Rugby Brony 23 May 23, 2014 Share May 23, 2014 Hello all! I am a Computer Science major, however philosophy has always interested me. I enjoy the works of Freiderich Nietzsche, David Hume, and the whole ideologies of Solipsism, Utilitarianism, and Humanism. Perhaps we can all chat and discuss different philosophies, world views, and help each other get closer to attaining the higher truth? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNgineer 161 May 23, 2014 Share May 23, 2014 (edited) I consider myself a philosophizer, I spend a lot of time free thinking. invite me to a chat sometime Edited May 23, 2014 by RNgineer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugby Brony 23 May 23, 2014 Author Share May 23, 2014 I consider myself a philosophizer, I spend a lot of time free thinking. invite me to a chat sometime Crimson Lance Fluttershy? I can dig that! And what are your favorite philosophies and/or philosophers? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
child of the night 271 May 23, 2014 Share May 23, 2014 I would consider myself a philosopher but I have but then I started to think I was indecisive, now i'm not so sure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNgineer 161 May 23, 2014 Share May 23, 2014 Crimson Lance Fluttershy? I can dig that! And what are your favorite philosophies and/or philosophers? hell ya ....... Plato is who really got me started on philosophy but Im more of a modernist applying my thinking to politics mostly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugby Brony 23 May 23, 2014 Author Share May 23, 2014 I would consider myself a philosopher but I have but then I started to think I was indecisive, now i'm not so sure... Don't get discouraged, keep at it hell ya ....... Plato is who really got me started on philosophy but Im more of a modernist applying my thinking to politics mostly. Plato is the foundation of philosophy, "The Republic" is one of the msot important books in philosophy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNgineer 161 May 23, 2014 Share May 23, 2014 Don't get discouraged, keep at it Plato is the foundation of philosophy, "The Republic" is one of the msot important books in philosophy twas good, that was my first 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugby Brony 23 May 23, 2014 Author Share May 23, 2014 twas good, that was my first Have you read any Nietzsche? He is probably my current favorite, the one I am basing my thoughts off of now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNgineer 161 May 23, 2014 Share May 23, 2014 Have you read any Nietzsche? He is probably my current favorite, the one I am basing my thoughts off of now. I have to read up on him, give me some good source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugby Brony 23 May 23, 2014 Author Share May 23, 2014 (edited) I have to read up on him, give me some good source His quotes on Brainy Quote are good, but the book to get a good idea of his thoughts is "The Portable Nietzsche" he pretty much says everyone has a different higher truth and takes on a very cold view at the world, but truly praises the things that make it worth living: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCgQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.brainyquote.com%2Fquotes%2Fauthors%2Ff%2Ffriedrich_nietzsche.html&ei=T7t-U6ilH_OtsQTr9ICYBQ&usg=AFQjCNH6278KGj1uEQ9hm-ZGZ1csdBT9qw&bvm=bv.67720277,d.cWc http://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/516985-the-portable-nietzsche Edited May 23, 2014 by RugbyBrony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagom 204 May 23, 2014 Share May 23, 2014 I'm not a philosopher, but it's interesting for me to hear about how others perceive the world and to know if I can draw inspiration from them. I seriously agree with existentialism and Søren Kierkegaard and he's probably my favorite philosopher even though I should probably consider reading about Nietzsche and Freud again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milky Jade 138 May 23, 2014 Share May 23, 2014 Have you philosophers ever had this thought: "whenever someone starts off with 'I enjoy multiple contradictory ideologies as well as this and that philosopher', they should know that they kind of appear to be liking philosophy "for effect"? Because if you did, you should know that you kind of appear to be liking philosophy "for effect". I don't mean to sound mean, it's just what my experience tells me. Because here's the thing - in order for a philosophy to work, you have to prepare yourself to predicate your basic choices upon its tenets and basal assumptions. If you don't (which is undoubtedly the case if you subscribe to more than one philosophy), you'd stand accused of not giving a fuck about it, and I would not enjoy seeing that. Philosophers construct their philosophies. Anyone of you could subsume their validations for their philosophy, had you read a single article or book published by them. That's what I'm interested in: Can you validate any philosopher's philosophy? Wouldn't you like to do that? For starters? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeric 46,860 May 23, 2014 Share May 23, 2014 I enjoy studying various branches of philosophy, and am found of transcendental perspectivism (I am noticing a common thread here with Nietzsche's contributions having some impact on the participants in this topic). I do however stay as far away from a strict study of jurisprudence as a general rule of thumb since it tends to be the biggest confirmation bias trap I have seen. I do not consider myself a philosopher. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugby Brony 23 May 23, 2014 Author Share May 23, 2014 Have you philosophers ever had this thought: "whenever someone starts off with 'I enjoy multiple contradictory ideologies as well as this and that philosopher', they should know that they kind of appear to be liking philosophy "for effect"? Because if you did, you should know that you kind of appear to be liking philosophy "for effect". I don't mean to sound mean, it's just what my experience tells me. Because here's the thing - in order for a philosophy to work, you have to prepare yourself to predicate your basic choices upon its tenets and basal assumptions. If you don't (which is undoubtedly the case if you subscribe to more than one philosophy), you'd stand accused of not giving a fuck about it, and I would not enjoy seeing that. Philosophers construct their philosophies. Anyone of you could subsume their validations for their philosophy, had you read a single article or book published by them. That's what I'm interested in: Can you validate any philosopher's philosophy? Wouldn't you like to do that? For starters? You have to expose yourself to those different ideologies so you can understand the competing thoughts. I read Ayn Rand's books but I am in no way shape or form libertarian, I just read it to understand their view. I like her view, but I don't agree with it. That's why I say I enjoy those philosophers and philosophies, they all have great grounds and good logical points, although I am a utilitarian. However, reading different schools of thoughts is what I enjoy, so I do enjoy their works, but I do not agree/believe with it. It's all about exposing yourself to different philosophies and I just ended up liking, not necessarily agreeing with, but like the ideas of some other philosophies/philosophers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlunderSteed 1,252 May 23, 2014 Share May 23, 2014 Sure, chalk me up. My educational background is in computer science, law and psychology. However, philosophy is something that I've always given special consideration, since it shapes our world as least as much as the other areas I've studied. 1 Regards, PlunderSteed Bassist, pianist, and backing vocalist for MLP-themed metal band Draconequus. Check out our latest music video, a metal cover of "Tricks up my Sleeve" here. Bassist, pianist, and vocalist for MLP-themed alt rock band Worst Princess. Check our recent live performance of "Shine Like Rainbows" here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlicornAcolyte 254 May 23, 2014 Share May 23, 2014 Hi! Would anyone here be interested in joining a philosophy chat group on Skype? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Discordian 6,015 May 23, 2014 Share May 23, 2014 I love philosophy but my views on it tend to be vastly different from others. I don't subscribe to any one philosophy and prefer to question the reasons behind them and how they can change the way we think rather than their validity or truthfulness. My motto is to question everything. Even questioning my desire to question everything. and questioning whether it's relevant that there is a difference between having that desire for one reason or another. I don't actually know all that much about famous philosophers and have only a basic understanding of many of the more popular philosophies but I adore thinking and use other people's ideologies and philosophies to change, supplement or challenge my own thoughts. I don't see any reason to adhere to any one philosophy so much as incorporate them all into a ball of everythingness. One of my favorite theories is that of phenomenon vs noumenon by Immanual Kant. As I said, I don't have any great understanding of the theory or the person behind it but the basic concept I like. I lean heavily towards noumenon and any thought process that delves further into it. I'm far less interested in the phenomenon except for how it supports any idea of the noumenon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henny Penny Benny 936 May 23, 2014 Share May 23, 2014 I don't know if I would consider myself a philosopher, but I am fascinated and intrigued by philosophical thought. I rather enjoy spending hours working through philosophical issues in my head and discussing my conclusions with other folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kel_Grym 1,917 May 23, 2014 Share May 23, 2014 (edited) Go get a job you lazy philosophers! (Pragmatism ftw) Edited May 23, 2014 by Minister KelGrym 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milky Jade 138 May 23, 2014 Share May 23, 2014 You have to expose yourself to those different ideologies so you can understand the competing thoughts. I read Ayn Rand's books but I am in no way shape or form libertarian, I just read it to understand their view. I like her view, but I don't agree with it. That's why I say I enjoy those philosophers and philosophies, they all have great grounds and good logical points, although I am a utilitarian. However, reading different schools of thoughts is what I enjoy, so I do enjoy their works, but I do not agree/believe with it. It's all about exposing yourself to different philosophies and I just ended up liking, not necessarily agreeing with, but like the ideas of some other philosophies/philosophers. To not agree means to not approve, and what you don't approve of, you don't like. This is the base reason why I suspected "liking philosophy for effect". However, you can go ahead and point out the more agreeable parts. You could point out the poetic value, if you want. But if you disagree with a work's intellectual fruit and ideologies, don't say that you like it on that basis. You won't get away with it. One of my favorite theories is that of phenomenon vs noumenon by Immanual Kant. As I said, I don't have any great understanding of the theory or the person behind it but the basic concept I like. I lean heavily towards noumenon and any thought process that delves further into it. I'm far less interested in the phenomenon except for how it supports any idea of the noumenon. Funny you should bring this up.. despite my obvious dislike for the kantian philosophy, I'd suspect myself of being a wee bit arrogant to not have a book or two of his on my shelf. As for the noumenon? Yes... the idea of 'superior' truth. Of unknowable truth. Can anyone ever call themselves intellectually serious and not contest this idea on the basis that it's built upon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Discordian 6,015 May 23, 2014 Share May 23, 2014 To not agree means to not approve, and what you don't approve of, you don't like. This is the base reason why I suspected "liking philosophy for effect". However, you can go ahead and point out the more agreeable parts. You could point out the poetic value, if you want. But if you disagree with a work's intellectual fruit and ideologies, don't say that you like it on that basis. You won't get away with it. Funny you should bring this up.. despite my obvious dislike for the kantian philosophy, I'd suspect myself of being a wee bit arrogant to not have a book or two of his on my shelf. As for the noumenon? Yes... the idea of 'superior' truth. Of unknowable truth. Can anyone ever call themselves intellectually serious and not contest this idea on the basis that it's built upon? This is why I don't know a whole lot of philosophy. I don't understand half the things that are said. I'm simply not smart enough to understand it. Everything you just said? I can't make heads or tails of it. I don't mean that as any sort of dig at you but rather myself. It's most unfortunate but between crappy memory and impaired ability to use logic I'm not very good at philosophy of any sort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milky Jade 138 May 23, 2014 Share May 23, 2014 This is why I don't know a whole lot of philosophy. I don't understand half the things that are said. I'm simply not smart enough to understand it. Everything you just said? I can't make heads or tails of it. I don't mean that as any sort of dig at you but rather myself. It's most unfortunate but between crappy memory and impaired ability to use logic I'm not very good at philosophy of any sort. You already seem to understand what Kant is trying to do, though.. as far as I could see? His split of the phenomenal world and the noumenal world - in other words, the unreal world and the unknowable world.. It should be clear to anyone that Kant is not a big fan of reason, and denies the validity of it. According to him, all epistemology is false. Everything has to be taken on faith. Reason has to be thrown out to make room for it. Why? Because our consciousness is delimited to specific means in which to function, given no choice to function in another way than in which they do. He divides it therefore into 'categories'. The fact that your eyes grant you the ability to see, according to Kant, is why you actually can't see at all. Just randomly open any of his works, and try not to vomit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Discordian 6,015 May 23, 2014 Share May 23, 2014 You already seem to understand what Kant is trying to do, though.. as far as I could see? His split of the phenomenal world and the noumenal world - in other words, the unreal world and the unknowable world.. It should be clear to anyone that Kant is not a big fan of reason, and denies the validity of it. According to him, all epistemology is false. Everything has to be taken on faith. Reason has to be thrown out to make room for it. Why? Because our consciousness is delimited to specific means in which to function, given no choice to function in another way than in which they do. He divides it therefore into 'categories'. The fact that your eyes grant you the ability to see, according to Kant, is why you actually can't see at all. Just randomly open any of his works, and try not to vomit. That much I do understand and I agree completely. What is and what we see being two entirely different things. The fact that we have things such as imagination that don't strictly think about things in a real world context suggests to me that there is far more than what we can experience directly or figure with logic such as "A + B = C" I actually view linear logic and reason as a form of limiter that restricts the way we view everything. There are a lot of things we can figure out that way, of course, but to think that everything else can be figured out the same way doesn't sit well with me. Even among the things we can see there's much we don't understand simply by looking at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormbringer 346 May 23, 2014 Share May 23, 2014 My philosophies, if that's what you want to call it, are more about the sciences of the universe and whatnot. There's death from the beginning, to the end of time. And I'm the Cosmic Champion, and I hold a mystic sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milky Jade 138 May 23, 2014 Share May 23, 2014 What is and what we see being two entirely different things. I actually view linear logic and reason as a form of limiter that restricts the way we view everything. See - Kant managed to creep into modern philosophies, infecting people, and at the end of the day, even with a considerable contingent of people not having read more than a few pages of him, declare happily that their reasoning is invalid because we aren't omniscient. You did the same: You've already assumed that your perception is invalid. Now, Kant's view is that you can't prove the correctitude of your perception - of any consciousness, in fact - and of existence and identity. Therefore, he concluded, knowledge must come without a form of cognition. But I'll choose to harp on that: Why do you assume that you don't see things how they are? Bold italic underlined: The way we view everything is restricted by logic. Well, I.. agree? Because people don't typically use it.. in fact, don't most people operate on intuition and faith? Logic restricts us because it 'believes' in causality. It believes in consistency. You are free to contests these principles... just as you are free to assert that knowledge is impossible - but for the dignity of us all, don't say that you know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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