Hive King 2,001 June 17, 2014 Share June 17, 2014 In all honesty, that looks like he was changing positions rather than having his arms pinned down. But let's say you were right about the pinning of the arms. Does pinning someone down with magic prove he is still stronger? No. Even Twilight could do that with Spike pre-alicornation. Any unicorn could do that, actually. I mean, Tirek is larger and Discord is somewhat skinny and smaller. So it wold be easy for him just like it would be for a unicorn to do it on someone smaller. And one more thing, they still didn't BATTLE. All he did was pin him down! They still weren't fight at all. You're missing the point. The fact that Discord couldn't break free despite clearly being uncomfortable and afraid means that Tirek's magic surpassed his ability to teleport out or use his own telekinesis "Aren’t we the same? You know, aren’t you carrying the same mindset as I am? Just because you couldn’t bear to lose, you lost your precious partner! You really call yourself a true duelist? You’re the complete opposite of that!" -Weevil Underwood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Kurtis 636 June 17, 2014 Share June 17, 2014 You're missing the point. The fact that Discord couldn't break free despite clearly being uncomfortable and afraid means that Tirek's magic surpassed his ability to teleport out or use his own telekinesis Okay then. If G4 Tirek is supposedly stronger than Discord, then so is G1 Tirek. I mean, they aren't opposites or anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive King 2,001 June 17, 2014 Share June 17, 2014 Okay then. If G4 Tirek is supposedly stronger than Discord, then so is G1 Tirek. I mean, they aren't opposites or anything. They are completely different. One of them can absorb magic, another can't. One wants eternal night, the other wants to eat magic. One has a Rainbow of Darkness, another relies on no items. One of them towers over trees, the other doesn't 1 "Aren’t we the same? You know, aren’t you carrying the same mindset as I am? Just because you couldn’t bear to lose, you lost your precious partner! You really call yourself a true duelist? You’re the complete opposite of that!" -Weevil Underwood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Kurtis 636 June 17, 2014 Share June 17, 2014 (edited) They are completely different. One of them can absorb magic, another can't. One wants eternal night, the other wants to eat magic. One has a Rainbow of Darkness, another relies on no items. One of them towers over trees, the other doesn't G4 Tirek relies on stealing other people's magic, remember? And I know they have different priorities and all that stuff, but they cannot be opposites strength & size wise. Edited June 17, 2014 by 80s Pony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive King 2,001 June 17, 2014 Share June 17, 2014 G4 Tirek relies on stealing other people's magic, remember? And I know they have different priorities and all that stuff, but they cannot be opposites strength & size wise. I don't think magic is an item And what are you talking about? Tirek in G4 at Full Power was huge, towering over tree tops and buildings. G1 Tirek was only about, what, 14 feet tall at best? It's like comparing G1 Megatron with Michael Bay Megatron 1 "Aren’t we the same? You know, aren’t you carrying the same mindset as I am? Just because you couldn’t bear to lose, you lost your precious partner! You really call yourself a true duelist? You’re the complete opposite of that!" -Weevil Underwood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Kurtis 636 June 17, 2014 Share June 17, 2014 I don't think magic is an item And what are you talking about? Tirek in G4 at Full Power was huge, towering over tree tops and buildings. G1 Tirek was only about, what, 14 feet tall at best? It's like comparing G1 Megatron with Michael Bay Megatron I know it isn't an item, but he does rely on it, am I wrong? And don't forget G1 Tirek still has the rainbow of darkness, which is powerful enough to corrupt every inch of Pony Land. He can also transform anything into his own powerful minion with the rainbow, too. So I doubt this won't have any effect on G4 Tirek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive King 2,001 June 17, 2014 Share June 17, 2014 I know it isn't an item, but he does rely on it, am I wrong? And don't forget G1 Tirek still has the rainbow of darkness, which is powerful enough to corrupt every inch of Pony Land. He can also transform anything into his own powerful minion with the rainbow, too. So I doubt this won't have any effect on G4 Tirek. Actually, Tirek needed the Chariot to do anything note worthy. And G4 Tirek is smart, he'll just take the bag away 1 "Aren’t we the same? You know, aren’t you carrying the same mindset as I am? Just because you couldn’t bear to lose, you lost your precious partner! You really call yourself a true duelist? You’re the complete opposite of that!" -Weevil Underwood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Kurtis 636 June 17, 2014 Share June 17, 2014 Actually, Tirek needed the Chariot to do anything note worthy. And G4 Tirek is smart, he'll just take the bag away How? If G4 Tirek tries to steal it, all G1 Tirek has to do is merely open it and out goes the dark chaos turning everyone in sight into a slave and corrupting every inch of wherever they're in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive King 2,001 June 17, 2014 Share June 17, 2014 How? If G4 Tirek tries to steal it, all G1 Tirek has to do is merely open it and out goes the dark chaos turning everyone in sight into a slave and corrupting every inch of wherever they're in. Telekinesis to rip it away. Alternatively, just fire a huge laser and vaporize G1 Tirek 1 "Aren’t we the same? You know, aren’t you carrying the same mindset as I am? Just because you couldn’t bear to lose, you lost your precious partner! You really call yourself a true duelist? You’re the complete opposite of that!" -Weevil Underwood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Kurtis 636 June 17, 2014 Share June 17, 2014 Telekinesis to rip it away. Alternatively, just fire a huge laser and vaporize G1 Tirek Well, they don't really have to battle now, do they? Taking what I said earlier into consideration, all G1 Tirek has to do is open to sack. He can do that right from the start, and then G4 Tirek will be transformed into a slave. And as a bonus to G1 Tirek, (like I said before) every inch of wherever they're in will become corrupted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive King 2,001 June 17, 2014 Share June 17, 2014 Well, they don't really have to battle now, do they? Taking what I said earlier into consideration, all G1 Tirek has to do is open to sack. He can do that right from the start, and then G4 Tirek will be transformed into a slave. And as a bonus to G1 Tirek, (like I said before) every inch of wherever they're in will become corrupted. He's not fast enough too, if he was, he could have hit Scorpan while he flew at him "Aren’t we the same? You know, aren’t you carrying the same mindset as I am? Just because you couldn’t bear to lose, you lost your precious partner! You really call yourself a true duelist? You’re the complete opposite of that!" -Weevil Underwood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Kurtis 636 June 17, 2014 Share June 17, 2014 He's not fast enough too, if he was, he could have hit Scorpan while he flew at him You know we're talking about opening a sack here, right? All you have to do is... open it. I mean, how long does it take to open a sack? He sees G4 Tirek, so he'll simply open the sack. Again, it doesn't take long at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive King 2,001 June 17, 2014 Share June 17, 2014 You know we're talking about opening a sack here, right? All you have to do is... open it. I mean, how long does it take to open a sack? He sees G4 Tirek, so he'll simply open the sack. Again, it doesn't take long at all. Tirek could just eat the magic. The Rainbow of Darkness is rather sluggish to be honest 1 "Aren’t we the same? You know, aren’t you carrying the same mindset as I am? Just because you couldn’t bear to lose, you lost your precious partner! You really call yourself a true duelist? You’re the complete opposite of that!" -Weevil Underwood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Kurtis 636 June 17, 2014 Share June 17, 2014 Tirek could just eat the magic. The Rainbow of Darkness is rather sluggish to be honest The darkness is going to quickly spread around the whole land, it's not going to be a nice little small beam that will fit directly into G4 Tirek's mouth. I'm sure he can't even eat it, though. I mean, it's the rainbow of Darkness, it's probably not even considered a "magic source". Also, I'm sure he has to drain the magic from a living source. To support this, remember when Twilight kept shooting beams at G4 Tirek? If what you're saying is ture, he would've ate all of Twilight beams/spells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinkamena-Pills 6,839 June 17, 2014 Share June 17, 2014 As far as G1 Tirek vs G4 mane 6 it's going to obviously go to mane 6 because of rainbow powers and it seeming like a insta-win by design. As far as this G1 Tirek vs G4 Tirek sub discussion,are we talking about full power G4 Tirek? Because if we are im not even going to bother looking up what G1 Tirek can do because i doubt he has the collective powers of the royals,Cadance,a undetermined amount of pegasi,unicorns,earth ponies and Discord lol.. Oatmeal, are you crazy?! "Silly, you are already under my control."- Pinkie Pie Signature made by me, because resistance truly is futile, silly. Currently still undergoing maintenance. Yes, i can do that, im a program, silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive King 2,001 June 17, 2014 Share June 17, 2014 @, Wrong. Tirek caught Shining Armor's blast and ate it. Twilight was just firing too fast. And untrue, the Rainbow of Darkness is only that powerful if combined with the Chariot of Midnight and Tirek says his little incantation. That takes too long and will result in taking a blast to the face 1 "Aren’t we the same? You know, aren’t you carrying the same mindset as I am? Just because you couldn’t bear to lose, you lost your precious partner! You really call yourself a true duelist? You’re the complete opposite of that!" -Weevil Underwood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Kurtis 636 June 17, 2014 Share June 17, 2014 @, Wrong. Tirek caught Shining Armor's blast and ate it. Twilight was just firing too fast. And untrue, the Rainbow of Darkness is only that powerful if combined with the Chariot of Midnight and Tirek says his little incantation. That takes too long and will result in taking a blast to the face I'm sure G1's giant combat dragon servants (he has a lot consider he turns most things he sees into them) will stall G4 Tirek long enough for everything to play out. Again, it won't take that long. Plus, what you said just supported my theory about G4 Tirek not being able to eat the Rainbow of Darkness. If Twilight was "firing to fast" and that resulted in his being unable to eat it, then the same would happen with the ROD. When Tirek would release it, it would quickly spread throughout the land - 1. being too quick for Tirek to eat 2. Consuming him in it before he even gets a chance to partake in the delicious rainbow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive King 2,001 June 17, 2014 Share June 17, 2014 I'm sure G1's giant combat dragon servants (he has a lot consider he turns most things he sees into them) will stall G4 Tirek long enough for everything to play out They are literally smaller than G4 Tirek's hoof, it'd be like you being afraid of a gecko Again, it won't take that long. Plus, what you said just supported my theory about G4 Tirek not being able to eat the Rainbow of Darkness. If Twilight was "firing to fast" and that resulted in his being unable to eat it, then the same would happen with the ROD. When Tirek would release it, it would quickly spread throughout the land - 1. being too quick for Tirek to eat 2. Consuming him in it before he even gets a chance to partake in the delicious rainbow. It takes a good 5 seconds for Tirek to do his incantation and without it, a good second. Twilight's blasts were almost instant by comparison. 1 "Aren’t we the same? You know, aren’t you carrying the same mindset as I am? Just because you couldn’t bear to lose, you lost your precious partner! You really call yourself a true duelist? You’re the complete opposite of that!" -Weevil Underwood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Kurtis 636 June 17, 2014 Share June 17, 2014 They are literally smaller than G4 Tirek's hoof, it'd be like you being afraid of a gecko It takes a good 5 seconds for Tirek to do his incantation and without it, a good second. Twilight's blasts were almost instant by comparison. Still, when it opens, it won't be a nice little beam that's going to fit in his mouth. It's is going to quickly spread throughout the land and most likely consuming him before he knows it; he won't be too far away from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive King 2,001 June 17, 2014 Share June 17, 2014 Still, when it opens, it won't be a nice little beam that's going to fit in his mouth. It's is going to quickly spread throughout the land and most likely consuming him before he knows it; he won't be too far away from it. No, it's still a beam that can be eaten since he draws it forward like a vacumn 1 "Aren’t we the same? You know, aren’t you carrying the same mindset as I am? Just because you couldn’t bear to lose, you lost your precious partner! You really call yourself a true duelist? You’re the complete opposite of that!" -Weevil Underwood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Kurtis 636 June 17, 2014 Share June 17, 2014 No, it's still a beam that can be eaten since he draws it forward like a vacumn I honestly forgot that this thread was about G1 Tirek and the mane 6. If all your points are correct, I'm still sure a slightly weaker Tirek can crush the 6 little ponies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive King 2,001 June 17, 2014 Share June 17, 2014 I honestly forgot that this thread was about G1 Tirek and the mane 6. If all your points are correct, I'm still sure a slightly weaker Tirek can crush the 6 little ponies. Not when they blast him with Friendship 1 "Aren’t we the same? You know, aren’t you carrying the same mindset as I am? Just because you couldn’t bear to lose, you lost your precious partner! You really call yourself a true duelist? You’re the complete opposite of that!" -Weevil Underwood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Kurtis 636 June 17, 2014 Share June 17, 2014 Not when they blast him with Friendship He'll step on them even before they rainbow up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive King 2,001 June 17, 2014 Share June 17, 2014 He'll step on them even before they rainbow up. Too small and not mobile enough 1 "Aren’t we the same? You know, aren’t you carrying the same mindset as I am? Just because you couldn’t bear to lose, you lost your precious partner! You really call yourself a true duelist? You’re the complete opposite of that!" -Weevil Underwood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Kurtis 636 June 17, 2014 Share June 17, 2014 Too small and not mobile enough He'll use the ROD on them then. The mane 6 can't eat magic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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