Should Princess Cadance take in an apprentice?

[ManaMinori 4,146]

First of all, do you guys think that another pony apprenticeship is necessary? Was Celestia mentoring Twilight enough, or should the other princesses get a chance to become mentors to other ponies? We already saw that in "Twilight Time", Twi was stepping into the role of becoming a real mentor, herself, to the CMC ad their classmates. But what about Princess Luna and Cadance? Could it possible develop their characters more if allowed the responsibility to train other ponies in their line of work? Could it develop the plot more?

 

 Say, for instance, with as many times as we've seen the various royal kingdoms under threat (whether Canterlot or the Crystal empire), there would have to be an instance in which the Mane 6 weren't available to help defend it- perhaps being busy trying to handle another threat elsewhere. In "Princess Twilight" part 1, we've seen how easily the royal princess' could be kidnapped and held hostage in the Everfree forest. Leaving Twilight to try and rectify the situation and command Luna and Celestia's royal guards, though the kingdom was not her own, but she likely had full authority to, being Celestia's trusted student. 

 

Which princess do you think could be more likely to take on an apprentice, like Celestia did, to train in case the Mane 6 weren't on hand...er...hoof.... to protect and serve? Or if something were to happen to them, and the kingdom needed someone to run it in their absence? Who would the royal guards take their orders from?

 

I could see Cadance taking Lovestruck under her wing, for starters. Her Gameloft description says that she's filled with the spirit of love, and that she tries to fill everypony with love in their hearts (which would make her compatible in talent with Cadance). She shares Twilight's design (pre-alicorn transformation), and her cutie mark is a bow and arrow with hearts around it, suggesting that she takes on a Cupid-like role. Perfect fit as a student for Cadance, I'd say.

 

[M'aiq the Liar 5,804]

It would be awesome to see in works like comics and stories. Or even its own spin off show, but I think to really get a good character growth, and explore more of Lovestruck as a person, and really see her grow and advance, and become basically the "back up" to the mane 6, she'd need her own piece of media, as I feel like latching her onto the current show would just make it feel kinda pointless, and just clutter up the royal space that much more. Because in order to really have her be more than just cadance's apprentice, we'd have to spend a fair amount of time with her.

 

But even if they don't spend time on her, it would be neat to see that the other royal members are setting up the future of their empires, and that Super Twilight and friends aren't the end all to security issues.

[mars 4,863]

I didn't know I wanted this until I saw this thread. I'd LOVE for Cadance to get an apprentice! Perhaps Twilight Sparkle could get jealous over the new student, and learn a lesson about it somehow...?

[ManaMinori 4,146]

I didn't know I wanted this until I saw this thread. I'd LOVE for Cadance to get an apprentice! Perhaps Twilight Sparkle could get jealous over the new student, and learn a lesson about it somehow...?

I can't imagine why Twi would be jealous over Cadance's new student, if she were to take one under her wing. Firstly, Twi seems to have a closer student/mentor relationship with Celestia, who she studied years under, and she just doesn't seem to have that kind of relationship with Cadance- who was her babysitter, and now sister-in-law; not her mentor. Would the jealousy stem from Twi just not being able to spend as much time as Cadance as she'd like to, and this new student of Cadance's being able to do just that? That's the only reason I can think of that would lead to such a situation.

[mars 4,863]

I can't imagine why Twi would be jealous over Cadance's new student, if she were to take one under her wing. Firstly, Twi seems to have a closer student/mentor relationship with Celestia, who she studied years under, and she just doesn't seem to have that kind of relationship with Cadance- who was her babysitter, and now sister-in-law; not her mentor. Would the jealousy stem from Twi just not being able to spend as much time as Cadance as she'd like to, and this new student of Cadance's being able to do just that? That's the only reason I can think of that would lead to such a situation.

 

I'm thinking it would be over the fact that this new student is able to get more time with Cadance while Twilight isn't able to. Perhaps not jealousy, but I think she'd be really bittersweet because she used to spend time with Cadance all the time, and now she never gets to do that while someone else gets to. Haha, my thinking is all over the place right now. Sorry if I don't make any sense.

[ManaMinori 4,146]

I'm thinking it would be over the fact that this new student is able to get more time with Cadance while Twilight isn't able to. Perhaps not jealousy, but I think she'd be really bittersweet because she used to spend time with Cadance all the time, and now she never gets to do that while someone else gets to. Haha, my thinking is all over the place right now. Sorry if I don't make any sense.

That's fine. Hm. I feel like that'd make for a rather nice episode; especially considering that Twilight has been tasked to keep saving Equestria with her friends, and now has hew own kingdom to run. It'd be hard for Twi and Cadance to sync up their schedules to get an off day and spend time with each other, all things considering; so when Twi finally manages to, she learns that Cadance doesn't have an off day; or got her dates mixed up, and learns that Cadance is busy trying to guide her new apprentice, Lovestruck, in her hoofsteps, and it's Twi who's in the way. It'd make a good follow-up to "Three's a Crowd", I think.

[Adorkable 2,737]

WOW!

 

This is a very interesting topic! ^^ (\

 

I don't know about Cadence, I would have nothing against her doing so, but I feel maybe it would be a better idea if said princess would have taken on adulthood before taking on an apprentice.

 

Just so Cadence and Twilight would have more time to "master" their princess duties and such before taking on such a responsibility.

 

As for Luna, I think it would be a different story.

[TeaCrumpet 27]

Hmm, mentoring is an odd thing for MLP, sine both Twilight and Sunset were hoof picked due to prophecy more than just their talent. So honestly it’s really hard to say since right now outside of prophecy we really haven’t seen the princess teaching ponies like that. If were simply looking for ponies that could work as second tier or supports for Twi and her friendship council that would also give Luna and Cadence someone to train and maybe grow their characters, the I would have to go with Trixie for Luna and Cadence could have Love-struck or maybe a crystal pony possible since Cadence was originally a Pegasus and might feel more in tune with a non-unicorn. 

 

I do have to agree that this type of story would be best served in the non-TV media since there very little room with the mane 6 normally getting at least 2 if not 3 episodes per season as well as one ep allotted to the CMC with one group one and at least 2 spike episode, a story like this simply would not have the time to get fleshed out properly in the TV series. The comics and books however, oh lord I think they could have a field day with a short spin – off series about the new students to the princesses.

 

Since everyone seems to be set with Love-struck for Cadence, I purpose the more common yet still best possible combo, Luna and The Great and Powerful Trixie.

 

While it’s a popular fan trope, Luna and Trixie really do have a lot in common and frankly I think would have great chemistry.  From the fact that Trixie like Luna has an arc based around being ostracize, revenge and repent while not exact but similar enough to Luna that those two could bond over the feeling of not being good enough and creating a new path from that repent.

 

Trixie’s magic is also something that I think under Luna could be examined and frankly become very powerful force. We know that she seems to be skilled in stage magic which is based off of charms, illusions and things of that nature. It really would not be all that surprising that Luna specialty within magic would be these schools since normally moon, night, darkness and sometimes dream related power fall within these schools.

 

Add to the fact their personalities would be hilarious to be put together. If they are dealing with comic Luna, her antics are just as hammy as Trixie’s, so honestly they would be a great pair to see for just the humor alone. 

[Pastel 7,630]

This is a very interesting idea!

 

But Lovestruck? I think introducing an all new pony would be a better idea, a pony a bit like Twilight. (and why not a colt/stallion).

[Lunar Umbra 14]

think of it this way Celestia and Luna have been around for thousands of years and presumably had many great apprentices in that time span or it could be they took in ones with Alicorn potential.

 

I personally think there are two types of alicorns those who are made by discovering a new type of magic and transformed by another Alicorn such as twilight and cadence (read the books cadence used to be a Pegasus) these are here in case the immortal sisters should fall but these other lesser alicorns age as we see with cadence.

 

The second kind include Celestia and Luna who have much more power than the other kind and where most likely born/created/always an Alicorn and a much more powerful one at that it is even possible they where gods that decided to descend to Equistra in mortal form in order to rid the place of an evil probably Sombra as they did not mention using the elements against him and in the s4 opener we see that they got these while trying to defeat discord.

 

So it is likely only the immortal alicorns can guide and create mortal alicorns perhaps luna is just waiting for a student with Alicorn potential or perhaps Celestia does not trust her with one yet. maybe she's already looking that's why she seems to be keeping tabs on equistra's youth through her dream walking (scootalo, sweetie bell).

[ManaMinori 4,146]

This is a very interesting idea!

 

But Lovestruck? I think introducing an all new pony would be a better idea, a pony a bit like Twilight. (and why not a colt/stallion).

why do you want the apprentice to be like Twilight, when we've already seen Twilight's character grow? It would basically be a repeat of following her development through the show; just under Cadance, rather than Celestia

 

why not a colt, you say? It's Hasbro.  Because princesses!

[Pastel 7,630]

why do you want the apprentice to be like Twilight, when we've already seen Twilight's character grow? It would basically be a repeat of following her development through the show; just under Cadance, rather than Celestia

 

Mmh you're right! Somepony different from her then.

[ManaMinori 4,146]

Mmh you're right! Somepony different from her then.

Which is why I suggested Lovestruck. Since her abilities are similar to Cadance's, if anything were to happen to her, it would be Lovestruck who could step up and renew the spirit of love and unity in the empire's ponies, which would power the crystal heart in order to protect the empire from danger.

[TeaCrumpet 27]

Which is why I suggested Lovestruck. Since her abilities are similar to Cadance's, if anything were to happen to her, it would be Lovestruck who could step up and renew the spirit of love and unity in the empire's ponies, which would power the crystal heart in order to protect the empire from danger.

 

Since the Crystal Empire power is different, they could very well have Lovestruck and a new group of friends explore the powers of love and other elements of emotion? that could power the crystal heart since canon wise we have learned from the two sisters journal that the crystal was originally protected by a princess and a dragon. (cue possible joining of G1 weatherby and other elements of emotion or something or other to help lovestruck on her journey)

Edited June 10, 2014 by TeaCrumpet

[Zekromic 1,054]

I would LOVE Luna and Cadance having an apprentice each, it would open some growth for them. It would be specially fun with Luna, imagining her having a hard time with an apprentice, only to learn that the teacher also learns from the students 

[Nulln 755]

I always figured Celestia was just a teacher at a school for gifted unicorns along with being a princess, and Twilight was just her star pupil so she gave her extra teaching.

 

As far as Cadence goes, I have a feeling she'll have a child, and then she really wouldn't need an apprentice.

[Ashen Pathfinder 16,163]

My personal head canon with Luna is that Trixie is her apprentice...maybe akin to a secret apprentice ala Starkiller & Darth Vader.

 

On the matter of actual apprentices, I think with Cadence it might be an issue of age & experience. Plus there are no guarantees she'll be like Celestia & Luna and live for thousands of years.

[LZRD WZRD 1,929]

No, but Twilight should get an apprentice! Then they can marry Flash Sentry, turn to the dark side and then Twilight can mutilate them while Flash loses the will to live

[TeaCrumpet 27]

I always figured Celestia was just a teacher at a school for gifted unicorns along with being a princess, and Twilight was just her star pupil so she gave her extra teaching.

 

Comic wise it seems she founded the school for gifted unicorns but she is not a full teacher. Outside of Sunset and Twlights there have not been any indication that she has taught anyone else. 

 

 

My personal head canon with Luna is that Trixie is her apprentice...maybe akin to a secret apprentice ala Starkiller & Darth Vader.

 

On the matter of actual apprentices, I think with Cadence it might be an issue of age & experience. Plus there are no guarantees she'll be like Celestia & Luna and live for thousands of years.

 

Hmmm, my only question would be when in the show canon would they have met and formed this relationship? The comics takes care of this rather easy since Trixie gave Luna some rather heartfelt words of encouragement in the Nightmararity arc, but the show has not had them together yet, so that might be a bit of an issue if she just randomly was found out might come off as odd, but it is do able.

 

I'm on the fence about Skyla since on one hoof I think adding a born alicorn to MLP would be interesting since it would force Celestia and Luna to explain alicorn genetics and the fact that the journal more or less alludes that there are more alicorns out there, so with Skyla it might mean we get some very profound information about the differences of born v.s. ascended alicorns.     

 

However for all that information is means we kind of kill the chance for Cadence and Shinning to have more interesting fun young adult plots, since once their parents there going to fall into the adult and boring plots of we have a kid now, which would really be unfortunate.

Edited June 11, 2014 by TeaCrumpet

[Pastel 7,630]

No, but Twilight should get an apprentice! Then they can marry Flash Sentry, turn to the dark side and then Twilight can mutilate them while Flash loses the will to live

The Cutie Mark Crusaders are already Twilight's students.

 

Edited June 11, 2014 by Blobulle

[Lunar Umbra 14]

The Cutie Mark Crusaders are already Twilight's students.

 

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No they are Luna's hopefuls that's why she was was scouting them (minus applebloom, earth pony filth!) (just kidding lol) in their respective epsiodes.

[ManaMinori 4,146]

No they are Luna's hopefuls that's why she was was scouting them (minus applebloom, earth pony filth!) (just kidding lol) in their respective epsiodes.

It didn't really seem like she was scouting them, to me. If Luna were to take somepony in to be a mentor to, why would it be some fillies who don't even know what they want to do in life, and have just working toward random things, until fairly recently? They're all over the place.

[Scootalove 10,689]

If Cadence has an interest in having an apprentice or student, then she should.

[Spinelspike 78]

We aren't really sure what Cadance's exact origins are, and we aren't completely sure on how strong her connection is to the crystal empire, so it would be nice to see maybe a true crystal pony become an apprentice to Cadence.

I think Luna has already started to become a bit of an apprentice to the CMC, as she seems to show strong fondness and connections to the younglings of Equestria, and has already helped Scootaloo and Sweetiebelle overcome their fears and nightmares. I'm pretty sure she will end up doing the same for Apple Bloom next season, so I'm perfectly okay with the CMC becoming sort of apprentices of Luna, as children are more prone and vulnerable to insecurity and nightmares, so Luna clearly shows a stronger connection and understanding towards them.

As far Twilight, she already is sort of a tutor and mentor to her friends. After all, she is the Princess of Friendship now, so it makes sense that she becomes a tutor towards her closest friends.

Honestly, I'd like Spike to take a more apprentice like role, either more seriously towards Twilight, or perhaps more towards Celestia, or even Discord (to give Discord something to do I guess). His origins are mysterious, so I think he was brought to be hatched by Twilight for a reason, and that he has yet to fulfil a bigger purpose.

[TeaCrumpet 27]

@ Luna Umbra

 

I have to side with Nightmare Muffin when it comes to the CMC. At the moment the girls have yet to show that they are connected to any great power nor have any of them shown any talents that Luna respectively could help them through private tutoring with. I think the reason Luna outside of plot device has taken an interest in these girls is due to their connect to the barriers ( there sisters, the CMC's happiness is something that is important to the overall wellness of keeping the barrier happy and healthy, thus this is Luna's way of helping keep the world balanced and happy.

 

@ Spinelspike

 

I can agree with the idea of a crystal pony being her apprentice over a unicorn, since if nothing else it would allow for further exploration of crystal pony magic and what have you.

 

I hold to my points on Luna and the CMC, so meh. Outside of dream help I don't really see the CMC becoming anything more unless there planning on having them become the new Mane 6 with Babs and her friends coming to ponyville and Luna being the princess they write too.

 

At this point I think Twi and her friends will simply be tutoring the world, so a private student really would not suit Twilight at this point in her princessdom nor life.

 

Ooo Spike growing his dragon magic would be an amazing arc for S5 onward since it shows that he is growing up and taking more charge in creating his own identity. I think Discord and Cel would be the best since he is part dragon, and the Spike and Cel comic was adorable as well as eye opening for spike and us fans in how Cel teaching method works, so I think between the two of them it would be a rather interesting arc and if nothing else, having Cel and Discord work together would make for some comic gold.