Neo_Shiron

I liked Chrysalis until they started to trash her as an insane maniac. Until she lost her hive, you could have always seen her actions as some sort of “caring for her species“, even if her thinking was messed up. I would have prefered some sort of redemption, where she finally accepts the change and gets back to her hive. Sadly, even season 9 kept her and the legion of doom as evil instead of making them good or at least neutral at the end. For Mean Twilight; she had so much potential. If she would have kept the mean 6 together, we could have had an Harmony vs Chaos arc with the mane 6 vs their evil counterparts. So from the potential, I'd say Mean Twilight and from what we got, Chrysalis😊

Maybe but they could have done it different. I mean the "Equestria had never been as peaceful as now" comment was kind of messed up with one or two "wold is going to end" problem each season (maybe year for Equestria?) The way the show did starting from season 1, Twilight's missing was over when she founded her school (learning about friendship, helping with friendship problems, teaching about friendship). The whole "Twilight, you're going to become the ruler" was too fast and kind of messed up her whole life. She just founded a school and was able to fit everything (leading a school, being a princess, helping others and her private life) together and after less than a year, she again has to change her whole life and give up her school and life. It's just my opinion, but it would have been better if Twilight would have rejected the crown at the end of season 9 because her friends were more important to her than ruling Equestria. We all know that Twilight was never able to say "no" to Celestia and that would have shown that she actually grew from a needy student to an independent pony/princess.

I never continued season 9 (didn't like the retirement plot) but I'll never stopp watching the older seasons :3

tbh, it would be interesing to see a Celestia vs Tree of Harmony battle. Celestia - Has more than 1000 years of knowledge (her own and of every event/book/movie... she learned of) - Is a sentient being for over 1000 years - Had fought many battles - Used the Elements of Harmony - Never fell victim to despair or any other dark alicorn trigger despite many traumas - Can use many spells, including dark magic Tree of Harmony (I just call her Treelight now) - Has the knowledge of way over 1000 years (of all of Equestria and maybe beyond) -> Yes, I believe the tree is older than Starswirl. Their "seed" might have been a powerup, but they didn't create the tree of harmony (continuity/plot error) - Just became a sentient being a few years (?) ago - Powerful enough to defeat a dark alicorn, a chaos god and a powered up Tirek with almost all the magic of Equestria - Uses powerful holy magic - Grows stronger and stronger the more friendship, love and harmony are spreading - Needs (or needed?) the Elements of Harmony to survive Treelight chose Twilight Sparkle as her avatar, so it's likely that she also is a strategist, just like the real Twilight. However, Twilight was Celestia's student and Celestia ruled for over 1000 years, so it might be a tie Strategist: 1:1 That's a difficult one. Treelight's weakness might be first; the Elements. Removing them would weaken her. I think even her later form will soner or later create new forms for the Elements and future bearers. Her second "weakness" is Equestria itself; only if there is harmony, love and friendship she will be powered up. However, since we're talking about real Celestia vs Treelight, it's very likely that a non-corrupted/evil Celestia would never ever harm her supjects. Celestia has the power of the sun, dark magic and who knows what else. (Most likely all the spells created by ponies and other creatures she was able to talk to and/or study. Without a plot weakness, it's very difficult to tell how powerful she actually is, so just to be safe, another tie with a possible victory for Treelight as soon as there is harmony, love and friendship all around the world Magical Power 2:2 Know it's getting interesting with many speculation. Assuming that Celestia and Luna had been real children (not 100 years old children) and maybe 10 years old, we can say that Celestia is at least around 1018 years old. (Just because Starswirl mentioned that Celestia still owns him some homework or similar. So when he disappeared, Celestia might have been a teenager. So I just say 18 years old) So she has her life expirience and the wisdom of 1018 years and all the knowledge of Equestria and the people she met over that time, books she read and everything else Treelight, from what we can assume, has the whole knowledge of way over 1000 years from every place where her roots/magic is. So from the whole knowledge level, Treelight now takes the lead Knowledge 3:2 A quick victory for Celestia. She is a a living being with self-awareness since she was able to think. A sentient being from her birth. Treelight just became sentient thanks to Twilight and the mane 6. We don't know how Treelight would react but for anytime soon, her newfound self-awareness is weak Self-Awareness/Sentience 3:3 Not sure how to handle this one but I'll try my best. Celestia has many different kind of attacks he can use. She has the strength of earth ponies, the agility of pegasi and a superior unicorn/alicorn magic. She can use spells with her horn (like levitation), spells with words (magic formulars that don't need concentration) and most likely also potions. So we can assume that she can many elements (including darkness and corruption) as well as supporting magic and banishing magic with three different ways of doing so (horn, chanting, potion). Moreover, she can use artifacts. She would be fast enough to avoit Treelight's roots while attacking her with different kind of spells. Maybe dark magic could have a stronger effect of Treelight? Treelight herself doesn't have a physical form but the tree itself can acts as a body with Equestria wide roots. As a tree, Treelight can neither use artifacts (except of the Elements of Harmony as her fruits) nor potions. Her astral body might be able to use spokel spells. Moreover, she is a master of holy magic powerful enough to defeat a dark alicorn, a chaos god (?) and other enemies. The results are either banishing, killing or petrification. However, all enemies had been evil and/or corrupted by something evil. So would the "magic of friendship(harmony" even have any effect on Celestia? On the show's Celestia, it wouldn't but on the mirror world evil Celestia. However, with evil mirror Celestia, all the other topics would be different, too so it wouldn't actually count. Knowledge on magic 4:3 (victory for Celestia) and 3:4 (victory for Treelight vs. evil mirror Celestia) The main problems in this battle are the following: 1) Both, Celestia and Treelight are good characters/heroes. Treelight's magic might now even affect Celestia, even if Treelight would be way more powerful. 2) Since they both never had beel able to show everything they can do, we just don't know their limits...if they even have one With a real body (not just a tree) and more time to learn about being sentient, Treelight would become an overpowered creature. However, if her limit would lie on using only holy magic, Celestia would still win since good alicorns are most likely immune to holy magic since they act as the embodiment of harmony However, all of this is just a theory, so I could be completely wrong and Treelight is more powerful At least for me, I'll prefer to think that Celestia would win Sadly (or luckily), we'll never know (another wall of text for a theory. yep, I'm just like Twilight)

and the whole planet lol, now I have to think about that one pic of Luna smashing the moon on someone XD

I'd say Celestia with max power is the most powerful creature in Equestria. We never really saw her with 100% and the "lost" battles were more or less because of the "mane 6 to the rescue" plot. So for story telling, she had to be shown weak while for story canon I think she held back to slowly teaching her ponies to fight for themselves. Since Celestia defended Equestria for 1000 years, we can assume that she fought tons of villains and had a lot of time to master her magic to anything beyond unicorn possibilities. Since we don't know Celestia's true power, we don't know if/how she can counter timetravel spells (Starlight) or chaos magic. However, even if Starlight's (fake?) timelines had been very messed up, we at least can assume that Celestia was able to defeat every single villain up to season 4, since we saw a Tirek timeline. Means, she defeated Nightmare Moon, Discord and Chrysalis in that timeline. The wasteland could have either been the Tirek timeline, a different villain or even a "Starlight's manipulation of time killed everyone" timeline like in Star Trek TNG (last two episodes). Number 2 would be Daybreaker, followed by Discord and Twilight. Luna is not on this list, because she didn't have enough time to train/master all her possibilities like Celestia during those 1000 years Tirek is a special case. He is weak without his magic sucking, but if he actually manages to get Celestia's magic, he might become even more powerful. Starlight is another special case; she can timetravel and control others, but we don't know how Celestia would deal with it or if those spells have any effect on her. I mean, Celestia knew about the time travel spell but didn't bother to hid/destroy any traces of it (I'd at least hide it at a secret place, with many locks so that no one can get it) Discord is the last special case worth mentioning. His chaos magic is very powerful, but he is mostly using tricks and mind games. Not sure how he would fight in a real battle. The most powerful being could be the tree of harmony. However, it never fought against anyone (can't really call the killing of the fake 6 a battle) and we don't know if alicorn magic is stronger or weaker than the Elements of Harmony

For a little project I have planned, I try to collect some information about unicorns. First: What are the most basic/powerful spells unicorns can use to protect themself? So far I have the following Levitation Magic Shield Teleportation Blaster/Beam attack Second: How many different kinds of horns did we see in G4? I rememer the following Basic Horn Long Horns Curved backwards (Mistmane and her japanese like town) See through (crystal like) horns Do you remember other canon horn forms (broken doesn't count) or fitting spells? Official books also count Thanks for the help😊

I guess the question shouldn't be "who knew about it" but more like "who preferred to accept the lie". With all the stuff they had to prepare their lies (those who came up with the lie, those who planned and built it and those who controlled it), it very likely that many were assuming that the royals were lying. However, they prefered to accept the lie than losing hope and gicing in to depression like the unicorns. I mean, we all saw how depressed the unicorns had been. They just waited for their deaths/exctinction. The pegasi would also have become way more depressed/angry, so I think they preferred false hope over a horrible truth. So in short, I think those who were smart knew/assumed that the royals had been lying but preferred to keep their false hope. The children believed it