movies/tv Superman VS Twilight Sparkle

[Hive King 2,001]

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For this to work, you have to use one of these

 

a. Equestria is huge and star gravity is nothing to it

b. There's an earth alicorn stabilizing it

c. The stars are tiny.

d. It's a fictional universe(which can backfire)

 

I would like to mention that the Sun "ticking" seems to be more so a product of Twilight having a melt down, not really anything else. 

[Fractured 2,684]

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For this to work, you have to use one of these

 

a. Equestria is huge and star gravity is nothing to it

b. There's an earth alicorn stabilizing it

c. The stars are tiny.

d. It's a fictional universe(which can backfire)

 

I would like to mention that the Sun "ticking" seems to be more so a product of Twilight having a melt down, not really anything else. 

Not so much, each universe has its own particular set of rules. This ones happens to be that:

1: the sun and moon is the same size as ours, and

2: they orbit around the earth at the whim of the alicorns. Those are definite statements; the ones we know to be true. Not much else really matters here.

[Hive King 2,001]

Not so much, each universe has its own particular set of rules. This ones happens to be that:

1: the sun and moon is the same size as ours, and

2: they orbit around the earth at the whim of the alicorns. Those are definite statements; the ones we know to be true. Not much else really matters here.

The show has multiple writers, the statement of one is hardly definitive. Even if it was, there are points when authors don't exactly act smart(Broly's creator said that they couldn't think of how to make a villain stronger)

 

Also, unicorns did it ancient, times several at a time and with great strain, but still. It's not like the alicorns are beyond the touch of any normal pony

[Fractured 2,684]

The show has multiple writers, the statement of one is hardly definitive. Even if it was, there are points when authors don't exactly act smart(Broly's creator said that they couldn't think of how to make a villain stronger)

 

Also, unicorns did it ancient, times several at a time and with great strain, but still. It's not like the alicorns are beyond the touch of any normal pony

It's Amy Keating Rogers, a writer from the show who has her hands in essentially everything MLP related, from multiple episodes to the Journal of the Alicorn Sisters. And, as far as I know, outside of your assumptions based on how you think the MLP universe should work, there's nothing to contradict it. In this instance, i'm taking her word over yours on the subject of Equestrian cosmology.

 

 

And actually, it took 9 unicorns, IIRC... plus Starswirl. And they lost all of their powers permanently by doing so, Starswirl aged himself rapidly just trying to move the sun by himself. Celestia and Luna, showed up, took control of the celestial objects, and got a power boost from it. They managed to restore the magic of every pony that had lost theirs.

[Hive King 2,001]

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Wait, if they lost their powers by doing it, how did they keep on doing it at all? Did they switch out every day for a fresh batch of unicorns? 

[Fractured 2,684]

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Wait, if they lost their powers by doing it, how did they keep on doing it at all? Did they switch out every day for a fresh batch of unicorns? 

From the book...

"As Luna and I had seen, six unicorns are required for the task of raising the sun and lowering the moon every day and night. Starswirl was always one of the six for both the rising and the setting. But it takes a powerful amount of magic, and what nopony told us was that the unicorns who volunteered for the job could only withstand the task for a short amount of time before their magic is depleted...forever."

 

"Starswirl had been the only unicorn strong enough to withstand this process, day in and day out, night after night. But ten other unicorns constantly had to offer up their magic as a sacrifice for all of Equestria. This morning, they ran out of full grown unicorns and were unable to perform their task. When Starswirl tried to lower the moon by himself, he was unable to, his magic depleted, and his beard turned gray."

[Hive King 2,001]

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So I was right then, they burn through them everyday. Interesting. It goes give a little tidbit of information on the power scaling between a regular unicorn and a strong one, it took 6 strong ones to equal 11 regular ones

[Gatekeeper Giggle 2,902]

Personally I think Superman would win as he is much better at dancing then Twilight. See:

 

While we can see here that Twilight's dancing is so horrific that in makes others shudder in fear.

 

So Superman would indeed beat Twilight in a dance off. 

Edited November 17, 2014 by Stormgiggle

[Hive King 2,001]

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That's actually not too far fetched. Twilight has done x offs in the past (Rainbow Rocks), perhaps this thread would be more fair if it was a sewing contest or something 

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Why u even asking?

Twillight ofc

[GreyScholar 1,584]

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I will say, at the very least, since Discord is a confirmed homage to Q from Star Trek... he would have as much power as Q has.

 

So the question is, how does the power of Mxyzptlk and Q compare and could Superman defeat Q, because I feel Discord would reasonably be just as powerful give how Q and the spirit of chaos compare so much they share the same actor.

 

Q is an omnipotent being that can do as he pleases as long as it does not displease his peers, thus I argue is comparable in power to Mxyzptlk. As such Discord is comparable in power to Mxyzptlk and thus could defeat Superman. This is my arguement!

[Gatekeeper Giggle 2,902]

@@Hive King, 

My idea exactly! I find it very unlikely that two lawful good beings would solve their differences through violence. It's much more likely that they would compete in some sort of friendly competition.  

[Hive King 2,001]

 

 

I will say, at the very least, since Discord is a confirmed homage to Q from Star Trek... he would have as much power as Q has.

Homage =/= Same power. Black Cat is a homage to Catwoman, but Black Cat has bad luck powers. Broly is a homage to the Hulk, he's much weaker

 

 

So the question is, how does the power of Mxyzptlk and Q compare and could Superman defeat Q, because I feel Discord would reasonably be just as powerful give how Q and the spirit of chaos compare so much they share the same actor.

Sharing the same actor? Really? So Raven is equal to Harley Quinn because they were both voiced by Tara Strong?

 

 

Q is an omnipotent being that can do as he pleases as long as it does not displease his peers, thus I argue is comparable in power to Mxyzptlk. As such Discord is comparable in power to Mxyzptlk and thus could defeat Superman. This is my arguement!

Q isn't omnipotent, not in the least. I don't think he's even universal

 

The point is moot because DISCORD IS NOT Q!

 

@@Hive King, 

My idea exactly! I find it very unlikely that two lawful good beings would solve their differences through violence. It's much more likely that they would compete in some sort of friendly competition.  

If anything, they'd most likely be friends. That's another way to make this thread less of a stomp, make it a friendship contest to see who makes friends faster

[Fractured 2,684]

@@Hive King, 

My idea exactly! I find it very unlikely that two lawful good beings would solve their differences through violence. It's much more likely that they would compete in some sort of friendly competition.  

Actually, just taking away the non-competitive edge for a second ("DCAUing it up") i'd like to see them team up and fight Lex Luthor, just to see the look on his face...

 

On topic, a friendly competition would be much better here. But what competition could we have where Clark doesn't have to limit himself?

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Karaoke!

[GreyScholar 1,584]

-annoyed-

 

Look, I am trying to offer some sort of challenge because otherwise bringing Superman into Equestria to fight anyone is stupid and pointless. Discord is the one being that could offer a real challenge but if you insist on diminishing his potential power and raising Superman's power potential it makes a fight bia and unfair.

 

Particularly since different writers offer sometime radically different power levels Superman and I feel allowing the Man of Steel access to everything in every comic more then justifies many people's dislike or even hate for this superhero. Be reasonable and allow some leeway or this discussion in really a waste of time.

[Hive King 2,001]

 

 

Look, I am trying to offer some sort of challenge because otherwise bringing Superman into Equestria to fight anyone is stupid and pointless. Discord is the one being that could offer a real challenge but if you insist on diminishing his potential power and raising Superman's power potential it makes a fight bia and unfair.

Discord won't offer a challenge. You can't spew things about potential power when you have nothing to support your claim other than random, disjointed statements

 

 

Particularly since different writers offer sometime radically different power levels Superman and I feel allowing the Man of Steel access to everything in every comic more then justifies many people's dislike or even hate for this superhero. Be reasonable and allow some leeway or this discussion in really a waste of time.

Leeway? You use his comics after Post Crisis, that's it. What kind of leeway do you want? Do you want a handicap on his better showings? Because it's not really a win for MLP then, it's a win over a handicap

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Teaching children 

[Gatekeeper Giggle 2,902]

 

 

Karaoke!

Can Superman even sing? Seriously, when has he ever sung anything?

 

Yeah, I think Twilight has this one in the bag. She lives in a world where randomly breaking into song in a normal, everyday occurrence.

[Hive King 2,001]

Can Superman even sing? Seriously, when has he ever sung anything?

 

Yeah, I think Twilight has this one in the bag. She lives in a world where randomly breaking into song in a normal, everyday occurrence.

Superman's singing is super apparently

[GreyScholar 1,584]

Well here is the thing, do we have a limit of Discord's power that is arguably not self imposed, because of disinterest in certain methods, or more recently because Fluttershy says "No"? From what I remember, the show pretty well establishes Discord has the power to do whatever he wants, warping the world around him, take control of whatever he pleases, and treat Equestria has his playground.

 

The only limits I can think of is Celestia saying she had placed a spell on the Elements of Harmony so Discord can't take them for a second time, something never tested or proven, and the fact that he can be made powerless by being turned into statue by the same Elements of Harmony.

 

... though really, has there been a threat that the Elements could not defeat if properly used?

Edited November 17, 2014 by EquestrianScholar

[Gatekeeper Giggle 2,902]

 

 

Superman's singing is super apparently

Hmm, maybe not as one sided as I thought. Still, I think Twilight would win. Ponies seem to almost have a supernatural affinity for singing.

 

About the Discord vs Superman debate, Has Superman ever fought anyone omnipotent before? Contrary to popular belief, you CAN defeat an omnipotent being, given the right circumstances.    

[Hive King 2,001]

Hmm, maybe not as one sided as I thought. Still, I think Twilight would win. Ponies seem to almost have a supernatural affinity for singing.

 

About the Discord vs Superman debate, Has Superman ever fought anyone omnipotent before? Contrary to popular belief, you CAN defeat an omnipotent being, given the right circumstances.    

He's tricked a guy who I don't care to spell the name of. 

 

The omipotence doesn't matter because Discord is pathetic

[Gatekeeper Giggle 2,902]

Personally, I think Discord is pretty great, but that doesn't really matter here, does it? A pathetic omnipotent is still a very dangerous foe. Superman certainly couldn't just walk up to Discord and punch him out. He'd have to go about things a little more carefully. I don't know all that much about superman, so I don't know if he's capable of outsmarting Discord.   

[Hive King 2,001]

Personally, I think Discord is pretty great, but that doesn't really matter here, does it? A pathetic omnipotent is still a very dangerous foe. Superman certainly couldn't just walk up to Discord and punch him out. He'd have to go about things a little more carefully. I don't know all that much about superman, so I don't know if he's capable of outsmarting Discord.   

No, he could just slug Discord in the face. Tirek made Discord look like an idiot with no effort what so ever, even paralyzing him before draining him. Superman also has super intelligence, which he really doesn't need, Discord is too cocky to actually use his intelligence effectively.

 

But again, he doesn't need to, he can simply punch Discord or drag him into space until he calls "uncle", all whilst dodging any of his attempts to do anything. I stand by my general belief that the most MLP can take on is a mountain range, judging by the destruction caused by Tirek and Twilight's battle. But Discord is much weaker than both of them. He's a dimestore version of Q, who is a dimestore version of Mr. Mxyzptlk

[Gatekeeper Giggle 2,902]

You severely underestimate Discord. He is absolutely, 100 immune to physical damage. Tirek defeated him by stealing his magic, not through physical violence. Superman could punch Discord all he wanted, it wouldn't do a darn thing. Superman could defeat Discord, but definitely not through physical violence.

[Fractured 2,684]

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Teaching children 

Twilight Sparkle might very well win this one. The only thing Superman teaches children... is that he's an awful person.