am far FAR more receptive and accepting of LBGT people or those with certain unexplainable/uncommon fetishes simply because I see a lot of passionate artwork in the community. I see things people put enormous amounts of energy into and say

 

Oh hey, a cute:

 

- Lyra x BonBon pic

- Rarijack fanfic

- Vinyl Scratch x Octavia comic

 

...isn't that adorable? Look at the expressions and emotives the person went through to making that.

 

These^ are things I told myself and well! considering how many people were ok with posting and talking about female characters like this I began seeing things more openly just as a result.

 

If more fans took the time to reflect back on stuff we have learned/liked from this show then we would improve our image...but for what it's worth I still think it's a nice family to be a member in. I've never felt more accepted than in this extended family.