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Just because something isn't physically hurting anyone, doesn't mean it's automatically not wrong. What if there was a flag that actually said something racist. Is it hurting anyone? No. Should anyone be able to fly that flag and exercise their Freedom of Speech? No, that's practically bullying. There are some things that people should simply keep to themselves. I'm not saying the Confederate flag is racist, I'm saying that if it were, it should be banned.

If we want the freedom to express what we believe, we have to let hateful idiots express what they believe. Nobody should be forbidden from that.

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If we want the freedom to express what we believe, we have to let hateful idiots express what they believe. Nobody should be forbidden from that.

But it's the same exact thing as bullying.

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No it isn't. If it were bullying, it'd have to be someone personal. A blanket statement against an entire group is wrong and stupid, but I think people should be able to express it.

What do you mean it isn't bullying? It's the same thing except it's spread across people.

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What do you mean it isn't bullying? It's the same thing except it's spread across people.

I disagree. I think expressing racist opinions is (needless to say) hateful and wrong, but I wouldn't quite call it bullying. Bullying is more personal and about harassment on individuals.

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I disagree. I think expressing racist opinions is (needless to say) hateful and wrong, but I wouldn't quite call it bullying. Bullying is more personal and about harassment on individuals.

Well, since you put it that way, it may not be bullying by definition. Thinking about it now, it's even worse. Instead of one target to insult, they target whole groups. I get the Freedom of the Press, but why should racism be included? Isn't the law supposed to enforce truth and justice?

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Just because something isn't physically hurting anyone, doesn't mean it's automatically not wrong. What if there was a flag that actually said something racist. Is it hurting anyone? No. Should anyone be able to fly that flag and exercise their Freedom of Speech? No, that's practically bullying. There are some things that people should simply keep to themselves.

Yeah I agree that people should keep it to themselves if it is out of racism.

But I don't think the government should be able to interfere.

From the eyes of the law it shouldn't matter if it's bullying or not, the government shouldn't get involved unless there is a harmful threat on the table.

A group protest is the most you should be able to do.

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Well, since you put it that way, it may not be bullying by definition. Thinking about it now, it's even worse. Instead of one target to insult, they target whole groups. I get the Freedom of the Press, but why should racism be included? Isn't the law supposed to enforce truth and justice?

If we don't let stupid people speak their minds, there's less chance of understanding what they believe and refuting their stupidity. Should we look down upon racists and judge them for their stupid opinions? Yes. Should we stop them from expressing their stupid opinions? I say no.

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If we don't let stupid people speak their minds, there's less chance of understanding what they believe and refuting their stupidity. Should we look down upon racists and judge them for their stupid opinions? Yes. Should we stop them from expressing their stupid opinions? I say no.

I suppose when you put it like that......
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If we don't let stupid people speak their minds, there's less chance of understanding what they believe and refuting their stupidity. Should we look down upon racists and judge them for their stupid opinions? Yes. Should we stop them from expressing their stupid opinions? I say no.

So we should let stupid people teach their kids their racists way, setting them up for utter failure as members of society. Gotcha.

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So we should let stupid people teach their kids their racists way, setting them up for utter failure as members of society. Gotcha.

I'm not one who would support a society filled with overly sensitive people either.

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So we should let stupid people teach their kids their racists way, setting them up for utter failure as members of society. Gotcha.

Stupid people will raise stupid kids.

You cannot change that without invoking on a parent's right to raise their child.

But if the parent causes harm or abuse to the child in any way, then the government has to step in and take the child away.

And we already have cases where parents are falsely accused of abusing their children and they lose their child.

Throw the ability for the government to take children away based on what they're taught by their parents, and just watch the shit hit the fan.

Just WATCH the shit hit the fan.

@Potatoes friend, in time you'll learn that an oppressive government can be more problematic than any mere social issue we have today.

I'm not one who would support a society filled with overly sensitive people either.

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If we don't let stupid people speak their minds, there's less chance of understanding what they believe and refuting their stupidity. Should we look down upon racists and judge them for their stupid opinions? Yes. Should we stop them from expressing their stupid opinions? I say no.

"Without stupidity, there would be no satire, and without satire, I wouldn't be able to afford a new wide-screen TV."

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I didn't mention anything about raising kids whatsoever.

Kids learn just as much from viewing society as they do by listening to their parents. Now I don't expect kids to watch Dukes of Hazard, but kids are taught in school what the flag is, and what the people waving that flag stood for... If a kid observes a flag being proudly displayed of a government flag poll, or in some dead beat hicks front yard, they might just get the idea that racism is correct.

 

The flag should not be able to be displayed publicly for this reason. Now I have no qualms with someone owning the flag, or hanging it up in their bedroom... Whatever you do in private is your business, but more care must be paid to things that are done publicly.

I'm not one who would support a society filled with overly sensitive people either.

I'd rather be overly sensitive than someone too stupid to be racialy tolerant.

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Kids learn just as much from viewing society as they do by listening to their parents. Now I don't expect kids to watch Dukes of Hazard, but kids are taught in school what the flag is, and what the people waving that flag stood for... If a kid observes a flag being proudly displayed of a government flag poll, or in some dead beat hicks front yard, they might just get the idea that racism is correct.

 

The flag should not be able to be displayed publicly for this reason. Now I have no qualms with someone owning the flag, or hanging it up in their bedroom... Whatever you do in private is your business, but more care must be paid to things that are done publicly.

To me what you're saying now is on par with the people who say stuff like "We should ban homosexuality, because what if two queers are making out and my kids see it?". If you see a racist with a confederate flag, it's not going to teach your kids that racism is correct, if anything it'll give you an opportunity to explain something to your kids.

 

Do you want to teach kids that racists don't exist? Because that's 100% untrue and doesn't prepare them for the real world.

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It's ironic, isn't it?

This used to be a country where minorities were treated as less than human.

The amount of social progress made in the last fifty years is astonishing.

 

There was a time when gay people were jailed for deviant behavior. Now, they can get legally married.

 

There was a time when black Americans were treated as second-class citizens. Now we have a black president.

 

Like I said, it's astonishing. We've come so far as a nation, in such a short time.

 

The problem is, there's a flipside to all this progress.

People have become so wrapped up in the concept of political correctness and racial sensitivity that they're starting to bow down to any group that complains loud enough.

 

In modern times, the rebel flag is a symbol of Southern heritage.

Nothing more, nothing less.

 

It's disturbing that so many people are trying to take away my First Amendment right to display a symbol of my home and heritage, while at the same time claiming to be the victims of oppression.

 

It's almost as though people are starting to feel... I guess the word would be entitled.


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I'd rather be overly sensitive than someone too stupid to be racialy tolerant.

Someone would also be quite stupid to be overly sensitive. In case of excessive sensitivity you then are prone to be in position in which there will be far too many false accusations of discrimination or people finding nearly everything offensive. People, especially of some of minority group, would be able to blame situations on things completely irrelevant (it's because of my ethnicity/religion/sexuality/etc. isn't it?). Abusing your status, your views, etc. as a way to get others in trouble is discrimination in itself.

 

Censoring racist statements would make government very authoritarian and I highly question its effectiveness of reducing number of racists. This sort of thing would be very abusable as well because you can claim anything is racist. If someone insults you, fight back with words or take the insult and move on; there's no need for government interference unless lives are actually in danger.

 

It's disturbing that so many people are trying to take away my First Amendment right to display a symbol of my home and heritage, while at the same time claiming to be the victims of oppression.

 

It's almost as though people are starting to feel... I guess the word would be entitled.

Reverse discrimination bothers me as much as discrimination.

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To me what you're saying now is on par with the people who say stuff like "We should ban homosexuality, because what if two queers are making out and my kids see it?". If you see a racist with a confederate flag, it's not going to teach your kids that racism is correct, if anything it'll give you an opportunity to explain something to your kids.

Do you want to teach kids that racists don't exist? Because that's 100% untrue and doesn't prepare them for the real world.

Not a viable comparison. Homosexuality isn't damaging to society like racism is.

 

You can't say that for all children. Some are more impressionable and impulsive than others.

 

Of course not. But it should be taught that it is vile, and evil. If a flag is flown proudly by a governing body, this is circumvented.

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Not a viable comparison. Homosexuality isn't damaging to society like racism is.

That's not the point of the comparison. The point is that even if you think it's damaging, you have to take some responsibility and explain something that exists in the world to your kids.

 

You can't say that for all children. Some are more impressionable and impulsive than others.

Let's not teach history then. We can't have them knowing that slavery used to be legal, otherwise they might think that it's okay. Let's keep them ignorant to everything in the world until they're adults.

 

Of course not. But it should be taught that it is vile, and evil. If a flag is flown proudly by a governing body, this is circumvented.

I'm responding to your point that some hick shouldn't be able to have it outside their house.

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That's not the point of the comparison. The point is that even if you think it's damaging, you have to take some responsibility and explain something that exists in the world to your kids.

 

 

Let's not teach history then. We can't have them knowing that slavery used to be legal, otherwise they might think that it's okay. Let's keep them ignorant to everything in the world until they're adults.

 

 

I'm responding to your point that some hick shouldn't be able to have it outside their house.

true enough I suppose.

 

Learning from history is the best way to not make the same mistakes our ancestors make. If it used to be ok, but is now admonished, kids know it's wrong for slavery to be existent in our society. I've never said we shouldent teach our kids about these kinds of things, in fact I'm all for it.

 

Whats the point of having it outside your house?... "Oh here look at me, I hate blacks, and think that slavery should be legal again. Your kind will never be equal in my mind"..... Public unrest, lots on tension,... It's only a matter of time before violence breaks out. its already happened. A person massacred several African Americans in the name of the confederate flag.... Probably one of those impressionable impulsive kids I was talking about.

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Whats the point of having it outside your house?... "Oh here look at me, I hate blacks, and think that slavery should be legal again. Your kind will never be equal in my mind"..... Public unrest, lots on tension,... It's only a matter of time before violence breaks out. its already happened. A person massacred several African Americans in the name of the confederate flag.... Probably one of those impressionable impulsive kids I was talking about.

 

Most southerners don't even see it as a symbol of racism, it's mostly seen as a symbol of southern pride. You can't really make a sweeping blanket statement that everyone who owns the flag is a "racist hick", that's silencing the other the other side and denying them a point of view by labeling them regardless of whether the label is false or not.

 

Also because one murderer owned the flag that means it should be banned? That logic has been used to attack video games, movies, rock/metal music, comics and even cartoons. There's a reason why people think this "slippery slope" line of thinking has no place in making decisions for the country and they're right.

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