If you developed a guilty conscious with MLP characters and symbolism

[ManaMinori 4,145]

It's not that it doesn't bother me, it's that Old Scratch wouldn't teach wisdom, friendship, scientific curiosity, and motherly warmth regardless of what tools he used them for.

 

As a Christian (the same religion by the by), I can't believe I have to emphasize that two characters that are good role models, are NOT tools of the Devil! Stop looking at their character designs and look at their actions. After all, isn't this basically just an extension of judging a book by it's cover?

I'm not saying that you have to believe it. Again, It's just what I beleive. And while I have no issue with their actions, what I believe those two symbolize STILL weighs on my conscious, in spite of what they've shown through actions.

 

Would you trust a politician, celebrity, church leader, etc. If you saw them holding business meetings, religious meetings, concerts, etc. In buildings marked with occult symbolism,or mock sacrificing to owl idols, if they went around kissing babies or helping charity, in the eye of the media?

[AccountNoLongerUsed 741]

Also, the pentagram was also a Christian symbol, and represented Christ before The Church eventually decided the Cross was a more unique symbol.

(also im sad it seems NightmareMuffin is ignoring my points)

Edited July 23, 2015 by Wyllow

[ManaMinori 4,145]

It was a joke towards The Nth Doctor's jest about Flash, not towards you. Although I do find the concerns you have to be irrational - yet I did my best not to use my personal beliefs as reason against your initial posts.

irrational or not, that's your belief, and I respect that you don't see what I do. In turn, I would appreciate if you tried to respect my concerns. I'm sure that that was a moral in MLP, as well.....

[Sky Knight 1,172]

I would probably not think that much about it to begin with. I would just keep it, I don't see Chinese Monks giving up the Swastika just because of how the Nazi German's tainted it or gave it a "bad name". But as something as fragile as a Swastika in Europe I'd probably take a little more consideration since it will offend/upset many people. I don't think My Little Pony has the same kind of meaning behind its symbols so I'd be cool with whatever.

[Steel Accord 6,660]

I'm not saying that you have to believe it. Again, It's just what I beleive. And while I have no issue with their actions, what I believe those two symbolize STILL weighs on my conscious, in spite of what they've shown through actions.

 

Would you trust a politician, celebrity, church leader, etc. If you saw them holding business meetings, religious meetings, concerts, etc. In buildings marked with occult symbolism,or mock sacrificing to owl idols, if they went around kissing babies or helping charity, in the eye of the media?

 

As a rule, I don't trust politicians in general. However if a priest was on a Native American reservation and observed their religious rites . . . yes I would trust him. He's respecting their faith and showing an inter-religious diplomatic attitude.

 

All religions deserve their due respect unless their practices are indeed harmful, and I mean in the physical sense of things like victim sacrifice. If a Wiccan ran a company, I'd still buy his or her products as long as they served their purpose. If a Comanche Shaman wanted to bestow me a totem in the shape of a bird, such as an owl, I would take that as a tremendous honor.

[AccountNoLongerUsed 741]

irrational or not, that's your belief, and I respect that you don't see what I do. In turn, I would appreciate if you tried to respect my concerns. I'm sure that that was a moral in MLP, as well.....

We are just trying to point out that you are seeing symbolism in places where there is none. Its just a star, its just eye make up. Sometimes when the writer says "the curtains were blue", it just means "the curtains are blue"

[Steel Accord 6,660]

irrational or not, that's your belief, and I respect that you don't see what I do. In turn, I would appreciate if you tried to respect my concerns. I'm sure that that was a moral in MLP, as well.....

 

We can still respect your belief, which I do and indeed practice the same, but still critique it. Especially since, where I stand, I'm trying to tell you that you have less reason to fear.

[Unikitty 1,212]

irrational or not, that's your belief, and I respect that you don't see what I do. In turn, I would appreciate if you tried to respect my concerns. I'm sure that that was a moral in MLP, as well.....

 

I'm just saying that you have no reason to be concerned. There's no ultimate secret in the show. No hellish lord is trying to convince you to be terrible, by getting you through a cartoon about magical horses. If it existed, surely you'd be 'tested' through something like the temptation to steal or hurt someone. Not through this. I'm not putting my personal beliefs into this topic. I'm just presenting cold hard logical conclusions to superstitions. There is nothing logical about thinking these fictional ponies are trying to tempt you into evil.

[ManaMinori 4,145]

Dont judge a book by its cover. BTW, guess what else the six pointed star is on? The Chicago Flag, among many other things. Its just a shape. You wouldnt stoping being friends with someone who happened to wear symbols that you overthought, would you?

shapes have meaning. They were created to have meaning.

 

And yes, I would. I'm advised to form friendship and relationships, with people who share the same spiritual faith, in order to avoid hardship from being amongst those who aren't, so if they wear something that makes me question if they should really be wearing, if they're of the same faith, then I'd immediately distance myself from them

[Steel Accord 6,660]

Also, the pentagram was also a Christian symbol, and represented Christ before The Church eventually decided the Cross was a more unique symbol.

 

(also im sad it seems NightmareMuffin is ignoring my points)

 

Funny actually because I learned in my mythology class that when Christianity was still an underground cult (literally, the catacombs were the only place they could practice safely), Jesus ended up influencing a local Roman deity who became a god of rebirth in the same manner that Jesus was resurrected.

 

Just something interesting I thought I would share.

[ManaMinori 4,145]

I'm of Muffin's faith and even I find such things to be irrational. Yes, the Devil temps people through guises of benevolence, by why would he use such to steer bronies to lessons of friendship and harmony? If that's the case, he's pretty much shooting himself in the cloven hoof.

 

Besides, of all the characters in this show, it's Twilight and Celestia that get accused of Satanic imagery rather than . . .

 

THIS GUY?! 

don't even get me started on Tirek and Tartarus

[AccountNoLongerUsed 741]

shapes have meaning. They were created to have meaning.

 

And yes, I would. I'm advised to form friendship and relationships, with people who share the same spiritual faith, in order to avoid hardship from being amongst those who aren't, so if they wear something that makes me question if they should really be wearing, if they're of the same faith, then I'd immediately distance myself from them

...what if that person was also Christian? Like i said, the Pentagram was also a CHRISTIAN symbol. Shapes have multiple meanings. Whatever Satanic/ Paganistic symbolism Twilight's Cutie Mark has is just ONE of the possible meanings for it.

 

No offense, but you are shallow if you judge someone by the symbols they where and not the actions they take.

 

For example, we have two people, a person who wears a Pentagram and gives to charity, helps the homeless, and other good things.

 

And then we have a person who wears a Cross, rapes and kills people, and is an all around bad person.

 

Who would you want to be with?

Edited July 23, 2015 by Wyllow

[The Nth Doctor 663]

I'm of Muffin's faith and even I find such things to be irrational. Yes, the Devil temps people through guises of benevolence, by why would he use such to steer bronies to lessons of friendship and harmony? If that's the case, he's pretty much shooting himself in the cloven hoof.

 

Besides, of all the characters in this show, it's Twilight and Celestia that get accused of Satanic imagery rather than . . .

 

THIS GUY?! 

 

Magic-Draining centaurs are harbingers of the devil?

 

Just because he has horns and a beard doesn't mean he's Santa/Satan/HIM incarnate 

 

 

 

Going by the logic that Celestia and Twilight Sparkle are devil-worshipping ponies, why would they be afraid and fight him?

 

You think they'd be overjoyed at their Dark Lord's return and be bowing at his feet

 

 

I've seen similar accusations thrown around about Pokemon and Star Wars and I find it all rather silly

[Steel Accord 6,660]

shapes have meaning. They were created to have meaning.

 

And yes, I would. I'm advised to form friendship and relationships, with people who share the same spiritual faith, in order to avoid hardship from being amongst those who aren't, so if they wear something that makes me question if they should really be wearing, if they're of the same faith, then I'd immediately distance myself from them

 

You think God wants you to recuse yourself of those that would call you a friend just because of differences of faith? Jesus said that we must love unconditionally and He extended His hand to those of all denominations and even to what we would call sinners.

don't even get me started on Tirek and Tartarus

 

Well at least there's actually something there because both of them are symbolically representative of evil and his actions and Tartarus' placement in the mythology of Equestria actually reinforce the ideas of evil and damnation.

[Attack of the Pwns 894]

I think you're overthinking it. If Satan has managed to turn My Little Pony evil, then we're all screwed, because it's one of the most innocent shows on TV right now.

 

So, take it from a fellow Christian, Twilight and Celestia are just normal ponies. They aren't Satan personified, not even Tirek was. I agree with Unikitty, if Satan was trying to get to you through this show, you'd know it by your actions by now.

[ManaMinori 4,145]

Magic-Draining centaurs are harbingers of the devil?

 

Just because he has horns and a beard doesn't mean he's Santa/Satan/HIM incarnate 

 

 

 

Going by the logic that Celestia and Twilight Sparkle are devil-worshipping ponies, why would they be afraid and fight him?

 

You think they'd be overjoyed at their Dark Lord's return and be bowing at his feet

 

 

I've seen similar accusations thrown around about Pokemon and Star Wars and I find it all rather silly

you may not be aware, but Tartarus- a place where Tirek was locked up in, is mentioned in the bible, a the place where Satan and his legions of fallen (demons) will be cast, after Armageddon.

[AccountNoLongerUsed 741]

Another lesson: the Inverted Cross IS ACTUALLY A CHRISTIAN SYMBOL

[Unikitty 1,212]

...what if that person was also Christian? Like i said, the Pentagram was originally a CHRISTIAN symbol. Shapes have multiple meanings. Whatever Satanic/ Paganistic symbolism Twilight's Cutie Mark has is just ONE of the possible meanings for it.

 

No offense, but you are shallow if you judge someone by the symbols they where and not the actions they take. 

 

But the pentagram is pre-Christianity, and it has many variations across cultures in the world. Yes, it was used in Christian mythology, but only briefly before being replaced with the Christian Cross. Its usage then was also similar to the usage of the pentagram from since before Christianity's time. Even Pythagoras used the symbol.

 

 

 

Now, not to topic jump, Nightmare Muffin, but you appear to be quite into the Pokemon franchise. Now I don't see why you would find such problems with a few minor details in Celestia and Twilight, but seem perfectly fine talking about Giratina, Arceus, Rayquaza and co, when they're figuratively gods themselves, with Arceus being a literal definition of a creator god. It seems a bit illogical to see you having no problems with them, but then connecting dots where there are none to begin with, with MLP FiM.

[AccountNoLongerUsed 741]

@@Unikitty, I know it was pre-Christianity as well. My point is one symbol can have multiple meanings.

[Steel Accord 6,660]

 

 

Magic-Draining centaurs are harbingers of the devil?   Just because he has horns and a beard doesn't mean he's Santa/Satan/HIM incarnate 

 

No but if we are going to stretch the symbolism in the show, at least there's a FAR better case to be made with Tirek's design as a visual shorthand of evil as opposed to Celestia, who more evokes an angelic archetype.

 

 

 

Going by the logic that Celestia and Twilight Sparkle are devil-worshipping ponies, why would they be afraid and fight him?   You think they'd be overjoyed at their Dark Lord's return and be bowing at his feet

 

Yeah exactly! Especially since, again both Twilight and Celestia have never done anything that would indicate subversive of sinister intention. Sure, people make mistakes, but neither can be said to be malevolent.

 

Whereas Tirek resents the very idea of friendship, did God knows what to his own brother when he had a change of heart, and steals magic that leaves the victim in a weakened and near lifeless state!

 

 

 

I've seen similar accusations thrown around about Pokemon and Star Wars and I find it all rather silly

 

Oh not THOSE!    

 

People like that aren't helping our image by accusing creators of unholy intent!

[Unikitty 1,212]

@@Unikitty, I know it was pre-Christianity as well. My point is one symbol can have multiple meanings.

Well it appears you didn't, as you said "the Pentagram was originally a CHRISTIAN symbol.".

[The Nth Doctor 663]

you may not be aware, but Tartarus- a place where Tirek was locked up in, is mentioned in the bible, a the place where Satan and his legions of fallen (demons) will be cast, after Armageddon.

 

Hades is also mentioned in the Bible

 

Mat 16:18 (gates of Hades shall not prevail)

Luke 10:15 (brought down to Hades)

Luke 16:23 (in torments in Hades)

Acts 2:27 (not leave my soul in Hades)

Acts 2:31 (His soul was not left in Hades)

1 Cor 15:55 (O Hades, where is your victory?)

Rev 1:18 (keys of Hades)

Rev 6:8 (Hades followed with him)

Rev 20:13 (Hades delivered up the dead)

Rev 20:14 (Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.)

Mat 11:23 (brought down to Hades)

 

I'm pretty sure they just gave it the name Tartarus because pretty much everyone has heard of it as a place where evil things are tossed into for ever and ever

 

Ya know, at least until they're needed to break out and cause some drama

[Steel Accord 6,660]

you may not be aware, but Tartarus- a place where Tirek was locked up in, is mentioned in the bible, a the place where Satan and his legions of fallen (demons) will be cast, after Armageddon.

 

Yeah, and? He's evil, of course he would be locked up in Hell. Why is showing the symbolic representative of Satan being damned to Hell subversive? If anything that supports Christian doctrine.

 

(Also Tartarus is even older than that. It was the place of the damned in the Greek Underworld where the likes of Sisyphus, Tantalus, and Cronus were imprisoned and punished.)

[ManaMinori 4,145]

Another lesson: the Inverted Cross IS ACTUALLY A CHRISTIAN SYMBOL

however, there are many false religions, even amongst "Christianity", and the symbols used by them ae in fact, Satanic, since he is the one misleading those in such religions. In fact, there's a scripture where Jesus even says that not everyone associating themselves with his name will be looked upon by him, or gain his favor, but many- because they call themselves Christian, but are following the works and using tools of Satan- will be destroyed

[Steel Accord 6,660]

Another lesson: the Inverted Cross IS ACTUALLY A CHRISTIAN SYMBOL

 

Poooooooooooor St. Pete.