Super Saiyans From DBZ VS Alicorns

[Zhortac 1,475]

We have never seen transmutation magic on others except when Twilight accidentally turned a frog into an orange as far as I can remember, And that was a beam.

 

While facing Beerus in the movie, Krillin says that the Earth is doomed. Piccolo corrects Krillin's statement and adds that the entire galaxy will cease to be.

 

it is said by Whis that during the fight with Goku after he became a Super Saiyan God, that Beerus used up 70% of his full power in the fight with Goku using 80%.

 

True, but ever since his transformation Goku has become amazingly strong, even in his normal form.

 

1. That was pre-alicorn Twilight, and since then, she's gotten alot better with magic. Transmutation can go to non-projectile easy.

2. If I had a dollar for every time someone in DBZ said that, I'd be rich, and they'd all be galaxy busters...

3. Whis didn't say that. He pointed out that Beers was never at full, and Beers even pointed it out. Akira even said that Beers was stronger then SSG Goku during that fight, and of course Whis is miles ahead of both.

4. That's still inconclusive, since he's only used it that one. There is no evidence that shows he retained it after the fight was over or not, like any other SS form.

You could have said Buu Pre-Split or something like that. I thought you meant the Fat Buu in general. My bad. Also, if we're talking about breaking the 4th wall and erasing characters, then that basically means that Bugs is God and would kill everyone. STTGL, Alduin, Goku, anyone.

 

Well, then by that logic, Pinkie Pie straight up owns all the saiyans at once

Edited March 16, 2014 by Zhortac

[Shenron00 366]

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The fact that Arceus was hurt by Pikachu(actualyl him getting hurt at all in the Movie) is PIS of the highest order. He created the Pokemon universe and just by getting pissed off, he was destroying it too.

 

Bugs Bunny can break the 4th wall, he'd jump out of the way and then just erase Goku from the script. Even if he dies, he can revive himself.

 

Good guys don't fight to the death, huh? Really? Because Aslan bit the White Witch's face off, Obi-Wan killed Anakin, Superman killed Lois Lane(Injustice), Raiden killed Liu Kang, etc. Good guys kill a lot too

I didn't mean ALL good guys. Also Obi-Wan didn't kill Anakin, Anakin killed himself while fighting the Emporer, and he Obi-Wan didn't WANT to fight. Superman was drugged into thinking Lois was Doomsday in Injustice and never did anything intentionally. Liu Kang corrupted, which is why Raiden killed him.

[Sanctified Absence 126]

I guess most of those points make sense. However you could not deny that SSG Goku (assuming he would ever reach that point) must be a Solar System Buster at least.

 

Furthermore, as for your no evidence argument, there is no evidence of FTL Transmutation spells.

[Shenron00 366]

1. That was pre-alicorn Twilight, and since then, she's gotten alot better with magic. Transmutation can go to non-projectile easy.

2. If I had a dollar for every time someone in DBZ said that, I'd be rich, and they'd all be galaxy busters...

3. Whis didn't say that. He pointed out that Beers was never at full, and Beers even pointed it out. Akira even said that Beers was stronger then SSG Goku during that fight, and of course Whis is miles ahead of both.

4. That's still inconclusive, since he's only used it that one. There is no evidence that shows he retained it after the fight was over or not, like any other SS form.

 

 

Well, then by that logic, Pinkie Pie straight up owns all the saiyans at once

Id like to agree with you, but Pinkie never jumped out of the page to do anything, but that does seem like something she would do. Alright, now it's down to Bugs and Pinkie.

[Zhortac 1,475]

I guess most of those points make sense. However you could not deny that SSG Goku (assuming he would ever reach that point) must be a Solar System Buster at least.

 

Furthermore, as for your no evidence argument, there is no evidence of FTL Transmutation spells.

Discord. All his transmutation and transformation spells are FTL instant cast. Twilight was starting out when it showed her use a beam, and sure all spells run along that line when they're being learned. But Transmutation, Transformation, and Teleport spells all lose projectile status once nearly mastered.

Id like to agree with you, but Pinkie never jumped out of the page to do anything, but that does seem like something she would do. Alright, now it's down to Bugs and Pinkie.

 

And there goes the universe ladies and gentlemen.

[Sanctified Absence 126]

Discord. All his transmutation and transformation spells are FTL instant cast. Twilight was starting out when it showed her use a beam, and sure all spells run along that line when they're being learned. But Transmutation, Transformation, and Teleport spells all lose projectile status once nearly mastered.

 

Once again, you have no proof. Discord cannot be compared to any other magic users otherwise we can officially say that there a no rules of magic.

 

As a quick fact, Twlilight says that Magic comes from one's inner control, so I have a feeling that Discord's magic comes from his inner chaos, as a result the rules for both would be completely different (or more like there are rules for magic because it's control, while the opposite is true for chaos.)

Edited March 16, 2014 by Blissful Chaos

[Zhortac 1,475]

Once again, you have no proof. Discord cannot be compared to any other magic users otherwise we can officially say that there a no rules of magic.

 

As a quick fact, Twlilight says that Magic comes from one's inner control, so I have a feeling that Discord's magic comes from his inner chaos, as a result the rules for both would be completely different (or more like there are rules for magic because it's control, while the opposite is true for chaos.)

 

There is always rules for magic, otherwise casting a spell would have unknown consequences. You could cast a simple fire ball, and end up teleporting half way across the galaxy, seting a tree on fire, freezing oceans, and turning everyone into a chicken. Even beings like Q have rules with their form of magic.

 

I know what Twi said. I'm not saying she's on Discord's level and can just insta cast Transmutaion, but at her stage as an alicorn, she shouldn't be casting projectile versions, although she still would need a bit of time and concentration to do so.

 

Also want to add, Luna is shown at one point, moving quite possibly FTL. She leaves the moon during the wedding episode, and lands in Canterlot in about 2 seconds.

Edited March 16, 2014 by Zhortac

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I just love it how Goku looks like he's laughing. Vegeta looks a bit more distressed, though.

Edited March 16, 2014 by Oleg

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There is always rules for magic, otherwise casting a spell would have unknown consequences. You could cast a simple fire ball, and end up teleporting half way across the galaxy, seting a tree on fire, freezing oceans, and turning everyone into a chicken. Even beings like Q have rules with their form of magic.

 

I know what Twi said. I'm not saying she's on Discord's level and can just insta cast Transmutaion, but at her stage as an alicorn, she shouldn't be casting projectile versions, although she still would need a bit of time and concentration to do so.

 

Perhaps, in all honesty we are both drifting into semi-confirmed territory here, a cold and nasty place that is inhabited by educated speculation rather than proven fact. So for now I suggest that we turn this into a variable, where the spells may be FTL or not.

 

Now onto a different point, would the Alicorns be willing or clever enough to use these spells? I mean, they have never used them before even when they have an intent to kill. So there are 3 possibilities I can think of. A: You can't transmute something truly sentient. B: You cannot use it on a magic user. C: They never thought about it.

Edited March 16, 2014 by Blissful Chaos

[Shenron00 366]

Hey guys can we quickly get back on topic. DBZ VS ponies. Please avoid any other universe such as marvel, sailer moon, narnia, pokemon and others. Thank You

You're right. This turned into a fanboy/girl argument quickly. In fact, how did we get into other universes anyways? I think we should just enjoy our cartoons/animes and comics/manga without thinking about ridiculous crossovers. Crossovers that make sense are okay to think about, like that One Piece, Toriko, and DBZ crossover I watched the other day.

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You're right. This turned into a fanboy/girl argument quickly. In fact, how did we get into other universes anyways? I think we should just enjoy our cartoons/animes and comics/manga without thinking about ridiculous crossovers. Crossovers that make sense are okay to think about, like that One Piece, Toriko, and DBZ crossover I watched the other day.

 

 

Its fine to think of crossovers. But in this case its dbz vs mlp. Somehow it went on into others universes such as sailermoon, narnia, pokemon, and others. You guys can continue to debate, just keep it dbz vs ponies.

[Sanctified Absence 126]

Its fine to think of crossovers. But in this case its dbz vs mlp. Somehow it went on into others universes such as sailermoon, narnia, pokemon, and others. You guys can continue to debate, just keep it dbz vs ponies.

 

Fair enough, but what if we need to go a bit off topic in order to discuss an important point, such as the power of a character etc?

[Zhortac 1,475]

Perhaps, in all honesty we are both drifting into semi-confirmed territory here, a cold and nasty place that is inhabited by educated speculation rather than proven fact. So for now I suggest that we turn this into a variable, where the spells may be FTL or not.

 

Now onto a different point, would the Alicorns be willing or clever enough to use these spells? I mean, they have never used them before even when they have an intent to kill. So there are 3 possibilities I can think of. A: You can't transmute something truly sentient. B: You cannot use it on a magic user. C: They never thought about it.

 

I'm sure Twi knows Transmutation can be used on sentient beings, but really has no reason to use it on anyone, and the only targets that would be a good idea to use it on, had more magic power then she does. Anyone with a higher magic power, or metal powers to counter, would just be wasting time and effort. She can turn a saiyan into something else no problem, but if she tried it on Piccolo or Buu, it wouldn't do squat.

[GXPBlast 597]

Fair enough, but what if we need to go a bit off topic in order to discuss an important point, such as the power of a character etc?

It was fine at first but then it spiraled way off topic. It usually happens in all threads that are similar in nature as mine.

 

I am just saving the thread before it goes so off topic that soon we will be talking about if a peanut butter and jelly sandwich utterly destroys a ham sandwich. (not really but you get my point)

[Sanctified Absence 126]

I'm sure Twi knows Transmutation can be used on sentient beings, but really has no reason to use it on anyone, and the only targets that would be a good idea to use it on, had more magic power then she does. Anyone with a higher magic power, or metal powers to counter, would just be wasting time and effort. She can turn a saiyan into something else no problem, but if she tried it on Piccolo or Buu, it wouldn't do squat.

 

Fair enough, but assuming Twilight doesn't know what Ki is she'll probably see the Saiyans as incredibly powerful magic users (while they can't do the other spells they can let off beams that make the Alicorn's offensive beams look like a joke.)

 

She may even refuse to use certain spells, believing that the Saiyans could counter them. Meanwhile the Saiyans know what the difference between Magic and Ki is.

Edited March 16, 2014 by Blissful Chaos

[Shenron00 366]

Its fine to think of crossovers. But in this case its dbz vs mlp. Somehow it went on into others universes such as sailermoon, narnia, pokemon, and others. You guys can continue to debate, just keep it dbz vs ponies.

I just don't like crossovers that don't make sense, like DBZ/MLP, or Pokémon and Sailor Moon. I'm not shitting you, I have seen fan art of Pokémon and Sailor Moon.

[GXPBlast 597]

Wow this thread has become really popular.

Edited March 17, 2014 by furgrid

[Zhortac 1,475]

Fair enough, but assuming Twilight doesn't know what Ki is she'll probably see the Saiyans as incredibly powerful magic users (while they can't do the other spells they can let off beams that make the Alicorn's offensive beams look like a joke.)

 

She may even refuse to use certain spells, believing that the Saiyans could counter them. Meanwhile the Saiyans know what the difference between Magic and Ki is.

 

Yeah, but it wouldn't take long to figure out there's a difference. Plus, she could just ask and I'll bet you money Goku would flat out explain it.

[Sanctified Absence 126]

Yeah, but it wouldn't take long to figure out there's a difference. Plus, she could just ask and I'll bet you money Goku would flat out explain it.

 

Didn't we say these were Bloodlust rules?

 

As a matter of fact, if these are bloodlust rules then Broly would just destroy the planet from orbit.

 

It looks like we need a new motivation for the fighters.

[Zhortac 1,475]

Didn't we say these were Bloodlust rules?

 

As a matter of fact, if these are bloodlust rules then Broly would just destroy the planet from orbit.

 

It looks like we need a new motivation for the fighters.

 

OP never state bloodlust. I used it as a scenario. But again, even under bloodlust, as long as Goku is present, Broly isn't going to do anything but gun for his head.

[Sanctified Absence 126]

OP never state bloodlust. I used it as a scenario. But again, even under bloodlust, as long as Goku is present, Broly isn't going to do anything but gun for his head.

 

True, true.

 

So what we've come up with so far is.

 

A: Transmutations spells are a variable on FTL or not.

B: If they survived long enough (as in, if the Saiyan's didn't attack straight away, Alicorns may have magic but in terms of raw offensive power we all know Saiyans stomp) Twlilight would figure out that it wasn't magic or someone would explain it.

 

Can anyone else think of any other variables that need discussion?

Edited March 16, 2014 by Blissful Chaos

[Zhortac 1,475]

I think we've already talked the Broly equasion to death lol. No matter how you slice it, Broly would cost them a win, because he's going to cost them time by going for Goku.

[Sanctified Absence 126]

I think we've already talked the Broly equasion to death lol. No matter how you slice it, Broly would cost them a win, because he's going to cost them time by going for Goku.

 

Yeah, but assuming we're using modern Z fighter rules the most of the other Saiyans would all gang up on Broly, which he could not handle in the slightest.

Edited March 16, 2014 by Blissful Chaos

[GXPBlast 597]

Yeah, but assuming we're using modern Z fighter rules the most of the other Saiyans would all gang up on Broly, which he could not handle in the slightest.

 

In this scenario forget about the goku broly rivalry. In this scenario they all team up against the Alicorns

Edited March 16, 2014 by furgrid

[Sanctified Absence 126]

In this scenario forget about the goku broly rivalry. In this scenario they all team up against the Alicorns

 

Oh. Then that makes things MUCH easier.

 

Now it comes down to one thing, these conditions must be followed for Alicorns to win (at least, in the Transmutation scenario.)

 

A: Alicorns get the first attack

B: Alicorns use Transmutation spells

C: They all use them at once and none of the Saiyans dodge

Edited March 16, 2014 by Blissful Chaos