Would you Kindly?

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okay before i begin i just want to give you a heads up this topic is about games and how they seem to say or do something amazing but in reality just state bland lines or make up twists that have no cohesion with the plot, the biggest one to me being the whole andrew ryan speech about a man chooses a slave obeys, the first time i heard this i thought it was a very true and solid statement. i have now thought about it and see that it is a very skewed and black and white way of looking at things. i mean what if a man chooses to obey? what is a slave is given a choice? what if in reality everyone chooses but a man fights and gets the choices he wants? i want to discuss your feelings on these kinds of  philosophy and what games you think had a good messege until you saw it without the rose tinted glasses.

[M'aiq the Liar 5,804]

The message for the game "gone home" while being a rather cliche love story (I don't care if it was the first lesbian love story video game, the whole running off with your forbidden love has been done to death, but I digress) was enjoyable for about 3 seconds whilst walking around, hoping for a jump scare that never came. And then I realized that the lesbian lover who joined the army had gone AWOL from the transportation to BCT. That is a felony, and it never goes off your record. If she so much as gets a traffic ticket, she is in military prison. She made a commitment to serve her country, and be in the military. And she ran off to be with some tot. She committed a felony, went AWOL, all to be with her highschool lover. That alone undid the entire story for me. Hard to find the plight of two forbidden lovers when one enlists in the military, gets cold feet, and just goes AWOL.

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The message for the game "gone home" while being a rather cliche love story (I don't care if it was the first lesbian love story video game, the whole running off with your forbidden love has been done to death, but I digress) was enjoyable for about 3 seconds whilst walking around, hoping for a jump scare that never came. And then I realized that the lesbian lover who joined the army had gone AWOL from the transportation to BCT. That is a felony, and it never goes off your record. If she so much as gets a traffic ticket, she is in military prison. She made a commitment to serve her country, and be in the military. And she ran off to be with some tot. She committed a felony, went AWOL, all to be with her highschool lover. That alone undid the entire story for me. Hard to find the plight of two forbidden lovers when one enlists in the military, gets cold feet, and just goes AWOL.

that game seemed to me to just be a big pandering for gay/lesbian/bi loves. i mean im straight and i played it and it was okay. but like you said its really just a story about a person being stupid because chemicals caused a reaction and they didnt try to see logic. and about my first statement i dont mean its just for them i mean the story elements they used were there for a reason as are all story elements and the story would have worked with just about any other combination. if something is interchangable its as your said beaten to death.

[M'aiq the Liar 5,804]

that game seemed to me to just be a big pandering for gay/lesbian/bi loves. i mean im straight and i played it and it was okay. but like you said its really just a story about a person being stupid because chemicals caused a reaction and they didnt try to see logic. and about my first statement i dont mean its just for them i mean the story elements they used were there for a reason as are all story elements and the story would have worked with just about any other combination. if something is interchangable its as your said beaten to death.

Well the whole message of the game was kinda "follow your love, no matter what happens". But the game then undid it's own message, by having one of its lovers go AWOL, and prove exactly why you should not always blindly follow love. She blindy followed her love, and ran away from a service she signed up for. The game undid it's own message by providing examples as to why it doesn't work.

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Well the whole message of the game was kinda "follow your love, no matter what happens". But the game then undid it's own message, by having one of its lovers go AWOL, and prove exactly why you should not always blindly follow love. She blindy followed her love, and ran away from a service she signed up for. The game undid it's own message by providing examples as to why it doesn't work.

im all for following love and what you believe, but if youre the type to change what you believe on a dime then you shouldnt follow it. because youll run in a circle until you die. truthfully i scorn the idea of feelings can overcome anything because in reality feelings are what cause people who have them to act not the other way around. feelings dont make your stronger they only solidify your ideas or actions. hmmm my last sentence wasnt really clear. all im getting at is feelings arent something that can overcome reality you have to back up those feelings with actions and words. and even still you wont overcome some things.

[M'aiq the Liar 5,804]

im all for following love and what you believe, but if youre the type to change what you believe on a dime then you shouldnt follow it. because youll run in a circle until you die. truthfully i scorn the idea of feelings can overcome anything because in reality feelings are what cause people who have them to act not the other way around. feelings dont make your stronger they only solidify your ideas or actions. hmmm my last sentence wasnt really clear. all im getting at is feelings arent something that can overcome reality you have to back up those feelings with actions and words. and even still you wont overcome some things.

And my main issue with the game is that no one seemed to point this out. Everyone was caught up in their "so liberating a lesbian love story" fog, that they failed to see the main message of the game (to follow your heart even if somone says no) is proven wrong by one of the lovers flipping on a dime, and running away from a promise she made to an entire service of people.

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And my main issue with the game is that no one seemed to point this out. Everyone was caught up in their "so liberating a lesbian love story" fog, that they failed to see the main message of the game (to follow your heart even if somone says no) is proven wrong by one of the lovers flipping on a dime, and running away from a promise she made to an entire service of people.

exactly "rose tinted glasses" as i stated in my op i see a big amount of people jumping on the train of philosphy because a game said something that made them think but they dont think it through and dont look past the surface of an idea or story. i could talk for years about these kinds of things i have so much fun with discussion. and yes when you make a promise to protect someone or a "flag" thats the moment you can no longer think of your personal feelings you have to keep that promise or recieve the punishment for failing to uphold your promise.

[Banul 3,831]

Now I never played Gone Home, so I can't comment on specifics, buuuut.....

 

You make it sound like going AWOL is akin to murder or something. Now, maybe I'm just not very patriotic, but I would argue that finding love is more important than serving in the military.

 

Also, I know forbidden love is overplayed, but that doesn't' stop Gone Home's lesbian romance thing from being a pretty important step for American media.

exactly "rose tinted glasses" as i stated in my op i see a big amount of people jumping on the train of philosphy because a game said something that made them think but they dont think it through and dont look past the surface of an idea or story. i could talk for years about these kinds of things i have so much fun with discussion. and yes when you make a promise to protect someone or a "flag" thats the moment you can no longer think of your personal feelings you have to keep that promise or recieve the punishment for failing to uphold your promise.

And what if that promise to that flag leads to orders that you find morally abhorrent? Logic has a place, but so does emotion. There's room for both.

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Now I never played Gone Home, so I can't comment on specifics, buuuut.....

 

You make it sound like going AWOL is akin to murder or something. Now, maybe I'm just not very patriotic, but I would argue that finding love is more important than serving in the military.

 

Also, I know forbidden love is overplayed, but that doesn't' stop Gone Home's lesbian romance thing from being a pretty important step for American media.

but in the end if following your minute long feelings means you screw up repeatedly maybe you ( im saying this not to you directly but as a statement) should rethink how you should feel. i can understand following your heart. but when you do it you should understand that doesnt make you immune to the aftermath of that choice. and going AWOL in the eyes of the law is serious. deadly serious.

[M'aiq the Liar 5,804]

Now I never played Gone Home, so I can't comment on specifics, buuuut.....

You make it sound like going AWOL is akin to murder or something. Now, maybe I'm just not very patriotic, but I would argue that finding love is more important than serving in the military.

Also, I know forbidden love is overplayed, but that doesn't' stop Gone Home's lesbian romance thing from being a pretty important step for American media.

It isn't akin to murder, but I cannot take a love story seriously when one of the lovers involved cannot even keep to a legal binding contract. And the message of the game (other than lesbianism is ok now) was that you should follow your love no matter what. But she then threw away her entire future for a love that she will not be able to pursue from prison. While finding love may be more important, serving is a choice. I cannot take a love story in ernest when one of its participants cannot even keep to a contract she agreed to, and instead of working through, just ran off at the drop of a hat.

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Now I never played Gone Home, so I can't comment on specifics, buuuut.....

 

You make it sound like going AWOL is akin to murder or something. Now, maybe I'm just not very patriotic, but I would argue that finding love is more important than serving in the military.

 

Also, I know forbidden love is overplayed, but that doesn't' stop Gone Home's lesbian romance thing from being a pretty important step for American media.

 

And what if that promise to that flag leads to orders that you find morally abhorrent? Logic has a place, but so does emotion. There's room for both.

i see where you come from but this isnt one of those situations. this is a given reason with a straight line of reasoning. i wasnt saying what i said as a blanket statement. i was saying that if you make a promise and then go "oh nah im good" then you put yourself there and are the only one to blame. "emotional choice" isnt the same as making a choice factoring on your feelings and what is right. its making a choice only with your heart and not your mind. emotional choice is what leads people to do crazy things, but emotions arent bad and arent the cause its the weakness of a person that causes emotion to be stronger than the person that feels it. am i off topic? i cant remember. im not trying to argue either x.x im just saying that there are always effects from the choices we make and we cant change what is real.

[Banul 3,831]

Again, I haven't gone through the story,so you both know loads more about it than I do. I don't even know why I'm arguing this so hard. I think that sometimes, I just like to play devil's advocate. 

 

 

but in the end if following your minute long feelings means you screw up repeatedly maybe you ( im saying this not to you directly but as a statement) should rethink how you should feel. i can understand following your heart. but when you do it you should understand that doesnt make you immune to the aftermath of that choice. and going AWOL in the eyes of the law is serious. deadly serious.

I believe someone mentioned this was a high school lover. I don't the specifics of the relationship, but they could have been harboring those feelings or a long, long time. And besides it is possible that the person who went AWOL knew exactly how serious it was, and chose to follow her lover anyway. My point is that this could be more than a split second decision. 

 

It isn't akin to murder, but I cannot take a love story seriously when one of the lovers involved cannot even keep to a legal binding contract. And the message of the game (other than lesbianism is ok now) was that you should follow your love no matter what. But she then threw away her entire future for a love that she will not be able to pursue from prison. While finding love may be more important, serving is a choice. I cannot take a love story in ernest when one of its participants cannot even keep to a contract she agreed to, and instead of working through, just ran off at the drop of a hat.

 

Serving IS a choice. That doesn't mean that It cant be the wrong choice. I think maybe this person realized that and decided to get out while she still had the chance, and to do what she really wanted to do. 

 

And lastly on this point, you may not personally respect that action, but I don't think that invalidates this as a love story. Worse things have been done in the name of love. 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway I'm going to stop now, because I'm mostly talking out of my ass. 

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Again, I haven't gone through the story,so you both know loads more about it than I do. I don't even know why I'm arguing this so hard. I think that sometimes, I just like to play devil's advocate. 

 

 

I believe someone mentioned this was a high school lover. I don't the specifics of the relationship, but they could have been harboring those feelings or a long, long time. And besides it is possible that the person who went AWOL knew exactly how serious it was, and chose to follow her lover anyway. My point is that this could be more than a split second decision. 

 

 

Serving IS a choice. That doesn't mean that It cant be the wrong choice. I think maybe this person realized that and decided to get out while she still had the chance, and to do what she really wanted to do. 

 

And lastly on this point, you may not personally respect that action, but I don't think that invalidates this as a love story. Worse things have been done in the name of love. 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway I'm going to stop now, because I'm mostly talking out of my ass. 

no no no you arent. youre discussing on the topic just like the rest of us. but my statement stands with if you make a choice only with your heart it doesnt usually end well. especially when it comes to harbored feelings from years ago. i speak from experience feelings that fester inside you only end up turning into something that isnt what they originally were. be it love or otherwise.

[M'aiq the Liar 5,804]

Again, I haven't gone through the story,so you both know loads more about it than I do. I don't even know why I'm arguing this so hard. I think that sometimes, I just like to play devil's advocate. 

 

 

 

I believe someone mentioned this was a high school lover. I don't the specifics of the relationship, but they could have been harboring those feelings or a long, long time. And besides it is possible that the person who went AWOL knew exactly how serious it was, and chose to follow her lover anyway. My point is that this could be more than a split second decision. 

 

 

 

Serving IS a choice. That doesn't mean that It cant be the wrong choice. I think maybe this person realized that and decided to get out while she still had the chance, and to do what she really wanted to do. 

 

And lastly on this point, you may not personally respect that action, but I don't think that invalidates this as a love story. Worse things have been done in the name of love. 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway I'm going to stop now, because I'm mostly talking out of my ass.

 

It does invalidate it, as the really the message, and point of the game was to show how lesbian love can function, and be just as valid as hetro love. And then they go and have them pull a romeo and Juliet, and throw everything to abandon for love, and just have the first lesbian love based video game be really a story of two teens throwing their entire futures away for a highschool romance. It really did serve to invalidate their own purpose they set out with in making the game. And even if you think it is not the right choice, there are valid options to get out of the military, rather than the immature option of sprinting off. If they wanted to show how the love could work, and how you should pursue it at all costs, simply having her stay in the military would have been far better. Having a mature character that acts in a logical way goes further to prove the point than another cliche "throw it away for love" story.