How do you accept where the show went?

[GhostPony750 959]

Fanservice usually kills the characters, by making them doing weird things that they would usually not do if we follow common sense. For a guy like me who characters are uberly important, fanservice destroy a show.

Because fans are not all good in doing character developpement.

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[cuteycindyhoney 13,308]

I accepted the changes with open arms. Twilight's ascension was everything  hoped for and more. Princess Twilight has grown as a character, but kept the personality I have grown to love. I am looking forward to season 5 with eager excitement. Princess Twilight and her trusted friendship advisers will do great things together! 

[Juniper Moon 11]

 

 

The writers decided to make Twilight ridiculously humble, otherwise they'd risk her becoming unlikable. I actually would've found her to be a lot "deeper" if they didn't decide to go that route. Maybe if they showed a glimpse of her checking her sexay princess wings out in the mirror or something like that. That would both be humorous and hint to the audience that "maybe" there's a part of Twilight that does secretly indulge in a smidgeon of pride, and that there's nothing wrong with doing it. Besides who wouldn't have a smidgeon of pride? Even the most humble people must know that they're humble. I want to see what she's really like when no one's looking.

 

Yes! Yes! Yes!  When the day's over and she kicks off her little princess shoes, it would be nice to see her be herself, and let us know that the "real" Twilight is still in there.

[Wild Star 141]

Since last year I've been really confused with all the support that twilight's coronation got. I mean I assumed the show was dead once  that happened but it just got more popular. do people really like the new show? I just don't understand how people can enjoy it anymore. So i need help in seeing it from there POV. So far i can't figure it out, so i thought coming here and asking around would help me get answers. I just want to enjoy the show again and if coming to grips with what happened is necessary then i want to know how other people where able to push through to liking it again. Thank you. 

well, have you been watching the show after that at all? i guess i still enjoy it because its still the same show anyway, it has the same "feel." other "kids" shows (IE, awesome shows) that i have loved i gave up on because either they were bought by terrible companies that changed everything about them, or because the writers got lazy. or both. (coughcoughArthurcoughcough) but its still the same show, with pretty much everything we as bronies love about it. except for what we don't.

 

but than again, who doesn't like complaining?

Yes! Yes! Yes!  When the day's over and she kicks off her little princess shoes, it would be nice to see her be herself, and let us know that the "real" Twilight is still in there.

aah, yes, that would have been so much better than her "humbleness."

 

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im just re posting this because it would have been better writing and im sure the writers look on here so hopefully they will get the hint *blink* what?

[Forlong 1,726]

What is depth, exactly? Depth is a pretty subjective thing, and I don't find that she's that deep. Twilight is a dynamic character, sure, but that doesn't make her deep.

Actually, that's exactly what character depth is.

 

 

She's exactly what she is on the front cover; there's hardly any hidden traits in her. Compare her to the rest of the mane 6 for example. Pinkie clearly has insecurities hidden behind her constant smile. Rarity, a pony born into a painfully average ponyville family, adopted a fake posh accent and mannerisms to the point that its ingrained in her (like Gatsby from The Great Gatsby). Fluttershy's got unexpressed rage issues. Applejack has basically had to grow up immediately and take charge of the family and farm in the abscence of her parents. Rainbow Dash's strong ego hides her insecurities.

Funny how you mention things they've already gotten over.

 

 

Character depth is supposed to make a character feel more real and believable. What is believable about Twilight's personality?

She was worried that a new title she was granted amounts to nothing.  She still panics over little things.  She blows problems out of proportion.  Were we watching the same show?

 

 

The writers decided to make Twilight ridiculously humble,

She was always humble.

 

 

Maybe if they showed a glimpse of her checking her sexay princess wings out in the mirror or something like that.

This isn't Rarity we're talking about.

 

 

Another thing, about character development. Characters are supposed to develop slowly.

At least one year, in universe, passed.  More likely two.  Twilight is also incredibly smart and will learn quickly.

 

You complain about how Twilight is a lesser character, but don't show much knowledge about her character.  Correct knowledge.

 

Fanservice usually kills the characters, by making them doing weird things that they would usually not do if we follow common sense. For a guy like me who characters are uberly important, fanservice destroy a show.

Find proof that all decitions they made regarding season 4 or even one thing in season 4 was because of the fans.

 

You see, you can't.  Because it's horse-apples.  News flash, these writers happen to be smart people.  Maybe they just decided to take the show in a direction that some fans like.  In fact, I have two pieces of evidence that proves that the writers are conducting NO fanservice.

 

1. The Cutie Mark Chronicles hypes up Rainbow Dash's cutie mark story.  This was something the fans wanted, but was written before they even knew the show had fans.
2. Despite demands from fans, they did not undo Alicorn Princess Twilight Sparkle.

I'll also be able to add them not retconning the destruction of Twilight's house, despite people making a petition to save a fictional tree.  No, they are not doing anything just to please the fanbase.  People who complained up and down about seasons 3 and 4 are still going to watch season 5.  Why should they care what we think?

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[Sugar Pea 2,682]

A TON of people did NOT like her coronation.   
I loved the episode, as a matter of fact....but it was pretty rushed. I accepted it pretty well...I was so excited. xD
 

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[Cassafrass 249]

Well... for me, I just do, I guess. I actually love where the show is going, and enjoy Twilicorn very much! She's the same Twilight we know and love, just with new princess responsibilities to go with her new wings.

[Feather Grass 312]

I don't mind the changes (infact I welcome them). True I still don't like twilicorn's castle.

[LZRD WZRD 1,929]

 

Seriously? She got a pair of wings and basically a new job. How has that alone ruined the show? I got into this after season 3, so I wasn't around for this controversy. However, Twilight's ascension to the throne has never bothered me in the slightest. I honestly don't see how it would ruin the show for anyone and if it did then I'm sorry but that's petty and shows you really have no appreciation for the writing and production values of season 4. Please, don't be ridiculous.

[crazitaco 596]

Actually, that's exactly what character depth is.

 

Funny how you mention things they've already gotten over.

 

She was worried that a new title she was granted amounts to nothing.  She still panics over little things.  She blows problems out of proportion.  Were we watching the same show?

 

She was always humble.

 

This isn't Rarity we're talking about.

 

At least one year, in universe, passed.  More likely two.  Twilight is also incredibly smart and will learn quickly.

 

You complain about how Twilight is a lesser character, but don't show much knowledge about her character.  Correct knowledge.

 

Find proof that all decitions they made regarding season 4 or even one thing in season 4 was because of the fans.

 

You see, you can't.  Because it's horse-apples.  News flash, these writers happen to be smart people.  Maybe they just decided to take the show in a direction that some fans like.  In fact, I have two pieces of evidence that proves that the writers are conducting NO fanservice.

• The Cutie Mark Chronicles hypes up Rainbow Dash's cutie mark story.  This was something the fans wanted, but was written before they even knew the show had fans.
• Despite demands from fans, they did not undo Alicorn Princess Twilight Sparkle.

I'll also be able to add them not retconning the destruction of Twilight's house, despite people making a petition to save a fictional tree.  No, they are not doing anything just to please the fanbase.  People who complained up and down about seasons 3 and 4 are still going to watch season 5.  Why should they care what we think?

 

1. A dynamic character is simply a character that changes (be it good or bad change). Twilight has indeed changed. A deep character does not have to change, they just have to be well developed or well thought out from many different angles. These two things go hand in hand, but are not the same.

 

2. They haven't completely gotten over these things, otherwise they wouldn't still show occasional moments of them. Fluttershy apparently still has rage issues considering she went hulk in power ponies. Rainbow Dash has less of an ego, but its still there. Pinkie still freaks out when she feels unloved. Applejack still has struggles basically being the leader of the family.

 

3. That's the only believable part of her. The rest of her is the pony equivalent of Jesus. And its hardly a downside, seeing as even Jesus worried about stuff.  She's never in the wrong.

 

4. Two years is enough time to work out maybe a few issues at most. So within two years she's completely gotten rid of pretty much all the bad things about her. Other than the worrying (which has been justified a couple times in the past when her hunches turned out to be right) what other problems does she have? They keep addressing her worrying/insecurity problem constantly and she still hasn't learned her lesson yet. Why does she keep relearning this lesson when all the other times it took her one episode max? And when she does finally get rid of her worrying problem, will she be 100% perfect?

 

5. Okay, let me rephrase it then. The writers are over emphasizing her humility. They had her being humble in Trixies' first appearance, and it made sense because it was part of the moral. But this season, good lord. How many times do we need to be reminded that she doesn't think she's better than everypony else? They must've said it like 5 times.

 

6. Okay....I was sorta kidding with that one to be honest. But still, I want to see what she's like completely separate from the rest of the cast. We need to have a real moment with her, that shows more insight into her "depth." They always show the inside of the other mane six's heads, so why not Twilight? I would love to see some more flaws in her. But until then, my opinion of her still stands.

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[Gary S. 102]

Actually i don't mind Twilight's promotion and all. It just feels that Twilight is going to save the sorry flanks of the other princesses again and again. I wouldn't call her a Mary Sue, but she's well on the way to be the chosen one.

Meh, maybe i'm not enough Twilight fan for this.

[DryGuy84 (Inactive) 927]

So you agree then, she HAS changed her personality.

I don't like the changes because I think they make her less interesting/fun. I just don't enjoy seeing her try to be perfect. That is my personal opinion, and I rest my case.

 

Edit: Another thing, the "dorkyness" or booksmartness is merely ONE aspect of her personality, not her whole personality. I have noticed these occasional moments like those you pointed out and rejoiced at them because they reminded me of old school twilight that I did love. But still, think about how often moments like these actually occur. Its like the writers merely throw them in as if to say "Oh yeah we almost forgot, look how much she's still the same!" These moments never had to be inserted into the story to keep her interesting, they would just happen under natural circumstances.

 

That change to her personality is character growth. She generally on edge, grumpy, and cynical even towards her friends, but over the seasons she's bonded with them, and knows that they usually still are trying to help. Is she still snarky? Not really, but as I said it's natural character growth. Hell, ALL of the Mane 6 and Spike have gotten more patient, even the CMC have gotten more patient. That's pretty much all that's changed.

[Forlong 1,726]

@@crazitaco

 

As I said, you don't seem to understand Twilight as a character.  You claim that Twilight's humility in season 4 isn't in character, but she's always been humble (Boast Busters).  You claim that she doesn't have the flaws of previous seasons, but she still over-plans (Princess Twilight Sparkle), obsesses over books (Castle-Mania, Pinkie Pride, Testing, Testing, 1, 2, 3), and loses it when things don't go as planned (Three's a Crowd, Inspiration Manifestation, Twilight's Kingdom).  Are these flaws lesser than they were in the past?  Sure.  That's what happens.

[BionicBrony 385]

I think I may be able to answer this topic, for I felt the same way when I first say it.

There is no doubt the finale of season 3 was rushed, barely did the job, and made her into a pricness. Yet it should be noted it wasn't as though they moved her into Canterlot and said 'no, no more Ponyville!' The entirety of her character stayed realitvly simple and the same as the previous seasons. Twilight grew wigns and suddenly was a princess.

There were multiple oppurtunities for characters to acknowledge her status and they did not. It did not change her.

The changte you are speaking of is the simple evolution of the characters overtime.

SHOWTIME SYNDROME: a term I use to describe the evolution of a show from the beginning to the present. Spongebob is a good example as ever. Spongebob has become more and more about the real slice of life things that htey must deal with, with an occasional fantasy element. However, many plots in the show are tailored to the everday acts they decide to do, like play golf or befriend a neighboor. It is a long cry from the Campire Song Song and the days where all Spongebob wanted was to go to work and pass his drivers test. Now he worries about so many things I could list them for a few pages.

But do people boycott and degrade this for the change? No. It is nessecary that all shows must evolve and change to the audience.

There is no doubt the show has acknowledged thier brony audience with the PonyBallZ showdown in teh finale, and yet some call that the best scene of the show.

Your opinion is a valuded one. After all, where is the days of Pinkie going crazy over being left behind, or Rainbow Dash worrying over if she was good enough? Twilight fixing her spells?

Wait a second, those are still present!

The characters are not exactly becoming what Spongebob has. They are, at heart and on the outside, the same ponies we fell in love with in the season 1 primere. IT wasn't as though they changed their names and became gangsters.

I understand what you are saying and I appreciate you input, but you ahve to undersatnd the change you're speaking of is so gradual it takes a while to process. Please note that this is not exactly a one-show thing. This happens to all shows past their season 2.

Twilight is still Twilight, just now a princess and has a little place to call home. Pinkie is sitll a party pony. Rainbow is still egotistical. Applejack is still hardworking. Rarity still loves fashion. Fluttershy is still a little shy. Everypony staied the same.

Thank you for your time.