You're just overthinking things.

People liked the fight scene because it was cool. It had explosions and lasers and badassness in general. That's why it's gotten so much hype. It was beautifully animated and very well executed. Of course people are going to like it. That's why people like MLP in general, is it not?

Why are you complaining? You said so yourself that you were glad the Rainbow Power scene made Twilight's friends "useful" again. So your main gripe is that you basically don't like what the majority of the fandom likes, and thus the rest of us are accusing Twilight's friends of being "disposable"? That's a stupid accusation. I'm afraid you're wasting your time.

Why are you complaining? You said so yourself that you were glad the Rainbow Power scene made Twilight's friends "useful" again. So your main gripe is that you basically don't like what the majority of the fandom likes, and thus the rest of us are accusing Twilight's friends of being "disposable"? That's a stupid accusation. I'm afraid you're wasting your time.

As I said, DBZ is nothing but repetitive, draggy battles and characters getting murdered over and over and over again.  People comparing that stupid Twilight/Tirek fight with DBZ just gives me bad memories of how awful that series was.

Hell, the rock music?  The constipated narrator?  The way DBZ was dubbed in America to make its already "extreme badittude" even more so?  That was during the 90's, when American comic books deliberately abandoned sincere and honest optimism with juvenile, superficial "maturity" through extreme angst and badittude.  And, DBZ's stupid edginess just added more to that problem.

That era was called the Dark Ages, and you can learn more about this crap here: 

EDIT: Another video that came long before that: 

Technically, while DBZ wasn't a reboot, but rather a sequel, it was a darker take on what was originally a comedy/adventure.  And, as the Comic Book Dark Ages proved, dark, edgy themes usually collapse on themselves and get reduced to crap.  Same with the Twilight/Tirek fight, IMO, because it threw away everything that made MLP good in the first place, e.g. the friendship motif, for the sake of becoming like DBZ, Shadow the Hedgehog, and the majority of 90's era comics combined.

Trust me, I know this because I had a favorite video game character, Sonic the Hedgehog, reduced to dark, gritty "maturity" bullcrap with games like Shadow the Hedgehog, Sonic '06, and Sonic Unleashed.  I'm not saying Friendship is Magic needs to be more like Generations 3 and 3.5, all I'm saying is that there's a fine line between fixing problems from Gen 3/3.5, and turning My Little Pony into Shadow the Hedgehog.

As I said, DBZ is nothing but repetitive, draggy battles and characters getting murdered over and over and over again.  People comparing that stupid Twilight/Tirek fight with DBZ just gives me bad memories of how awful that series was.

 

Hell, the rock music?  The constipated narrator?  The way DBZ was dubbed in America to make its already "extreme badittude" even more so?  That was during the 90's, when American comic books deliberately abandoned sincere and honest optimism with juvenile, superficial "maturity" through extreme angst and badittude.  And, DBZ's stupid edginess just added more to that problem.

 

That era was called the Dark Ages, and you can learn more about this crap here: 

 

EDIT: Another video that came long before that: 

 

Technically, while DBZ wasn't a reboot, but rather a sequel, it was a darker take on what was originally a comedy/adventure.  And, as the Comic Book Dark Ages proved, dark, edgy themes usually collapse on themselves and get reduced to crap.  Same with the Twilight/Tirek fight, IMO, because it threw away everything that made MLP good in the first place, e.g. the friendship motif, for the sake of becoming like DBZ, Shadow the Hedgehog, and the majority of 90's era comics combined.

 

Trust me, I know this because I had a favorite video game character, Sonic the Hedgehog, reduced to dark, gritty "maturity" bullcrap with games like Shadow the Hedgehog, Sonic '06, and Sonic Unleashed.  I'm not saying Friendship is Magic needs to be more like Generations 3 and 3.5, all I'm saying is that there's a fine line between fixing problems from Gen 3/3.5, and turning My Little Pony into Shadow the Hedgehog.

Oh please, go watch G1's Pilot where Tirek threatens to decapitate Spike several times then look at this episode. There's absolutely nothing in Twilight's Kingdom that's so dark or gritty that it's out of place for MLP, that's the difference. 

Magic-stealing centaur in a world heavily inspired by Greek mythology that gets defeated by a Rainbow of Light, why not? That's not quite the same as having a hedgehog's anti-hero foil, that supposedly learned his lesson, come back with amnesia, and start shooting shit up, all whilst questioning the value of life itself. 

You see the former takes a logical step into being a darker story without alienating the viewer while the latter blatantly disregards the story to issue in a more dark and gritty plot. So no MLP is nowhere close to going in that direction, but honestly I don't know why I'm writing this. You aren't going to listen anyway, so why try to explain it?

Oh please, go watch G1's Pilot where Tirek threatens to decapitate Spike several times then look at this episode. There's absolutely nothing so dark or gritty that it's out of place in MLP, that's the difference. 

 

Magic-stealing centaur in a world heavily inspired by Greek mythology that gets defeated by a Rainbow of Light, why not? That's not quite the same as having a hedgehog's anti-hero foil, that supposedly learned his lesson, come back with amnesia, and start shooting shit up, all whilst questioning the value of life itself. 

 

You see the former takes a logical step into being a darker story without alienating the viewer while the latter blatantly disregards the story to issue in a more dark and gritty plot. So no MLP is nowhere close to going in that direction, but honestly I don't know why I'm writing this. You aren't going to listen anyway, so why try to explain it?

I would be able to believe that, if people didn't care more about the big, dumb fight scene that tossed the show's own core essence aside to rip-off an already-awful, overrated anime series, than they do the Rainbow Power scene.

Dragon Ball Z represented everything that was wrong with the 90's, alongside the Comic Book Dark Ages, like Shadow the Hedgehog years later.  It was a dark, gritty sequel to what was originally a lighthearted parody of martial-arts anime like Fist of the North Star.  And, as such, it resorted to a huge variety of cheap, pitiful tactics to make itself that way, from murdering supporting characters frequently to the point of stuffing them in the refrigerator, to dragging fights for over a million chapters/episodes to the point that they become tiring and repetitive.

And that's all anyone will ever remember the Season Four finale for: The dumb fight-scene that strips itself of its own friendship motif for the sake of ripping off an anime series that, as I said before, represented everything that was wrong with the 90's.

I'm sorry you hate DBZ and the Twilight/Tirek fight scene to the point of being ridiculously irrational

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None of this crap had anything to do with my argument. And you've proven over and over again that you just don't have the ability to listen to anyone else's voice but your own. I'm done.

I would be able to believe that, if people didn't care more about the big, dumb fight scene that tossed the show's own core essence aside to rip-off an already-awful, overrated anime series, than they do the Rainbow Power scene.

 

Dragon Ball Z represented everything that was wrong with the 90's, alongside the Comic Book Dark Ages, like Shadow the Hedgehog years later.  It was a dark, gritty sequel to what was originally a lighthearted parody of martial-arts anime like Fist of the North Star.  And, as such, it resorted to a huge variety of cheap, pitiful tactics to make itself that way, from murdering supporting characters frequently to the point of stuffing them in the refrigerator, to dragging fights for over a million chapters/episodes to the point that they become tiring and repetitive.

 

And that's all anyone will ever remember the Season Four finale for: The dumb fight-scene that strips itself of its own friendship motif for the sake of ripping off an anime series that, as I said before, represented everything that was wrong with the 90's.

I'm glad that you acknowledged my point and gave a reason other than "I don't like it, therefore it's stupid." Oh wait, you didn't! Drawing inspiration from a work you don't like isn't an excuse when it doesn't fall into the same pitfalls. You say DBZ made the characters disposable and the fights were repetitive, but FiM didn't have either of these flaws in this episode. So what's the problem!? The fight scene was a major event in the story, it was well animated, well executed, and lasted a 2-3 minutes, therefore it ran into none of the pitfalls. 

Ok, so maybe Twilight being the focus is your problem. Well, let me ask you this do you hate Magical Mystery Cure or Magic Duel? Her friends played the supporting roles in that, so are they disposable? Hell no, every contribution helps, you should know that.

Like or not Twilight is the strongest of the group, but even with that knowledge she realizes that she needs her friends. The point is her power is not as important to her as her friends, she'd sacrifice anything for them (proven in this episode). You spend so much time focusing on this one scene that you are blind to every other theme that was pushed forth in the episode.

People are going to remember this episode for more than just the fight scene, because Rainbow Power, Discord's true reformation, and Tirek himself are sure to also be popular topics. 

The truth is that the only person that's focusing solely on the fight scene is you, everyone else is defending it with good reason, but you're the one who can't let go of your hatred of DBZ enough to actually see the point of its existence. You're ruining the episode for yourself, because of your irrational personal bias (which we've explained to you numerous times). I'm not mad, I don't dislike you, but I am disappointed that you aren't even grasping the real reason that people loved the fight scene. 

People loved it because it wasn't spectacle for the sake of spectacle, it tied the themes together alongside the spectacle. Twilight couldn't stop Tirek by herself, not even with all the alicorn magic in Equestria, but could stop him with the help of her friends.

I'm done, this is my final post here. If it sways you cool, if not oh well. See ya later.

EDIT: Wow, I have no sense of flow. XD

 

Which is why I'm thankful for the Rainbow Power scene, which redeemed Twilight's friends for being useless and disposable. The whole point of the show is the magic of friendship, and that stupid fight scene went against it because Twilight solo'ed Tirek while her friends were reduced to disposable extras.

And here's the point where you rendered your own argument invalid. The fact is in that same episode where you claim "the episode made her friends useless and disposable"

-She still lost the fight

-She wasn't powerful enough to beat Tirek

-She still needed her friends to beat them via Rainbow Power as you so kindly pointed out.

-Also you keep neglecting to mention the fact that to use that power Twilight still needed to get that key which can only be obtained through a lesson she needed to learn about friendship, namely that friendship is more powerful than all the magic she has at her disposal which made this fight scene necessary. If she had just obtained the key for no reason that would have made the whole "Rainbow Power" a Deus Ex Machina and that would have reflected very poorly on the episode.

With all this your argument is invalid and it has no weight to weight to it.

As for the reason that you dislike the fight scene because "people are making comparisons to Dragonball Z" that's irrelevant. This isn't even about the fight scene this is just you whining about the fandom and whining about the fact that people like Dragonball Z.

As for DBZ all I can say is this, you can keep calling it shit all you like, it won't make fact and it won't stop people from liking it. Oh and as for over-rated?

Yeah just because you don't like something doesn't make it "over-rated", this has to be the most abused term I've ever seen used. Why do you care if people like DBZ? Let people like what they like! No one is obligated to think the way that you do or dislike what you dislike.

Me personally, I don't care what your reasons are for disliking DBZ are, you can dislike it all you like. I found the series fun and that's good enough for me. Have a problem with that? Too damn bad! To put it bluntly nobody cares if you don't like Dragonball Z and nobody cares that you don't like the fight scene. What everyone does have a problem with is that you've been using it as an opportunity to whine about the fandom making comparisons to DBZ and that you've been trying to force your opinion on DBZ down everybody's throat.

This is basically your argument: "Everyone is comparing that fight scene to Dragonball Z!! I don't like Dragonball Z guys!! Stop liking it!! Stop having fun!!"

Stop your petty whining and let everyone have their fun. All you're doing is being annoying.

And here's the point where you rendered your own argument invalid. The fact is in that same episode where you claim "the episode made her friends useless and disposable"

-She still lost the fight

-She wasn't powerful enough to beat Tirek

-She still needed her friends to beat them via Rainbow Power as you so kindly pointed out.

-Also you keep neglecting to mention the fact that to use that power Twilight still needed to get that key which can only be obtained through a lesson she needed to learn about friendship, namely that friendship is more powerful than all the magic she has at her disposal which made this fight scene necessary. If she had just obtained the key for no reason that would have made the whole "Rainbow Power" a Deus Ex Machina and that would have reflected very poorly on the episode.

 

With all this your argument is invalid and it has no weight to weight to it.

 

As for the reason that you dislike the fight scene because "people are making comparisons to Dragonball Z" that's irrelevant. This isn't even about the fight scene this is just you whining about the fandom and whining about the fact that people like Dragonball Z.

 

As for DBZ all I can say is this, you can keep calling it shit all you like, it won't make fact and it won't stop people from liking it. Oh and as for over-rated?

Yeah just because you don't like something doesn't make it "over-rated", this has to be the most abused term I've ever seen used. Why do you care if people like DBZ? Let people like what they like! No one is obligated to think the way that you do or dislike what you dislike.

 

Me personally, I don't care what your reasons are for disliking DBZ are, you can dislike it all you like. I found the series fun and that's good enough for me. Have a problem with that? Too damn bad! To put it bluntly nobody cares if you don't like Dragonball Z and nobody cares that you don't like the fight scene. What everyone does have a problem with is that you've been using it as an opportunity to whine about the fandom making comparisons to DBZ and that you've been trying to force your opinion on DBZ down everybody's throat.

 

This is basically your argument: "Everyone is comparing that fight scene to Dragonball Z!! I don't like Dragonball Z guys!! Stop liking it!! Stop having fun!!"

 

Stop your petty whining and let everyone have their fun. All you're doing is being annoying.

I wasn't the only one who considered DBZ the most overrated thing on Earth: http://www.themanime.org/viewreview.php?id=245

In that review, reviewer Carlos Ross considered it a mediocre anime for all the reasons I've described.  To him, it's nothing but build up to nearly non-existent fighting, and characters getting murdered and disposed of over and over again.  There's almost no emphasis on story, the fights dragged for too long and lacked variety, and the reason for all of those problems is because it's a darker sequel to what was originally a comedy.

Now, compare that to Tim Jones' review of Classic Dragon Ball: http://www.themanime.org/viewreview.php?id=565  He considered the original series superior, because up until DBZ that series lacked many of the problems its sequel had.  Why?  Because it was the  original.  It came before DBZ and was the first series to have ever been written and developed.  Its fights were shorter and had more variety, and the numerous characters spent more time actually developing as characters than getting brutally murdered too frequently and repeatedly.

And, as expected from originals, it was far superior to its crappy sequel series, which again is nothing but repetitive, draggy battles and characters getting violently murdered.

I wasn't the only one who considered DBZ the most overrated thing on Earth: http://www.themanime.org/viewreview.php?id=245

 

In that review, reviewer Carlos Ross considered it a mediocre anime for all the reasons I've described.  To him, it's nothing but build up to nearly non-existent fighting, and characters getting murdered and disposed of over and over again.  There's almost no emphasis on story, the fights dragged for too long and lacked variety, and the reason for all of those problems is because it's a darker sequel to what was originally a comedy.

 

Now, compare that to Tim Jones' review of Classic Dragon Ball: http://www.themanime.org/viewreview.php?id=565  He considered the original series superior, because up until DBZ that series lacked many of the problems its sequel had.  Why?  Because it was the  original.  It came before DBZ and was the first series to have ever been written and developed.  Its fights were shorter and had more variety, and the numerous characters spent more time actually developing as characters than getting brutally murdered too frequently and repeatedly.

 

And, as expected from originals, it was far superior to its crappy sequel series, which again is nothing but repetitive, draggy battles and characters getting violently murdered.

I think you missed what I said in my first post. I don't care what other people think about Dragonball Z. I found the series fun and I enjoyed it, that's good enough for me. That's all I care about: If I enjoy it. Exactly what were you trying to prove with this post? That other people besides you disliked Dragonball Z? Good for them. The opinions of other people don't affect whether I enjoy something or not nor do they make your statement that "DragonBall Z is a bad show" a fact, it's still just an opinion.