(Possible S6 spoilers) Natural-born Alicorns make me uncomfortable

[The Nth Doctor 664]

Well, once she's fleshed out, I'm sure we'll have many "Cadence dumps her daughter on Twilight and sends her to school" fics where she'll go through hell because she's an Alicorn

 

Eyyy, Nyx is canon now!

 

Kinda

 

Different name and color and parents, but it's still an Alicorn filly everyone has mixed feelings over

[Manman20x6 359]

What kinda racism? This show is called My little pony. Kids don't really look into these kind of things, because they don't understand the concept of races.

 

We have a race that is naturally better than other races. That is the very definition of a master race, which is a concept preached by many racists.

 

It doesn't matter if it was intentional or not, or if kids care about it. The implications are still there.

[PacificGreen 1,163]

Her eyes make me uncomfortable. Can pierce through a mans soul.

I agree, I'm a sucker for cute, but, honestly, Flurry Heart is kinda overdoing it in that department.

[Mesme Rize 15,692]

We have a race that is naturally better than other races. That is the very definition of a master race, which is a concept preached by many racists.

 

It doesn't matter if it was intentional or not, or if kids care about it. The implications are still there.

 

Then i can't help you. If you see it that way, be my guest. I have no sort of problems with this, because in my eyes, you turn a little fly into a big elefant.

[Limeblossom 482]

Expanding the power creep of alicorns .

[Cleverclover 1,526]

I think that it's wrong to imply that Alicorns are powerful from the get go, considering how the other alicorns have been portrayed.

 

Celestia, when she is on screen, gets her butt kicked. Twilight barely looks any stronger, then she did when she an Alicorn. Luna, shows that her powers have limits. Cadance really didn't show any sort of fight.

 

Also, does it really matter how powerful characters are, if this is supposed to be a slice of life show? This is My little Pony and not Dragon Ball Z

 

 

Since when I have I agreed with you so much? 

[Unlikeable Pony 2,700]

Expanding the power creep of alicorns .

Soon we'll have SUPER ALICORN LEVEL TWOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

 

 

But seriously, we already had another alicorn appear in universe: Sunset shimmer became what amounts to an alicorn in the EQG universe, and I don't see people as up in arms as about flurry hearts

hell, human twilight became an alicorn in her universe just by poking around with random magic, no earning it at all.

Edited February 26, 2016 by Unlikeable Pony

[Mesme Rize 15,692]

 

Since when I have I agreed with you so much? 

 

Probably the moment when you decided to reply to me.

[Swifty 249]

Am I the only one who doesn't need an explanation for any of this because I genuinely do not care because the show is about cartoon horses and cartoon horse antics and so long as I get cartoon horse antics, I don't care. No one questions why Spongebob can have fire underwater and they even make jokes about it, but when it comes to MLP we all need an explanation of how a baby born could have both wings AND a horn like it's some illogical thing that we have real science behind debunking it.

 

Spongebob is crazy comedy, FiM should have some comprehensible lore, imo.

 

 

@Unlikeable Pony

I think, by now only a few of FiM fans take Equestria Girls seriously.

Edited February 26, 2016 by Swifty

[AlbaTross 1,586]

The fact that Cadance is able to have Alicorn offspring explains a lot. It was unknown whether a pony turned into an Alicorn had all of the properties of one, or just some, but this latest development proves that Cadance's DNA has completely shifted to that of an Alicorn. It's likely that the Alicorn gene is dominant too, or at the very least, expresses itself in any filly born of an Alicorn. Until there's evidence to support the notion of a male Alicorn I'm going to assume it's not possible.

 

It's assumed that Celestia and Luna are naturally born Alicorns so that must mean such a thing is possible. There's still a lot that's unknown about their origin. Since The Journal of the Two Sisters implies that they came from elsewhere we can maybe assume that there are other Alicorns elsewhere. If we accept the B canon of Twilight Sparkle and the Crystal Heart Spell, they have the power to turn other ponies into Alicorns (which was debatable in the season 3 finale). It's clear that they're a master race.

 

It's also possible that they rule with fear, whether that's their intention or not. The battle with Tirek suggests that the mean power for an Alicorn is more powerful than 25% of the pony population of Equestria combined as Twilight had the power of four Alicorns and Tirek had all the power from all the rest of the ponies, plus Discord and whatever base power he added to the equation, and Twilight was still winning. I believe the princesses have good intentions but if I were a pony in Equestria I would be way too afraid to rebel against them even if I wasn't content with their rule. Flurry Heart is a fifth Alicorn, so let's just say their position is more secure than ever. Perhaps they can slowly take over even more by interbreeding with other ponies. It would be at a snail's pace but it could happen. Then again, they really don't have to as they already rule Equestria.

[Blackshirt Brony 415]

The pony race is ruled by the alicorn class because the alicorns are naturally gifted with the abilities to perform such work. Every pony has a unique destiny which must be fulfilled to keep the classes united and Equestria in harmony. The message being sent is actually one of true freedom because it places the individual pony's nation, "people," and higher self-purpose above the senseless materialism of the ego which was favored by Starlight Glimmer.

[SilverStarApple 850]

Am I the only one who doesn't need an explanation for any of this because I genuinely do not care because the show is about cartoon horses and cartoon horse antics and so long as I get cartoon horse antics, I don't care. No one questions why Spongebob can have fire underwater and they even make jokes about it, but when it comes to MLP we all need an explanation of how a baby born could have both wings AND a horn like it's some illogical thing that we have real science behind debunking it.

The underwater fire was lampshaded. It was a joke.

 

This Alicorn's existence? Unless it's revealed to be one massive April Fools gag, it's one of the show's stupidest moves. The only thing that made Alicorns 3 and 4 ok was the idea that you could earn Alicornhood, that it was something that had to BE earned. And that 3 and 4 had done so. But this pony... She's been born, and she's already an Alicorn. That's like being born with money and power and fame and everything you could ever want in life, already given to you, simply because you were lucky enough to be born into this world by the right people.

Well, once she's fleshed out, I'm sure we'll have many "Cadence dumps her daughter on Twilight and sends her to school" fics where she'll go through hell because she's an Alicorn

 

Eyyy, Nyx is canon now!

 

Kinda

 

Different name and color and parents, but it's still an Alicorn filly everyone has mixed feelings over

I never understood why people liked Nyx. Did people just love the first five OCs to be made during the fandom's early days, and develop their anti-OC bias when the sonic fans started joining?

[Concerned Bystander 2,905]

I bet there won't be an explanation at all. It's just how it is.

I feel indifferent about it. Are alicorns the fourth pony race or just upgrades, which only unicorns can achieve? I don t know and the staff probably dont care.

 

Cadance was actually a Pegasus before she ascended.  And if both Unicorns and Pegasi can ascend then it seems a reasonable assumption that Earth Ponies can as well, if they met the necessary criteria.

 

Personally I dislike the whole concept of position or authority as a birth right.  The idea of an aristocratic race inheriting power without any merit goes against my egalitarian ideals.   But of course, it's a kids cartoon in this case, so it probably pays to not read too much into it.

 

I just hope that Flurry Heart doesn't become too much of a fixture in the program, she'll have her episode of course but hopefully then she'll just disappear into the background cast with her parents.

[Manman20x6 359]

She's been born, and she's already an Alicorn. That's like being born with money and power and fame and everything you could ever want in life, already given to you, simply because you were lucky enough to be born into this world by the right people.

 

This analogy explains perfectly why I don't like Flurry Heart. She's born with the power that everypony else has to earn through huge effort.

[TwilightAngel 109]

a bigger concern is why are her wings so unnaturally big? 

So they can sell more toys.

[Guest]

 

 

Spongebob is crazy comedy, FiM should have some comprehensible lore, imo.

 

Why? What reasoning do you have why MLP "needs" to have it? 

[Ashen Pathfinder 16,164]

I think that it's wrong to imply that Alicorns are powerful from the get go, considering how the other alicorns have been portrayed.

 

Celestia, when she is on screen, gets her butt kicked. Twilight barely looks any stronger, then she did when she an Alicorn. Luna, shows that her powers have limits. Cadance really didn't show any sort of fight.

 

Also, does it really matter how powerful characters are, if this is supposed to be a slice of life show? This is My little Pony and not Dragon Ball Z

 

 

Well said; IMO. And this was a point that Lilly Peet brought up in a recent video.

 

As you said; why are we automatically assuming that alicorns are just THAT much more powerful? Granted we had a juiced-up Chrysalis beating Celestia, but considering she was kidnapped fairly easily by vines (and tied-up by them in the show AND the comics), that a plant monster had competently fought Twilight and Cadence for a time, and we haven't seen much to suggest Luna is much better there...alicorns don't seem THAT impressive going by how fans have looked at them.

 

In regards to Celestia and Luna raising/lowering the sun and the moon; the Journal of the Two Sisters states that unicorns were doing it before the sisters took over; one being Starswirl himself. Now, the book also states that over time unicorns would be drained by having to that over a period of time and that alicorns weren't affected as such. Now; does this mean that alicorns are more powerful? Possibly, but considering that alicorns age differently from other ponies I would thing that it also suggests that their magic just works differently. Possibly more powerful, but not by THAT much.

 

Really; in my view the show never really states or even tries that hard to imply alicorns are THAT strong; we have little evidence to suggest that at all.

 

As for Flurry Heart herself; I have no problem with her being a natural-born alicorn. Really, I think that makes them that much more interested. The Journal hinted as such and now the show is supporting that. Nothing wrong with that at all.

[cider float 2,539]

I think that it's wrong to imply that Alicorns are powerful from the get go, considering how the other alicorns have been portrayed.

 

Celestia, when she is on screen, gets her butt kicked. Twilight barely looks any stronger, then she did when she an Alicorn. Luna, shows that her powers have limits. Cadance really didn't show any sort of fight.

 

Also, does it really matter how powerful characters are, if this is supposed to be a slice of life show? This is My little Pony and not Dragon Ball Z

I agree with all that but that doesn't change the fact that alicorns are alleviated above in social status above other ponies. Twilight couldn't be a princess unless she became an alicorn, why couldn't she just be an unicorn princess what's wrong with that? Every alicorn coming into existence is automatically given the title of princess which is arguably the highest title you can gain. It's not about magical power it's more that they are given a higher social status for their appearance from the get go that is bothering me and why this show constantly promotes that which isn't the message to give to children or even adults for that matter unless Equestria is supposed to be a dystopic fascist world.

Edited February 27, 2016 by cider float

[Mesme Rize 15,692]

I agree with all that but that doesn't change the fact that alicorns are alleviated above in social status above other ponies. Twilight couldn't be a princess unless she became an alicorn, why couldn't she just be an unicorn princess what's wrong with that? Every alicorn coming into existence is automatically given the title of princess which is arguably the highest title you can gain. It's not about magical power it's more that they are given a higher social status for their appearance from the get go that is bothering me and why this show constantly promotes that which isn't the message to give to children or even adults for that matter unless Equestria is supposed to be a dystopic fascist world.

 

First you say that being the princess as an alicorn are dumb and then you say being a princess as a unicorn is okay?

 

It's still the same social status eitherway, just without wings.

 

Also, the ponies in ponyville don't seem to mind the princesses being going around the town. Celestia likes to eat cake, Cadence goes around fairs Twilight, about Twilight we don't need to talk, etc. etc.

 

Again, i think we put way too much political thought into this show.

[cider float 2,539]

First you say that being the princess as an alicorn are dumb and then you say being a princess as a unicorn is okay?

 

It's still the same social status eitherway, just without wings.

 

Also, the ponies in ponyville don't seem to mind the princesses being going around the town. Celestia likes to eat cake, Cadence goes around fairs Twilight, about Twilight we don't need to talk, etc. etc.

 

Again, i think we put way too much political thought into this show

It's not the same. Unicorns cannot become princesses, earth ponies can't become princesses, pegasi can't become princesses... but then alicorns can be princesses? Completely bullshit. But if they made an unicorn become a princess by her own right than what you say has merit but that isn't the case, unicorns becoming princesses never happened. I'm saying if Twilight became a princess as an unicorn it would not make becoming an alicorn a requirement to be a princess.

[Mesme Rize 15,692]

It's not the same. Unicorns cannot become princesses, earth ponies can't become princesses, pegasi can't become princesses... but then alicorns can be princesses? Completely bullshit. But if they made an unicorn become a princess by her own right than what you say has merit but that isn't the case, unicorns becoming princesses never happened. I'm saying if Twilight became a princess as an unicorn it would not make becoming an alicorn a requirement to be a princess.

I guess we have to agree to disagree in that point. We see it incredibly here, because you look at this show very politically, while i really don't. Infact, i don't see any problems.

[cider float 2,539]

I guess we have to agree to disagree in that point. We see it incredibly here, because you look at this show very politically, while i really don't. Infact, i don't see any problems.

It may seem small to you but this sort of thing becoming accepted as the norm needs to stop, it's one of the reasons why there's so much wrong in the world.

[Mesme Rize 15,692]

It may seem small to you but this sort of thing becoming accepted as the norm needs to stop, it's one of the reasons why there's so much wrong in the world.

 

You think the fate of the world, lies in TV writers, making TV Shows?

 

I know what is right and wrong for me. But i certainly didn't learned that from watching cartoon shows.

[cider float 2,539]

You think the fate of the world, lies in TV writers, making TV Shows?

 

I know what is right and wrong for me. But i certainly didn't learned that from watching cartoon shows.

It is found everywhere. Cartoons do play a part in it, not going to just sit here and say this normalization is right.

[Mesme Rize 15,692]

It is found everywhere. Cartoons do play a part in it, not going to just sit here and say this normalization is right.

 

Please, speak yourself out. I am kinda curious now to be honest.