Fellow Starlight haters: Could she ever be made likeable? How?

[Goat-kun 2,527]

Prepare the patient for the Flash procedure! Now, I’m legally obligated to tell you all that I’m not in fact a real poneologist, but if we find ourselves a working Phlebotinum extractor, we might be able to pull this off regardless. We’ll also need some stuff that at least reminds you of the basic surgical tools, and a place with relatively aseptic conditions. Some strong liquor would be welcome too (I’m partial to gin myself).

 

Once we’re done with Starlight, she’ll be the best background character that ever backgrounded the background! We can even throw in the marriage with that orange dude. You know, the one with glasses. I only want the marriage because of Spike’s bachelor party episode, but you Starlight fans can still think of me as a nice person, right.

[EmeraldStar04 250]

Seriously how did another forum about Starlight Glimmer turn into another I love/hate Starlight Glimmer forum? We were supposed to be talking about whether or not Starlight is OP, but now it's just another fighting about whether or not Starlight is a good/bad character again. Seriously when is this ever going to end, and who started it in the first place?

No we're not. The fact that you think it is says something about Little Miss Spotlight-stealing Sue.

 

This is an MLP forum, and I made a thread asking my fellow starlight haters how she could be redeemed. Duh.

[Peter16373 103]

No we're not. The fact that you think it is says something about Little Miss Spotlight-stealing Sue.

 

This is an MLP forum, and I made a thread asking my fellow starlight haters how she could be redeemed. Duh.

Whoops sorry posted on the wrong forum.

[Megas 27,711]

 

 

Yeah because there were NEVER deus ex machinas with the actual mane 6 before right? To explain some of what you prolly think though, they were in a state of emergency, there was little time for character interactions.

 

 

Don't see how that first part has anything to do with what I said, and we had just had an entire season where they could've given episodes with her building her friendships with the remane 5, but instead they wasted it on brainwashing. I want to see them portrayed as her friends instead of tools

 

 

 

 Nothing can make the Starlight haters come around they are irrational and choose to hate her no matter, what while half of them suck off Sunset Shimmer despite her completely broken characterization and frankly being entirely boring past Rainbow Rocks. It disgust me, the sheer bias Im honestly just completely sick of Starlights haters and can't tolerate them anymore. Their almost all hypocrites and just flat out wrong about almost everything. 

 

It's not like Starlight has her own set of problems that has absolutely nothing to do with Sunset Shimmer, but NOPE gotta needlessly attack and belittle Sunset fans 

[Zamasu 20]

From what I've seen, most of the people that dislike Starlight tend to have a very low IQ.

 

I guess the only thing they can do to "fix" that is to make her one-dimensional and boring like Sunset,

but then it would make the more intelligent people lose interest.

 

You can't please everyone.

[LeafFerret 3,382]

From what I've seen, most of the people that dislike Starlight tend to have a very low IQ.

 

I guess the only thing they can do to "fix" that is to make her one-dimensional and boring like Sunset,

but then it would make the more intelligent people lose interest.

 

You can't please everyone.

That second point, I agree with the most, that's what I fear about the show the most, I just wished we had more ponies like Starlight who didn't just follow one trait and had an interesting backstory. I started losing interest of the Mane 6 with the exception of AJ for that reason.

[Ninjaed 526]

 Nothing can make the Starlight haters come around they are irrational and choose to hate her no matter, what while half of them suck off Sunset Shimmer despite her completely broken characterization and frankly being entirely boring past Rainbow Rocks.

 

It disgust me, the sheer bias Im honestly just completely sick of Starlights haters and can't tolerate them anymore. Their almost all hypocrites and just flat out wrong about almost everything. 

 

Please do not hate other bronies, even if they're vocal about it. They're all fellow lovers of this show about friendship, love and tolerance. We can't all have the same likes and dislikes.

 

That being said, hating on false grounds is why there's such a reaction. Despite a few posts saying Starlight never tried to destroy Equestria for the sake of destroying Equestria, we still got some saying just that... And it's plain wrong. Demonstrably so.

 

As for being a Mary Sue? RD made a Sonic Rainboom when she was a filly, Twilight became an alicorn and managed to reproduce Stalight's spell after seeing it once even though it took Starlight years of practice, all the Mane 6 get to go scot-free regardless of the problems they caused (RD in Tanks for the memorie), and the list goes on...

They're cartoon characters, of COURSE they'll be Mary Sues to some extent. And Starlight is NOT stronger than Twilight. On equal footing with Twilight without her alicorn magic? Perhaps. With her alicorn magic? Not a chance. Wait, what alicorn magic? She's the princess of friendship, so there's your answer.

 

BACK ON TOPIC!! Regardless of whether you hate or love Starlight, one thing that would make her more likeable and that she needs if she is to be a recurring character is not being limited to the angst-dealing episodes. She will have to grow past that, have more mundane slice-of-life issues to deal with, find solutions together with her friends. She's still an oddball right now and has to become more of a real friend instead of a pony in need.

[EmeraldStar04 250]

From what I've seen, most of the people that dislike Starlight tend to have a very low IQ.

 

I guess the only thing they can do to "fix" that is to make her one-dimensional and boring like Sunset,

but then it would make the more intelligent people lose interest.

 

You can't please everyone.

I just spat my drink all over my table. Get over here and lick it up.

Please do not hate other bronies, even if they're vocal about it. They're all fellow lovers of this show about friendship, love and tolerance. We can't all have the same likes and dislikes.

 

That being said, hating on false grounds is why there's such a reaction. Despite a few posts saying Starlight never tried to destroy Equestria for the sake of destroying Equestria, we still got some saying just that... And it's plain wrong. Demonstrably so.

 

As for being a Mary Sue? RD made a Sonic Rainboom when she was a filly, Twilight became an alicorn and managed to reproduce Stalight's spell after seeing it once even though it took Starlight years of practice, all the Mane 6 get to go scot-free regardless of the problems they caused (RD in Tanks for the memorie), and the list goes on...

They're cartoon characters, of COURSE they'll be Mary Sues to some extent. And Starlight is NOT stronger than Twilight. On equal footing with Twilight without her alicorn magic? Perhaps. With her alicorn magic? Not a chance. Wait, what alicorn magic? She's the princess of friendship, so there's your answer.

 

BACK ON TOPIC!! Regardless of whether you hate or love Starlight, one thing that would make her more likeable and that she needs if she is to be a recurring character is not being limited to the angst-dealing episodes. She will have to grow past that, have more mundane slice-of-life issues to deal with, find solutions together with her friends. She's still an oddball right now and has to become more of a real friend instead of a pony in need.

There's a clear difference between being good at what you do and having a Mary Sue card around your neck like a hall pass. Or in this case, a "Get away with creating a cult village, causing horrible mental damage, attacking a Princess, meddling in Cutie Marks, removing another pony's Cutie Marks, doing so against their will in the cases of the mane six, brainwashing, more brainwashing, creating alternate timelines full of death and destruction and misery ALL BECAUSE YOUR BEST FRIEND LEFT YOU AS A FILLY WHEN HE OUTGREW YOU AND YOUR TOWN, magic-based brainwashing, messing up Twilight's castle, and being worse than Pony Satan for free" card.

 

I didn't say she ruined Equestria over and over ON PURPOSE. That doesn't change the fact that she DID. Why? To anger Twilight. She damaged the timeline to anger Twilight, who already disproved her stupid femicommunist theory whether she's willing to understand that or not.

 

 

Don't see how that first part has anything to do with what I said, and we had just had an entire season where they could've given episodes with her building her friendships with the remane 5, but instead they wasted it on brainwashing. I want to see them portrayed as her friends instead of tools

 

 

It's not like Starlight has her own set of problems that has absolutely nothing to do with Sunset Shimmer, but NOPE gotta needlessly attack and belittle Sunset fans

Tools. That's a good way to put it on both levels. In universe, Starlight only sees ponies as tools to use, be it for completing friendship lessons or destroying the timeline or defeating Chrysalis. Any dissent or free thought is to be stamped out, even if it's good points like "Maybe Cutie Marks are good" or "Maybe we can't do everything where you want, and stuff would be better if done elsewhere". NOPE, STAMP OUT ALL FREE THOUGHT, COMMUNIST-KUN.

 

And from an out-universe viewpoint, characters are being used as tools again and again to give Starlight plots anypony could solve like the finale or episodes where she's supposed to look good but instead looks worse.

 

Btw, I had a new idea. You know what would make Starlight bearable? If it turned out she never really reformed and was playing the long game because she's that determined to ruin Twilight's life. A villain you hate is a good villain, a hero you hate is a bad hero.

[Dark Qiviut 22,439]

 

 

Btw, I had a new idea. You know what would make Starlight bearable? If it turned out she never really reformed and was playing the long game because she's that determined to ruin Twilight's life.

That's the worst decision this show can make right now. Starlight wants to be a better pony and still struggles. For it to be a complete ruse is completely out of character of her and suggests to the audience that DHX gave up on her.

[EmeraldStar04 250]

That's the worst decision this show can make right now. Starlight wants to be a better pony and still struggles. For it to be a complete ruse is completely out of character of her and suggests to the audience that DHX gave up on her.

It seems like she makes mistakes, but doesn't really struggle. She does what she wants and doesn't understand morality at all. Twi should make her read books on that and write papers on it.

[Dark Qiviut 22,439]

It seems like she makes mistakes, but doesn't really struggle.

Actually, she does struggle.

1. The Crystalling: Uncomfortable around Sunburst and attempted diversion tactics with Spike in order to not complete the lesson.
2. NSP: Tried to become friends with Trixie, only for Twilight to become overprotective and getting in their way.
3. Every Little Thing: Lies to Twilight about her friendship lessons and then tries to cover things up by hypnotizing her friends to not disappoint her.

Mary Sue

Wrong. Starlight is NOT a Sue. If she were to truly be a Sue, she'd be a completely flawless character whose plights are always treated as in the right. Starlight has conflicts to solve, feels guilty for her mistakes, and wants to be good. The only character closest to being a Sue in the A canon is Flash Sentry.

 

Her real problems as a protagonist are as follows:

1. Lack of usage. Her whole arc takes place whenever the script feels like it. Her becoming a mane character is a serious shatter of the status quo, but you must treat it with respect. In the second half, she barely appeared. DHX's habit here hurt her arc.
2. Inconsistent episode quality. There are some good, an average episode, and two awful (NSP, the finale). To make people want to follow her arc and believe her, you need a greater quality AND quantity. Neither happen.
3. Her strengths don't come into play till in the resolution. For all the "Mary Sue" talk, Starlight's strengths take a back seat most of the time in favor of her biggest weaknesses: biting off more than she can chew and resorting to the most extreme measures to solve cases. Her arc would succeed more if there was a better balance.

Edited October 29, 2016 by Dark Qiviut

[BastementSparkle 20,326]

 

 

There's a clear difference between being good at what you do and having a Mary Sue card around your neck like a hall pass.

 

Okay, said I wouldn't preach the glory of Glimmer here...and I won't, but this argument bothers me not just when it's applied to Starlight, but when it's applied to other characters too. Like Twilight, who get's called this all the time.

 

 Starlight Glimmer so far, is a pretty flawed character. She's insecure in herself, she's afraid of failure, she relies on her magic far too much, she doesn't seem to always fully grasp the possible consequences and implications of her actions. She's made mistakes, and she's failed at things. She failed to understand what Twilight's friendship lessons were about, she failed to befriend Chrysalis even though she tried.

 

 Starlight Glimmer might be powerful, intelligent and creative, maybe more so than you think she should be, and you might feel she get's away with more than she should...But she is not a Mary Sue. A Mary Sue wouldn't fail, make mistakes, or have such large personality flaws. A Mary Sue is perfect, Starlight is far, far away from being perfect.

 

 So, if you dislike Starlight? Fine, I'm not here to convince you. But Starlight isn't a Mary Sue.

[EmeraldStar04 250]

Your question is kind of pointless, since you won't be able to know if i'm telling the truth.

Then again, if you knew you are talking to a genius, would it change your mind?

Kek. Your response speaks volumes about your character, in every sense of the word.

 

And if you're supposedly a genius, why are you trying to impress me with the big words you have the time to write instead of telling me why I'm "Factually wrong on every point", as you so eloquently put it. I see a lot of smack talk from you, but nothing solid, nothing real. You aren't debating here, you're trying to shock me into submission with what you actually consider impressive dance skills. Step up your game.

[Ninjaed 526]

There you go again, calling someone stupid and acting like that makes it so. Who are you, anyway? Why do you think so highly of yourself that you believe saying something makes it so? What accomplishments do you have to your name?

 

Please do not be so vehement. I agree Zamasu should try not to call you stupid, but you're being also quite insulting yourself. So keep it civil.

 

As for your post replying to mine, being Twilight's student IS her "punishment". It might not seem like one, but think. What is punishment for in the first place? Hurting for the sake of satisfying some? When you're punished by your parents, it means you have done something wrong and are punished to teach you 'not to do it again' and become a better person.

What would sending her to Tartarus or whatnot achieve, aside from satisfying you? Starlight would be alone, without understanding why what she did was wrong. Eventually, she might break down and either repeat her past mistakes or be easily tricked by a villain to help them in their plans. And given Starlight's power, that's a really bad thing to do. Punishing her in that way would be one of the worst things to do in this case. You'd be satisfied in your need to see her suffer, but that'd be it. Nothing good would come of it in the long run.

 

And I'm sad, you didn't touch my suggestion actually touching upon the very topic of this thread

Edited October 29, 2016 by Ninjaed

[KrazyDashie 1,847]

I said I didn't see a point in saying my explanation since Starlight lovers never understand or want to understand or accept that some people require more than overwhelming power and pretty light shows to fall in love with a character, and can bring up reasons to not like the character they hate admitting exists. Kinda dumb in retrospect, but I think this thread was nicer before the Starlight lovers showed up to cry.

you never actually said that you didn't see a point of saying an explaination. you just said we ignore you and don't understand because of your "explaination"

[EmeraldStar04 250]

Okay, said I wouldn't preach the glory of Glimmer here...and I won't, but this argument bothers me not just when it's applied to Starlight, but when it's applied to other characters too. Like Twilight, who get's called this all the time.

 

Starlight Glimmer so far, is a pretty flawed character. She's insecure in herself, she's afraid of failure, she relies on her magic far too much, she doesn't seem to always fully grasp the possible consequences and implications of her actions. She's made mistakes, and she's failed at things. She failed to understand what Twilight's friendship lessons were about, she failed to befriend Chrysalis even though she tried.

 

Starlight Glimmer might be powerful, intelligent and creative, maybe more so than you think she should be, and you might feel she get's away with more than she should...But she is not a Mary Sue. A Mary Sue wouldn't fail, make mistakes, or have such large personality flaws. A Mary Sue is perfect, Starlight is far, far away from being perfect.

 

So, if you dislike Starlight? Fine, I'm not here to convince you. But Starlight isn't a Mary Sue.

A Mary Sue isn't a collection of traits, despite what some garbage-eating fartass insists is the case when he whines about OCs. A Mary Sue is made a sue by how the world treats her. The world treats Starlight Glimmer unfairly well.

[Unlikeable Pony 2,698]

Prepare the patient for the Flash procedure! Now, I’m legally obligated to tell you all that I’m not in fact a real poneologist, but if we find ourselves a working Phlebotinum extractor, we might be able to pull this off regardless. We’ll also need some stuff that at least reminds you of the basic surgical tools, and a place with relatively aseptic conditions. Some strong liquor would be welcome too (I’m partial to gin myself).

 

Once we’re done with Starlight, she’ll be the best background character that ever backgrounded the background! We can even throw in the marriage with that orange dude. You know, the one with glasses. I only want the marriage because of Spike’s bachelor party episode, but you Starlight fans can still think of me as a nice person, right.

I actually rather like Sunburst, truth be told

Kind of sad, in that I HATE starlight and the two are kind of a package deal >.< so I can't get him without her as well.

[EmeraldStar04 250]

you never actually said that you didn't see a point of saying an explaination. you just said we ignore you and don't understand because of your "explaination"

 

and well... no offence but I think you are the only one really crying here... and this thread is pure drama and you know it

See, this is why I didn't want people like you and Zamasu posting here. You all team up, and despite being wrong, you tell each other you're right.

 

I made this thread because I wanted an intellectual discussion, not the kind of thing you'd see on r/IAmVerySmart.

[KrazyDashie 1,847]

See, this is why I didn't want people like you and Zamasu posting here. You all team up, and despite being wrong, you tell each other you're right.

 

I made this thread because I wanted an intellectual discussion, not the kind of thing you'd see on r/IAmVerySmart.

I never made a wrong statement, or even said I was right. all my posts were correcting what you have said.

[EmeraldStar04 250]

Hold up, you with the pinkie avatar, you're a staff member? How did you become a staff member?

I never made a wrong statement, or even said I was right. all my posts were correcting what you have said.

You kinda just did make a wrong statement. Look at the post with all the emoticons.

Edited October 29, 2016 by EmeraldStar04

[BastementSparkle 20,326]

A Mary Sue isn't a collection of traits, despite what some garbage-eating fartass insists is the case when he whines about OCs. A Mary Sue is made a sue by how the world treats her. The world treats Starlight Glimmer unfairly well.

 

Oh, I won't deny the ponies around her treat her well despite her flaws. The Mane six and her village have been very forgiving, I think this shows great kindness on their part.

 

 However, she isn't treated perfectly either. When she was a villain, she was clearly in the wrong, and Every Little thing she does makes it pretty clear, yet again that she was in the wrong. Twilight is disappointed in her, Rainbow yelled at her, she had to clean up the castle to make up for what she did, and apologize. You may think the treatment was too light, fair enough. But they didn't just totally ignore what she did wrong and act like she was in the right.

 

 Also, like I said, a Mary Sue also has to be perfect themselves, which Starlight isn't.

[KrazyDashie 1,847]

Hold up, you with the pinkie avatar, you're a staff member? How did you become a staff member?

I... applied and got accepted?

 

all I did was correct you. because you said the wrong things a bunch. like how drama did start on this place, how you kind start the drama by replying and also how you didn't state that you made or didn't see any point of making an explanation. all you said was that we ignore you and don't understand why we you hate her, and did not say why you did. (until later anyway) I was just correcting you,

[EmeraldStar04 250]

I... applied and got accepted?

Look at Zamasu's posts. Look at the insults. Look at the grandstanding. Then look at my posts, where instead of taking his bait, I rise above him and reveal him for what he is. Then look at your post with all the emoticons, and ask yourself if that's really true.

 

Then tell me what a staff member is doing here and if Zamasu reported me. Then tell me if I should block Zamasu for being a talentless troll, or if you're going to handle that.

Edited October 29, 2016 by EmeraldStar04

[KrazyDashie 1,847]

Look at Zamasu's posts. Look at the insults. Look at the grandstanding. Then look at my posts, where instead of taking his bait, I rise above him and reveal him for what he is. Then look at your post with all the emoticons, and ask yourself if that's really true.

 

Then tell me what a staff member is doing here and if Zamasu reported me.

you honestly could have ignored him instead of saying "I spat my drink over the table. come here and lick it up"

 

and whats wrong if im a staff member? I can post things too ya know

[EmeraldStar04 250]

Update: In light of recent events (Finding out that Zamasu is an anti-brony troll) I have decided to add him to my ignore list.

you honestly could have ignored him instead of saying "I spat my drink over the table. come here and lick it up"

 

and whats wrong if im a staff member? I can post things too ya know

Did you see what he said to make me spit out my drink? It's pretty mean, and dumb, and something I wasn't expecting to see here.

 

Also sure, you can post here. But only if you admit that this thread isn't supposed to start drama, Starlight fanboys I asked not to post are trying to start that drama and I'm shooting that drama down with every post #LIKEABOSS.