manic 121 July 17, 2015 Share July 17, 2015 (edited) @@manic, I haven't seen any of season 5 yet. I wait until the season is over before I watch it so I can binge on the whole thing instead of having to wait for the next episode. I do that for other series but I need mah FIM so I can't help it XD ps. I can't believe you managed to resist watching episode 100 too Edited July 17, 2015 by manic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time Shield 402 July 17, 2015 Share July 17, 2015 Did you notice the style of the crown he gave himself? While there is a generic style of crown that can be used for either, and there are exceptions to this in any case, there tend to be classic designs that are particular to kings/princes (more puffed-out and rounded, with more of a cap shape) compared to queens/princesses (sloping to a point or edge). A more common real-world example is how the different styles are used in chess pieces, where the king piece will be rounded at the edge of the cap, while a queen's juts outward, as a quick way to tell them apart. With this in mind, most of the princess crowns we see throughout the series have the kind that slope to a point or edge. Big Mac's crown, on the other hand, was the puffy style, and one that we don't see any of the princesses wearing. Ergo, he was dreaming of being a prince, not a princess. 2 Avatar art by Dilarus -- Click below for my game downloads: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManaMinori 4,145 July 17, 2015 Share July 17, 2015 To assume that all alicorns are female is WRONG to assume that all alicorns are princesses is WRONG why? Because the Journal of the Two sisters confrms that there were other alicorns, and since Luna and Sunbutt were BORN alicorns, then they MUST'VE had a father to assist in making them So to assume BIG MAC wants to be an alicorn princess, and thus, is transgendered is WRONG 5 Under the Jellicle Moon- a site with cuteness, cat boys, and comic strips / Star Dreams Fanclub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Discordian 6,015 July 17, 2015 Share July 17, 2015 I do that for other series but I need mah FIM so I can't help it XD ps. I can't believe you managed to resist watching episode 100 too I have sort of the same problem but in the sense that if I watch it and want more and there isn't anymore to be had I go insane. At least when I watch full seasons there's some closure. Is episode 100 the one with the background ponies? I don't really care about any of them so it wasn't hard to resist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time Shield 402 July 17, 2015 Share July 17, 2015 To assume that all alicorns are female is WRONG to assume that all alicorns are princesses is WRONG why? Because the Journal of the Two sisters confrms that there were other alicorns, and since Luna and Sunbutt were BORN alicorns, then they MUST'VE had a father to assist in making them So to assume BIG MAC wants to be an alicorn princess, and thus, is transgendered is WRONG Yes, also this. People are reading into it too much. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. (Apologies for using an unconfirmed Freud quote.) 3 Avatar art by Dilarus -- Click below for my game downloads: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manic 121 July 17, 2015 Share July 17, 2015 To assume that all alicorns are female is WRONG to assume that all alicorns are princesses is WRONG why? Because the Journal of the Two sisters confrms that there were other alicorns, and since Luna and Sunbutt were BORN alicorns, then they MUST'VE had a father to assist in making them So to assume BIG MAC wants to be an alicorn princess, and thus, is transgendered is WRONG Well, we don't know if Luna and Celestia's parents were also alicorns, normal ponies, or some sort of energy field, but in terms of what the OP is assuming, yeah. Some guys can just like to be princesses without being transgendered. Cross-dressing is a thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider float 2,538 July 17, 2015 Author Share July 17, 2015 (edited) well since it was a dream episode it probably was just a little joke they put in the show since mostly every cartoon show including spongebob they put in a few jokes that has nothing to do with the charecter or the show and doesnt show it again only once so it could just be a little joke in the show but i can see the fandom artists and sfms now lol ohh god XD It's canon because its his dream. Nobody says the background ponies in episode 100 is not canon and just jokes. Same applies here. To assume that all alicorns are female is WRONG to assume that all alicorns are princesses is WRONG why? Because the Journal of the Two sisters confrms that there were other alicorns, and since Luna and Sunbutt were BORN alicorns, then they MUST'VE had a father to assist in making them So to assume BIG MAC wants to be an alicorn princess, and thus, is transgendered is WRONG 1. No male alicorns so far so not an assumption and not wrong. 2. Twilight became a princess only after becoming an alicorn when she was already a princess. All alicorns are female. This was just a dream sequence of Big Mac's desires. 3. Journal of the Two Sisters is not canon. Also there is no support for alicorns having parents to begin with. 4. Big Mac wants to be a princess. He wants to be female as princesses are only female. For example Twilight became an alicorn without the need for a father or mother to make her that way. If he wanted to just be an alicorn he would not have those decorations. And even without the decorations he wanted to be an alicorn which are only female. Stop being transphobic. Edited July 17, 2015 by cider float Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ribbonfree 2,383 July 17, 2015 Share July 17, 2015 (edited) As someone who is trans I'd agree with the prevailing attitude of not reading too much into it. It's a nice headcanon, maybe, but supremely dubious canon-wise and kinda stereotypical to say. Dreaming is a weird state and not all trans people are guaranteed to dream as the opposite gender, case in point being me. It's almost completely likely to be just a one off gag. Edited July 17, 2015 by Ribbonfree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider float 2,538 July 17, 2015 Author Share July 17, 2015 (edited) I've dreamed I've done extremely traditionally feminine things. Woke up. Was content I was born a man. Debunked. Might want to check up on yourself there... I never dreamed of doing traditionally feminine things. Hmmm people are just being selective of what they want to be or not. The clues are all there. Seriously people like the idea of Lyra and Lemon being lesbians so that is never quesitoned but oh no Big Mac isn't transgender because that's just wrong. There's less clues on that, Big Mac just went full on princess. Edited July 17, 2015 by cider float Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake of Gilead 140 July 17, 2015 Share July 17, 2015 ,,,We aren't being transphobic. Big Mac is not trans. End. Of. Story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider float 2,538 July 17, 2015 Author Share July 17, 2015 (edited) ,,,We aren't being transphobic. Big Mac is not trans. End. Of. Story. The need to make Lyra and Sweet Lemondrops a couple but the selective attitude on what other clues of a character being of the LGBT may be transphobic as an idea of hierarchy of lesbians better than transgenders. Or a selective attitude of not wanting Big Mac to be transgender because they look up to this character or something which is actually still pretty transphobic because they think less of transgenders. Thinking it's a joke just sounds like transgenderism is a joke... okay that's definitely not transphobic either. Edited July 17, 2015 by cider float Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cwanky 17,600 July 17, 2015 Share July 17, 2015 Wait am I missing something here? Since when does becoming an alicorn make you a princess, let alone female? And no I don't want to imagine Big MacIntosh in THAT way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake of Gilead 140 July 17, 2015 Share July 17, 2015 The need to make Lyra and Sweet Lemondrops a couple but the selective attitude on what other clues of a character being of the LGBT may be transphobic as an idea of hierarchy of lesbians better than transgenders. Or a selective attitude of not wanting Big Mac to be transgender because they look up to this character or something which is actually still pretty transphobic because they think less of transgenders. ...You're saying I'm transphobic, then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Yellow Diamond 925 July 17, 2015 Share July 17, 2015 The need to make Lyra and Sweet Lemondrops a couple but the selective attitude on what other clues of a character being of the LGBT may be transphobic as an idea of hierarchy of lesbians better than transgenders. Or a selective attitude of not wanting Big Mac to be transgender because they look up to this character or something which is actually still pretty transphobic because they think less of transgenders. Thinking it's a joke just sounds like transgenderism is a joke... okay that's definitely not transphobic either. Cider, listen, you're getting too far ino this. You may believe that Big Mac is transgender but other people don't. It seems very logical for him not to be... so could you please respect some of our opinions? I respect your's but for you too call some people "transphobic" for simply not agreeing with you is being sort of butthurt... Sorry, just the way it comes off as. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider float 2,538 July 17, 2015 Author Share July 17, 2015 Cider, listen, you're getting too far ino this. You may believe that Big Mac is transgender but other people don't. It seems very logical for him not to be... so could you please respect some of our opinions? I respect your's but for you too call some people "transphobic" for simply not agreeing with you is being sort of butthurt... Sorry, just the way it comes off as. I'm in the line of thinking that there could be LGBT ponies in the show just like how people say that Lyra and Lemondrops are a lesbian couple. So since that's the stance this forum I just expected people to be more accepting to the idea but it seems they have some sort of selective idea on what they want something to be or not outweighing it all using transnormativity as a measure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManaMinori 4,145 July 17, 2015 Share July 17, 2015 It's canon because its his dream. Nobody says the background ponies in episode 100 is not canon and just jokes. Same applies here. 1. No male alicorns so far so not an assumption and not wrong. 2. Twilight became a princess only after becoming an alicorn when she was already a princess. All alicorns are female. This was just a dream sequence of Big Mac's desires. 3. Journal of the Two Sisters is not canon. Also there is no support for alicorns having parents to begin with. 4. Big Mac wants to be a princess. He wants to be female as princesses are only female. For example Twilight became an alicorn without the need for a father or mother to make her that way. If he wanted to just be an alicorn he would not have those decorations. And even without the decorations he wanted to be an alicorn which are only female. Stop being transphobic. so I'm transphobic because I disagree with you. Ok, surewhatever you say you're obviously troll, so I'm no longer even going to waste anymore time here, when you just want to be told that you're right. 1 Under the Jellicle Moon- a site with cuteness, cat boys, and comic strips / Star Dreams Fanclub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake of Gilead 140 July 17, 2015 Share July 17, 2015 so I'm transphobic because I disagree with you. Ok, sure whatever you say you're obviously troll, so I'm no longer even going to waste anymore time here, when you just want to be told that you're right. ...Amen to that, brother. If this is gonna turn into a shitstorm, then I'm out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mars 4,862 July 17, 2015 Share July 17, 2015 As this thread has escalated rather quickly and has begun to lead to accusations, it will be locked. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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