gaming Mass Effect question. [Potential spoilers]

[I_wesley125 393]

Why was The Illusive Man considered bad?

To be honest I agree with most of what he was trying to do.

Edited April 11, 2012 by Rainbow--Dash

[Rainbow_Crash 92]

People who use whatever means they find most effective to get the result they want are usually seen as bad by society, for example exeperimenting on a few people just to understand how to control the reapers seems monstrous for many no matter the result. But you have to always see if the means are worth the result first, killing and testing animals for 1% chance of progress seems silly...

 

I wonder if that moral is placed by the powerful so they wont fear someone randomly killing them for being monsters or generally trying to do good with evil... If people actually tried to do good with evil many of the current powerful people would have a nightmare life because they would try to defend against 102323 assaults of different kinds xD

 

 

in me3 i found the control option to be the best pretty much xD, you can do this

Edited April 11, 2012 by Rainbow_Crash

[Steamgamer27 170]

I consider TIM to be more of an antihero.

 

Never saw him as an antagonist, and now that I think about it, "antihero" certainly fits him well. I think he initially has humanity's best interest in mind, but he seems increasingly power hungry when it comes to controlling the Reapers. He doesn't only want what's best for humanity, but wants them to be THE best in the universe. His ruthlessness and thoroughness makes him dangerous, though, but I do agree that he never seemed to have selfish intentions. He's one of my favorite characters in the Mass Effect series.

[Starbrose 20]

I actually didn't like how Mass Effect handled TIM.

 

In Mass Effect 2 TIM was morally ambiguous. Cerberus was prejudiced and ruthless in their techniques yes, but the overall effort to stop the attacks on human colonies and stop the reapers was in the right place. Where the Alliance turned their back on humanity and Shepard, Cerberus didn't. It was almost played in ME2 that Cerberus wasn't all bad.

 

In Mass Effect 3 TIM and Cerberus was pigeon-holed into being completely evil. Regardless if your Shep was Paragon/Renegade, he'd disagree with Cerberus and TIM. In Mass Effect 2, your Shepard could agree with Cerberus philosophy if you wanted a Renegade character. They then discarded this completely for the third, your Shep had to be 100% for the Alliance and anti-Cerberus.

 

At times I did agree with TIM. This wasn't a time for politics or idealism. Cerberus was willing to do whatever it took to stop the reapers. They would invest everything into Shepard because they knew how much of an asset he was.On the other hand the Alliance was caught up in race politics half the time. Unfortunately Cerberus strayed off path, TIM became too obsessed with power and ended up indoctrinated.

 

But he was one of the best characters in the series, for sure.

[Rainbow_Crash 92]

I consider TIM to be more of an antihero.

 

Never saw him as an antagonist, and now that I think about it, "antihero" certainly fits him well. I think he initially has humanity's best interest in mind, but he seems increasingly power hungry when it comes to controlling the Reapers. He doesn't only want what's best for humanity, but wants them to be THE best in the universe. His ruthlessness and thoroughness makes him dangerous, though, but I do agree that he never seemed to have selfish intentions. He's one of my favorite characters in the Mass Effect series.

 

i agree about that but dont think he cares so much for the entire universe, his goals are more focused on making humanity powerful but not the other races

[Strafe 594]

I actually didn't like how Mass Effect handled TIM.

 

In Mass Effect 2 TIM was morally ambiguous. Cerberus was prejudiced and ruthless in their techniques yes, but the overall effort to stop the attacks on human colonies and stop the reapers was in the right place. Where the Alliance turned their back on humanity and Shepard, Cerberus didn't. It was almost played in ME2 that Cerberus wasn't all bad.

 

In Mass Effect 3 TIM and Cerberus was pigeon-holed into being completely evil. Regardless if your Shep was Paragon/Renegade, he'd disagree with Cerberus and TIM. In Mass Effect 2, your Shepard could agree with Cerberus philosophy if you wanted a Renegade character. They then discarded this completely for the third, your Shep had to be 100% for the Alliance and anti-Cerberus.

 

At times I did agree with TIM. This wasn't a time for politics or idealism. Cerberus was willing to do whatever it took to stop the reapers. They would invest everything into Shepard because they knew how much of an asset he was.On the other hand the Alliance was caught up in race politics half the time. Unfortunately Cerberus strayed off path, TIM became too obsessed with power and ended up indoctrinated.

 

But he was one of the best characters in the series, for sure.

 

SPOILER WARNING:

 

It was revealed in ME3 when Shepard went to the cerberus base that the Illusive man was hiding the real cerberus during me2. TIM was always evil.

[Starbrose 20]

SPOILER WARNING:

 

It was revealed in ME3 when Shepard went to the cerberus base that the Illusive man was hiding the real cerberus during me2. TIM was always evil.

 

Yup, but like I said in my previous post, these developments that Cerberus was 100% evil only happened in ME3. In ME2 it was obvious we were meant to interpret that Cerberus was morally in the grey.

[Steamgamer27 170]

i agree about that but dont think he cares so much for the entire universe, his goals are more focused on making humanity powerful but not the other races

 

I stated that TIM wants humanity solely to be THE best in the universe.

 

"Evil" is a pretty subjective term to me. While I don't think their actions were sometimes nonsensical (like attacking and Harassing Salarians and Krogan when nothing for humanity is to be gained), I think the stuff like snuffing out Mars base and kidnapping biotics actually fit their character quite well.

 

To me, Cerberus was less an organization and more of Human ambition personified. I think they took the "Humanity is too ambitious for its own good" theme from ME1 and decided to give it a face with Cerberus. They are ambition without societal restrictions and I think they could have justified anything they did and fit within character as long as they were working toward a goal.