If you developed a guilty conscious with MLP characters and symbolism

[ManaMinori 4,145]

If a few of the MLP characters symbolized something that you found unsettling and wrong, but the other characters didn't, and you started to get a guilty conscious about having merchandise of the characters that symbolized that thing that made you feel uneasy ..what would you do? Get rid of the merchandise with the questionable characters, and continue liking and watching MLP, if having the remaining merch allows you a clean conscious, or get rid of every piece of merch, even if certain characters didn't bother your conscious?

[Gearbox10mm 794]

What an odd question. I can't imagine the shows symbolism could ever change enough to cause such strong emotions. I have a hard time imagining doing a complete 180 on something that I originally liked. The premise seems flawed to me.

[ManaMinori 4,145]

What an odd question. I can't imagine the shows symbolism could ever change enough to cause such strong emotions. I have a hard time imagining doing a complete 180 on something that I originally liked. The premise seems flawed to me.

what if the symbolism was there from the beginning, and you just never noticed it/ or you did, and it just didn't bother you then, but gradually did over time, once you began to investigate and find unsettling symbolism portrayed through the characters?

[ManaMinori 4,145]

Curious if others have varying opinions, or similar thoughts and/ or experiences. ?..

[Unikitty 1,212]

I can't imagine that any characters would have some negative secret meaning behind them, and certainly not any main or supporting characters. This is obviously not just a hypothetical, so what character are you getting such ideas from?

[ManaMinori 4,145]

I can't imagine that any characters would have some negative secret meaning behind them, and certainly not any main or supporting characters. This is obviously not just a hypothetical, so what character are you getting such ideas from?

namely, Sunbutt and Twilight. When I first got into the series, I didn't imagine that there was negative hidden meaning behind their characters, but the more I started investigating on why they started giving me the willies over time, the more I learned, and the less I liked about those two.....

[Trixio 443]

I'm really curious to know what type of negative symbolism are behind C-E-L-E-S-T-I-A

 

However for me the problem does not exist because, for the moment, I don't own any MLP merch.

[ManaMinori 4,145]

I'm really curious to know what type of negative symbolism are behind C-E-L-E-S-T-I-A

 

However for me the problem does not exist because, for the moment, I don't own any MLP merch.

lots of pagan and Masonic symbolism, like Sunbutt's eye being drawn clearly to look like the eye of Horus, or the fact that She always has one of her eyes Covered as a masonic/ Luciferian symbol, her owning a pet phoenix, which smbolizes rebirth, a symbol also used by the occult cults, Twilight's 6 pointed star cutie mark representing a hexagram/ Marian star- magic- aka, alchemy, which has historical ties with Freemasonry and Luciferian occult, and the fact that she has an owl as a peet, symbolizing Minerva, the goddess of wisdom, and enlightenment. Not to mention that owls are symbolic in pagan worship, and mock human sacrifices. (Like what goes on at Bohemian Grove, amongst the world elite- the "enlightened ones" who view themselves as the rulers of the planet)

 

www.illuminatirex.com/wp-content/uploads/illuminati-symbols-bohemian-grove-moloch.jpg

Edited July 23, 2015 by Nightmare Muffin

[Shanks 10,816]

lots of pagan and Masonic symbolism, like Sunbutt's eye being drawn clearly to look like the eye of Horus, or the fact that She always has one of her eyes Covered as a masonic/ Luciferian symbol, her owning a pet phoenix, which smbolizes rebirth, a symbol also used by the occult cults, 

These symbols have existed long before masonry or satanism were even a blink in the earths eye, both simply borrowed and corrupted those symbols for their own purposes much like how the Nazi's took the Manji and corrupted it into the Swaztika. In other words the symbols mean something very different in the context they are being used in than the more sinister meaning that satanism and masonry gave them. MLP is using these symbols in reference to the various different mythologies in which they are drawing from, nothing more, nothing less. It is true that there is illuminati symbolism being subliminally used in a lot of entertainment but sometimes a show is just as show and I think this is a case of that.

[Unikitty 1,212]

Oh. That kind of symbolism. Well, I dunno what to say, other than I think that's a bit of an overreaction and a stretch of imagination. Perhaps the eye has some truth in it, but I'd find that to be more believable in the idea that the eye is striking and bold, which supports her regal image. The rest of it just sounds rather nonsensical and sensationalistic. To think that there's some kind of occultist plot hidden in this show is rather on the side of absurdity.

[ManaMinori 4,145]

Oh. That kind of symbolism. Well, I dunno what to say, other than I think that's a bit of an overreaction and a stretch of imagination. Perhaps the eye has some truth in it, but I'd find that to be more believable in the idea that the eye is striking and bold, which supports her regal image. The rest of it just sounds rather nonsensical and sensationalistic. To think that there's some kind of occultist plot hidden in this show is rather on the side of absurdity.

truth is said to be stranger than fiction, my dear. There are symbols and occultist plot right in plain sight, in just about everything. Brand logos, music, literature, tevevision, government and religious buildings, even city street plans across the world.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=L777RhL_Fz4

These symbols have existed long before masonry or satanism were even a blink in the earths eye, both simply borrowed and corrupted those symbols for their own purposes much like how the Nazi's took the Manji and corrupted it into the Swaztika. In other words the symbols mean something very different in the context they are being used in than the more sinister meaning that satanism and masonry gave them. MLP is using these symbols in reference to the various different mythologies in which they are drawing from, nothing more, nothing less. It is true that there is illuminati symbolism being subliminally used in a lot of entertainment but sometimes a show is just as show and I think this is a case of that.

while that may be true for some of the symbols, like the owl, the design of Sunbutt's eye too closely resembles the Egyptian eye and Twilight's character and butt mark too closely ties in with alchemy magic, which, again, has roots with Satanism, and both characters, along with the shown sun worship of her mentor (bowing to and idolizing the sun)- Pagan practice- just makes me feel uneasy about those two, and weighed on my conscious, with just having their merch in my house. Edited July 23, 2015 by Nightmare Muffin

[Unikitty 1,212]

truth is said to be stranger than fiction, my dear. There are symbols and occultist plot right in plain sight, in just about everything. Brand logos, music, literature, tevevision, government and religious buildings, even city street plans across the world.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=L777RhL_Fz4

 

 Or..OR. There isn't. See, our brains are very good at linking shapes to other shapes. In fact, this is a major process in identifying what an object in view is. Same goes for all other senses. The brain makes a database of content it has picked up through these senses, and when approached with an object, compares the new object with old objects in its database. This is why we're so good at picking out images within images. This is why Pareidolia exists.

 

 As far as similarities too alike, that can also be a result of the brain's ability to reference shapes. Everything we know to describe is built off experiences and information we know. You go to create a royal character, and your brain recalls back to everything relating to regalia. In Celestia's case the bold and sharp eye. Bold eyes are very much a regal trait even going right back to the Egyptians. Phoenixes are legendary creatures, and something you'd imagine a fantasy princess to have - rather than, say, a mouse. For Twilight, perhaps the star does have some roots in alchemy scripture. But that makes perfect sense seeing as she is both a scientist and magician.

 

 There are perfectly rational reasons for seeing all these shapes, without having to be dragged into grand conspiracy theories. I was watching National Treasure last night, and even though there were some sketchy 'clues' in there, I doubt even they'd stretch as far as to be hidden inside a children's cartoon.

 I love looking into conspiracies and the occult as much as anyone. But I think this is just an overactive imagination.

Edited July 23, 2015 by Unikitty

[Steel Accord 6,660]

lots of pagan and Masonic symbolism, like Sunbutt's eye being drawn clearly to look like the eye of Horus, or the fact that She always has one of her eyes Covered as a masonic/ Luciferian symbol, her owning a pet phoenix, which smbolizes rebirth, a symbol also used by the occult cults, Twilight's 6 pointed star cutie mark representing a hexagram/ Marian star- magic- aka, alchemy, which has historical ties with Freemasonry and Luciferian occult, and the fact that she has an owl as a peet, symbolizing Minerva, the goddess of wisdom, and enlightenment. Not to mention that owls are symbolic in pagan worship, and mock human sacrifices. (Like what goes on at Bohemian Grove, amongst the world elite- the "enlightened ones" who view themselves as the rulers of the planet)

 

www.illuminatirex.com/wp-content/uploads/illuminati-symbols-bohemian-grove-moloch.jpg

 

Or . . . the two characters are those archetypes on purpose but for positive effect. Celestia has always been cast in the vain of a deity of the elements. She raises the sun each morning like Apollo or Ra. She brings warmth and light to the world. Philomena, being a phoenix, IS a symbol of resurrection, rebirth, renewal. These are bad things?

 

Twilight's cutie mark is meant to be a simple star burst, an explosion of energy. Representing her own enthusiasm for the arcane and magical. The owl has always been a short hand for wisdom and yes Minerva (or as I prefer Athena) IS the goddess of wisdom and owls have long been adopted as wizard familiars which fits in with Twilight's archetype as a skilled magician.

 

So yeah, these symbols are present . . . why are they bad or uncomfortable?

 

 

while that may be true for some of the symbols, like the owl, the design of Sunbutt's eye too closely resembles the Egyptian eye and Twilight's character and butt mark too closely ties in with alchemy magic, which, again, has roots with Satanism, and both characters, along with the shown sun worship of her mentor (bowing to and idolizing the sun)- Pagan practice- just makes me feel uneasy about those two, and weighed on my conscious, with just having their merch in my house.

 

And? I'm a Christian too and I see nothing wrong with this symbolism. They're not promoting anything evil or actually Satanic. Celestia's relationship with Twilight is that of teacher and student, now pretty much post grad and close to being equals.

 

Just because something uses mythological symbols doesn't mean it's anti-Christian. If that were the case, New York would be damned for having images of Apollo, Atlas, and Hermes as brilliant statues. Or depicting God in the familiar (and I personally think childish) guise of "bearded guy in clouds" would be evil as that is a carry over from the image of Zeus.

Edited July 23, 2015 by Steel Accord

[GuyNamedEarl 1,332]

I don't see a problem with the current MLP characters, so no, probably not.

[Kyoshi Frost Wolf 41,696]

No, I would keep all of the merch I have of that character. Why? Because I would not exactly be bothered by some random symbolism that has no effect on the show in any way whatsoever. Unless the symbolism was plain as day and was for something like 'Destroy all mankind' or something wacky like that, then suuuuure, maybe, but having a guilty consience over some random 'symbolism'? I don't think so. It really would not be a big deal. Assuming there ever was any anyways.

[ManaMinori 4,145]

Or . . . the two characters are those archetypes on purpose but for positive effect. Celestia has always been cast in the vain of a deity of the elements. She raises the sun each morning like Apollo or Ra. She brings warmth and light to the world. Philomena, being a phoenix, IS a symbol of resurrection, rebirth renewal. These are bad things?

 

Twilight's cutie mark is meant to be a simple star burst, an explosion of energy. Representing her own enthusiasm for the arcane and magical. The owl has always been a short hand for wisdom and yes Minerva (or as I prefer Athena) IS the goddess of wisdom and owls have long been adopted as wizard familiars which fits in with Twilight's archetype as a skilled magician.

 

So yeah, these symbols are present . . . why are they bad or uncomfortable?

 

And? I'm a Christian too and I see nothing wrong with this symbolism. They're not promoting anything evil or actually Satanic. Celestia's relationship with Twilight is that of teacher and student, now pretty much post grad and close to being equals.

 

Just because something uses mythological symbols doesn't mean it's anti-Christian. If that were the case, New York would be damned for having images of Apollo, Atlas, and Hermes as brilliant statues. Or depicting God in the familiar (and I personally think childish) guise of "bearded guy in clouds" would be evil as that is a carry over from the image of Zeus.

with how you word your argument, it sounds like you're trying to imply that just because you don't have reason to be bothered by the symbolism, that no one should be. All I'm saying is that the religion that I follow specifically states that the entire world is being misled by Satan, is worshipping his dark power and being taken in by his influence, and that he can appear as an "angel of light", to trick people into beleiving that what you might find innocent, is actually sinister and not approved of by God. You have every right to believe what you want about Sunbutt and Twilchemy, and if they don't make you uncomfortable, then that's fine. We can agree to disagree, in that case.

 

I just chose what would relieve my own conscious, and threw away what merch I had of them, and I feel better about it, after doing so. And I'm still a fan and will still watch the show, since the other ponies aren't a burden on my conscious.....it's just those two characters in particular....

[The Nth Doctor 663]

Purely coincidence 

 

The creators of MLP do not sacrifice babies in order to make their Flash programs run, despite all evidence that points out otherwise

[Steel Accord 6,660]

Purely coincidence 

 

The creators of MLP do not sacrifice babies in order to make their Flash programs run, despite all evidence that points out otherwise

 

Hehe truly miraculous how much mileage they've gotten out of the format isn't it? 

 

Although on some level it is unfortunate that the action of victim sacrifice must be emphasized as being the thing that's evil, rather than a mere icon.

Edited July 23, 2015 by Steel Accord

[Unikitty 1,212]

Purely coincidence 

 

The creators of MLP do not sacrifice babies in order to make their Flash programs run, despite all evidence that points out otherwise

 

But have you seen the stuff they do? That's animation magic! There's no way it could be legit. I bet SantaSatan even writes some episodes!

[Steel Accord 6,660]

with how you word your argument, it sounds like you're trying to imply that just because you don't have reason to be bothered by the symbolism, that no one should be. All I'm saying is that the religion that I follow specifically states that the entire world is being misled by Satan, is worshipping his dark power and being taken in by his influence, and that he can appear as an "angel of light", to trick people into beleiving that what you might find innocent, is actually sinister and not approved of by God. You have every right to believe what you want about Sunbutt and Twilchemy, and if they don't make you uncomfortable, then that's fine. We can agree to disagree, in that case.

 

I just chose what would relieve my own conscious, and threw away what merch I had of them, and I feel better about it, after doing so. And I'm still a fan and will still watch the show, since the other ponies aren't a burden on my conscious.....it's just those two characters in particular....

 

It's not that it doesn't bother me, it's that Old Scratch wouldn't teach wisdom, friendship, scientific curiosity, and motherly warmth regardless of what tools he used them for.

 

As a Christian (the same religion by the by), I can't believe I have to emphasize that two characters that are good role models, are NOT tools of the Devil! Stop looking at their character designs and look at their actions. After all, isn't this basically just an extension of judging a book by it's cover?

[AccountNoLongerUsed 741]

Dont judge a book by its cover. BTW, guess what else the six pointed star is on? The Chicago Flag, among many other things. Its just a shape. You wouldnt stoping being friends with someone who happened to wear symbols that you overthought, would you?

[ManaMinori 4,145]

But have you seen the stuff they do? That's animation magic! There's no way it could be legit. I bet SantaSatan even writes some episodes!

thank you for mocking a persons' genuine concerns and by extension, beliefs.

[AccountNoLongerUsed 741]

thank you for mocking a persons' genuine concerns and by extension, beliefs.

I dont think they meant any harm. But, you are kinda being ridiculous. You are assuming things.

 

If Twilight Sparkle existed, would you hate her just because her cutie mark is a six pointed star, and you ASSUME that means she is a devil worshiper? 

[Unikitty 1,212]

thank you for mocking a persons' genuine concerns and by extension, beliefs.

It was a joke towards The Nth Doctor's jest about Flash, not towards you. Although I do find the concerns you have to be irrational - yet I did my best not to use my personal beliefs as reason against your initial posts.

[Steel Accord 6,660]

It was a joke towards The Nth Doctor's jest about Flash, not towards you. Although I do find the concerns you have to be irrational - yet I did my best not to use my personal beliefs as reason against your initial posts.

 

I'm of Muffin's faith and even I find such things to be irrational. Yes, the Devil temps people through guises of benevolence, but why would he use such to steer bronies to lessons of friendship and harmony? If that's the case, he's pretty much shooting himself in the cloven hoof.

 

Besides, of all the characters in this show, it's Twilight and Celestia that get accused of Satanic imagery rather than . . .

 

THIS GUY?! 

Edited July 24, 2015 by Steel Accord