Even good things ponies do might hurt others.

[Tom Snyder 4,113]

I remember listening to this lecture on how even the best intentions can have consequences for them,  This includes what the mane 6 have done, including the princesses themselves.There are more than the instances of such things and i wish to know what you guys think would have repercussions on their world. 

I can name one such event that may cost equestria an eternal night:

 

Celestia has the mane 6 find the elements of harmony and restore them, but each faced a challenge they had to overcome, while some were easy for some, others had difficulty with their choice, RD with the shadowbolts, Rarity having to cut off her tail to restore a monsters mustache, and Twilight facing NM alone and tricking her into leaving the elements defenseless, but only to have them shattered to pieces. But NM is defeated when the elements are restored and unleash the magic within, breaking the darkness in Luna's heart, saving her.

 

Now this is undeniably the most dangerous situation they would face so far. But that's my opinion. 

Edited March 14, 2015 by Candy Star

[TheJLeeTeam 914]

Maybe. Fluttershy for instance cuts in line which is good for herself but not for the rest of the line. I can't think of other instances.

[Tom Snyder 4,113]

There are many occasions in the story where their friend ship is tested, Pinkie pie becoming upset over a party where nopony shows up.

[cuteycindyhoney 13,339]

Cheerilee never got to give that killer "Pimp Hat" to whatever pony she intended it for!

[Tom Snyder 4,113]

Cheerilee never got to give that killer "Pimp Hat" to whatever pony she intended it for!

You lost me.  What hat was that?

[cuteycindyhoney 13,339]

You lost me.  What hat was that?

I refer to the episode "Secret of My Excess"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muVpG0FKiJI

Who did she buy that hat for? Whoever it was, they never got it!

Edited March 15, 2015 by cuteycindyhoney

[Vinyl Scratch (Filly)™ 936]

It kind of reminds me of some video games. You'll get a choice, and choose whatever you think is the right path and then BOOM! You've messed things up, and your good intentions have backfired on you.

 

Lesson?

 

Sometimes it is necessary to be evil. Mwahahahaha!

[Tom Snyder 4,113]

I refer to the episode "Secret of My Excess"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muVpG0FKiJI

Who did she buy that hat for? Whoever it was, they never got it!

Ohhh... now i remember that, it did look great on him.

It kind of reminds me of some video games. You'll get a choice, and choose whatever you think is the right path and then BOOM! You've messed things up, and your good intentions have backfired on you.

 

Lesson?

 

Sometimes it is necessary to be evil. Mwahahahaha!

Yeah, i just always made people suffer by dragging them with a horse.

[UnknownFry 169]

There are consequences for decisions and prices to pay for such decisions. Sometimes there are no clear cut positive outcomes with certain actions.

Edited March 16, 2015 by UnknownFry

[Megas 28,140]

Anything Rainbow Dash does apparently makes her a terrible pony these days 

[ConcorDisparate 385]

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I didn't really get how your example show what you mean.

 

What you show here, is that Celestia made a choice make them face danger so they can learn through that. Yeah, it did include danger, it's true. But it does not show how Celestia made a good thing that hurt somepony else.

 

If I were to give an example, I would say that, even if Celestia thought it was a good idea, and that it made the mane 6 understand even more the meaning of friendship, they still caused huge damages to the castle during the Gala that might have hurt tons of ponies considering the number of ponies that were participating.

It isn't really a good example either, because they didn't want to destroy everything in the name of friendship.

 

Another example would be IF, during the episode of "A friend in deed", Pinkie Pie eventually didn't find a way to befriend with, uh, how is he called again ? Anyway, if she eventually failed, she would have caused a crapload of damages and ruined the already ruined life of [insert name here], only because she wanted to be friend with him, which is a good thing that might have hurt him in this case.

 

However, there aren't many examples for your sayings.

While it is true their world isn't perfect and that even the good ponies can't be perfect and don't make the best choices, I'm not sure we can really find many examples of this without extrapolating very hard and draw conclusions out of nowhere.

[Tom Snyder 4,113]

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I didn't really get how your example show what you mean.

 

What you show here, is that Celestia made a choice make them face danger so they can learn through that. Yeah, it did include danger, it's true. But it does not show how Celestia made a good thing that hurt somepony else.

 

If I were to give an example, I would say that, even if Celestia thought it was a good idea, and that it made the mane 6 understand even more the meaning of friendship, they still caused huge damages to the castle during the Gala that might have hurt tons of ponies considering the number of ponies that were participating.

It isn't really a good example either, because they didn't want to destroy everything in the name of friendship.

 

Another example would be IF, during the episode of "A friend in deed", Pinkie Pie eventually didn't find a way to befriend with, uh, how is he called again ? Anyway, if she eventually failed, she would have caused a crapload of damages and ruined the already ruined life of [insert name here], only because she wanted to be friend with him, which is a good thing that might have hurt him in this case.

 

However, there aren't many examples for your sayings.

While it is true their world isn't perfect and that even the good ponies can't be perfect and don't make the best choices, I'm not sure we can really find many examples of this without extrapolating very hard and draw conclusions out of nowhere.

I mean if they had failed, what do you believe the outcome would have been? Celestia was shown having a hard time against NM, so this would have ended one way, either lUna wins or Celestia does. Either way, you have a consequence. There are many ways to bring about scenario's each can be looked at and be found as hurtful , rather than good, despite good intentions. You never see this in a  kids show, i know. But think about it, If Celestia can't use the elements, what chance would either have against the other.

 

You cannot have Light without Darkness, if we didn't have either, the world be be thrown into chaos, same as theirs.

While it is true their world isn't perfect and that even the good ponies can't be perfect and don't make the best choices, I'm not sure we can really find many examples of this without extrapolating very hard and draw conclusions out of nowhere. 

 

I'm not drawing conclusions, i'm stating my opinion as said before. I'm entitled to it.

 

 

There are consequences for decisions and prices to pay for such decisions. Sometimes there are no clear cut positive outcomes with certain actions.

That's what i'm trying to say. There are no real good actions, only those that lead to the negative.

Edited March 16, 2015 by Candy Star

[ConcorDisparate 385]

 

 

I'm not drawing conclusions, i'm stating my opinion as said before. I'm entitled to it.

 

I'm sorry, I didn't mean that, I simply wanted to make sure it does not end up like in some topics. You didn't extrapolate stuff here, you simply brought an idea and I didn't get it yet.

 

 

 

Celestia was shown having a hard time against NM

 

Well, not really.

Celestia had something like 1000 years to think about it. She knew what she was doing and was obviously ready to act if it didn't work as planned.

She DID had a hard time against NM, but back then, the confusion and the lack of time to act didn't help much. If she wasn't confident enough in her plan, she would have moved the population away and brought an army and the elements, perhaps she would have brought Twilight along, but with care.

 

I think we can at least admit that, considering the 1000 years she was given to think about it.

 

 

 

so this would have ended one way, either lUna wins or Celestia does. Either way, you have a consequence.

 

That's considering the Mane 6 fails and that Celestia, that miraculously disappeared, is waiting somewhere doing nothing, while she could be following them and make sure everything is alright. And I'm pretty sure that she was well aware that the elements and their magic couldn't be broken. Again, she wouldn't have let them rot in the former castle if she wasn't sure it wasn't the case, she didn't have 5 minutes to think about that, but 1000 years.

 

 

 

There are many ways to bring about scenario's each can be looked at and be found as hurtful , rather than good, despite good intentions.

 

The thing is, there is a difference between doing something good that might hurt somepony, and make a choice for the better, even if it could hurt somepony.

That's why I was questionning your example.

 

But you are the one deciding what you want to talk about : About ponies that, for good intentions, decide to make choices, even if they are aware of the consequences(Episode #1 #2). OR about ponies that do good things while not being aware of the consequences (the examples I brought).

 

The second one made more sense to me, and I'm pretty sure that's also your case, so it's more about debating whether or not Celestia was aware of the consequences of her decisions, but I'm pretty sure 1000 years is enough to understand that throwing the mane 6 to look for the elements against NM can have consequences, right ?

 

If you actually wanted to talk about ponies that make choices for the better even if they know they are possibly hurting others, I misunderstood your topic.

[Tom Snyder 4,113]

I'm sorry, I didn't mean that, I simply wanted to make sure it does not end up like in some topics. You didn't extrapolate stuff here, you simply brought an idea and I didn't get it yet.

 

The thing is, there is a difference between doing something good that might hurt somepony, and make a choice for the better, even if it could hurt somepony.

That's why I was questioning your example.

 

But you are the one deciding what you want to talk about : About ponies that, for good intentions, decide to make choices, even if they are aware of the consequences(Episode #1 #2). OR about ponies that do good things while not being aware of the consequences (the examples I brought).

 

The second one made more sense to me, and I'm pretty sure that's also your case, so it's more about debating whether or not Celestia was aware of the consequences of her decisions, but I'm pretty sure 1000 years is enough to understand that throwing the mane 6 to look for the elements against NM can have consequences, right ?

 

If you actually wanted to talk about ponies that make choices for the better even if they know they are possibly hurting others, I misunderstood your topic.

Its my fault for not specifying my intentions. I'm not saying she couldn't win, just that by the look of it, Celestia still would hold back out of fear. But yet, if she really ent all out, yes she could.

Edited March 16, 2015 by Candy Star

[ponylaces 1,870]

When Rainbow Dash yells at a stallion to beat it in Trade Ya just for walking up to the stand.

I don't think it really 'hurt' the stallion, but it was definitely rude.

Edited March 26, 2015 by PonyLaces

[Tom Snyder 4,113]

When Rainbow Dash yells at a stallion to beat it in Trade Ya just for walking up to the stand.

I don't think it really 'hurt' the stallion, but it was definitely rude.

Well you don't know what he was thinking. So we can only speculate on that.