Socialism is as bad as Fascism

[Rufus 0]

And TYT is terrible neo marxist channel

I am so sick of those guys. I live in Norway. we are not democratic socialist btw, we are social democracy. I think Bernie seems disingenous just to sell socialism to gullbile american voters and just saying stuff we have to get his utopia in.

Either case if he mislabels yeah dont vote for him or trust him is my advice. Here is either case why i hate them. They are essentially a neo marxist media channel making dumb stuff up, purely socialist. Socialism is evil because it drives on a fantasy dream that if you let it run a country it will magically be better or maybe the world. Its not productive to say the least in terms of economy or well beings. But you could argue its worse than fascism because atleast fascism is honest about being a cold bad system of not looking after the weak, while Socialism is trying to sell itself as a fantasy utopian dream, i mean socialism or communism its essentially about the same.

But norway has social democracy that means it has capitalism as main model of income, social programs is what we have which is not socialism our government has zero of that as mainframe, what it means is welfare, health care is in social programs or unequality.

The difference is our system is set up to fight realistically problems in society like unequality, poverty etc.

Socialism is more or less a cartoon mentality of class struggle meaning that if you are like minority you can do as much crime as you want "neo marxist view atleast" and somehow its the majority's fault because of environments or whatever so its a belief of never ending battle between oppressors and the oppressed.

But considering Cenk Yoghurt or whatever his name is, is like an apologetic USSR Turk islamist it wouldnt surprise me why this would suit his idea view of how the world should be.

Instead of being against actual bad ideas which socialism and fascism are both idiotic, if anything they should go out in the woods and kiss and stay there and let liberals and conservatives like actual adults take care of the society without these extreme nutjobs being let in. Thats just my view.

What is your opinion?

Edit: If anything i recommend Nightmare Fuel and Sargon of Akkad, those are better to get views from, those are better than one i talked about.

Edited August 1, 2018 by Rufus

[Olly 1,011]

My opinion is that socialism is just fantastic and is nothing like fascism. The end.

[Rufus 0]

3 minutes ago, Olly said:

My opinion is that socialism is just fantastic and is nothing like fascism. The end.

It is fantastic for poverty, non productive environments. Absolutely.

[Olly 1,011]

3 minutes ago, Rufus said:

It is fantastic for poverty, non productive environments. Absolutely.

Sweden and canada are the greatest nations on earth what planet are you on sir

also define "productive" 

Edited August 1, 2018 by Olly

[Rufus 0]

7 minutes ago, Olly said:

Sweden and canada are the greatest nations on earth what planet are you on sir

Yeah and criminals from minority backgrounds are rewarded for crime, not held accountable equally as everybody because in a socialist society its a cartoon view of class struggle. So its literally what is it in USA? White priviledge rich men's fault or something lol. So if you are a minority go nuts. Example would be Rotterham incident in UK, Police didn't do anything of fear of being called racist because to a socialist everything is racist "not actual racism problem to fix like anti discrimination laws or anti harasment". UK may not be like socialist who knows but their overall structure on how to deal with issues and mentality tells me otherwise. Speaking of which doesnt Sweden have kinda those type of problems too? But yes if you want to call that heaven then be my guest.

So to use an example, if i were to report on this i'd be a racist right?. In USA you atleast can report on it and police are held accountable if they dont do their jobs. In UK its different because hate speech laws, but free speech in USA or other open free democracies the only thing you'd be guilty of is looking silly and having your facts wrong.

also define "productive" 

Emm... poverty, starvation. You know no economic income means the population starves. No efficient way to boost the economy. Want example, look at Venezuela, USSR or anything with Socialist/Communist run regime in history

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJBjjP8WSbc

 

Edited August 1, 2018 by Rufus

[Cwanky 17,590]

You are grossly confusing socialism for communism. This is like comparing capitalism to fascism.

For the record, many modern democracies and societies have successfully adopted and implemented elements of both “socialism” and “capitalism” so the comparison is not as black and white as some would believe.

[Unity 332]

First of all. Wrong place, show be in Sugarcube corner if it even is allowed on these forums.

second of all, these are opinions, but you have one of the worst opinions i have ever seen.

Socialism Helps everyone. While it is sort of a trust system it is good for everybody.

Fascism is more like Communism, but everyone that is not one race usually gets killed.

While Fascism is a good way to make a group *stronger* the means of which that is acquired is horrible.

[Olly 1,011]

4 minutes ago, Rufus said:

Yeah and criminals from minority backgrounds are rewarded for crime, not held accountable equally as everybody because in a socialist society its a cartoon view of class struggle. So its literally what is it in USA? White priviledge rich men's fault or something lol. So if you are a minority go nuts. Example would be Rotterham incident in UK, Police didn't do anything of fear of being called racist because to a socialist everything is racist "not actual racism problem to fix like anti discrimination laws or anti harasment". UK may not be like socialist who knows but their overall structure on how to deal with issues and mentality tells me otherwise. Speaking of which doesnt Sweden have kinda those type of problems too? But yes if you want to call that heaven then be my guest.

So to use an example, if i were to report on this i'd be a racist right?. In USA you atleast can report on it and police are held accountable if they dont do their jobs. In UK its different because hate speech laws, but free speech in USA or other open free democracies the only thing you'd be guilty of is looking silly and having your facts wrong.

 

Im kidding I just want you to focus your thoughts. I don't think it's socialism you're mad at, maybe it's something else?

[Rufus 0]

2 minutes ago, Cwanky said:

You are grossly confusing socialism for communism. This is like comparing capitalism to fascism.

For the record, many modern democracies and societies have successfully adopted and implemented elements of both “socialism” and “capitalism” so the comparison is not as black and white as some would believe.

Dude they are both the same crappy systems. Its like saying fascism is better than nazism, just let it die jeez. The thing with Socialism is its about denying reality, fascism is about not looking after the weak

Edited August 1, 2018 by Rufus

[Unity 332]

1 minute ago, Rufus said:

Dude they are both the same crappy systems. Its like saying fascism is better than nazism, just let it die jeez. The thing with Socialism is its about denying reality, fascism is about being cold and apathetic

Communism is Very Very corrupt.

Socialism can be but relies more on a larger group to make decisions which will still go to helping everyone.

[Rufus 0]

1 minute ago, Unity said:

First of all. Wrong place, show be in Sugarcube corner if it even is allowed on these forums.

second of all, these are opinions, but you have one of the worst opinions i have ever seen.

Socialism Helps everyone. While it is sort of a trust system it is good for everybody.

Fascism is more like Communism, but everyone that is not one race usually gets killed.

While Fascism is a good way to make a group *stronger* the means of which that is acquired is horrible.

No fascism and nazism is sorta authoritarian in the sense of being into cold ways of not helping weak or poor. Socialism and communism is a fantasy land of saying how nice it will be and in the end turns it to crap. Its a unrealistic fairy tale of make beliefs. This is purely what Scandinavia doesnt have as a mainframe model, we are capitalist with social programs like welfare and health care, you could argue japan is the same with Capitalism and neo liberal laws of welfare and health care. Meaning zero socialism. So no, we dont have it period.

[Unity 332]

1 minute ago, Rufus said:

No fascism and nazism is sorta authoritarian in the sense of being into cold ways of not helping weak or poor. Socialism and communism is a fantasy land of saying how nice it will be and in the end turns it to crap. Its a unrealistic fairy tale of make beliefs. This is purely what Scandinavia doesnt have as a mainframe model, we are capitalist with social programs like welfare and health care, you could argue japan is the same with Capitalism and neo liberal laws of welfare and health care. Meaning zero socialism. So no, we dont have it period.

Socialism can certainly happen and while it is harder to achieve the end result is amazing.

Socialism is not a made up thing but sort of requires good people to run it.

and also i am not sure how you can compare an ideology that is about racial cleansing and one that is about helping everyone.

[Here No Longer 5,276]

4 minutes ago, Rufus said:

Dude they are both the same crappy systems.

Its like saying fascism is better than nazism, just let it die jeez.

The thing with Socialism is its about denying reality, fascism is about not looking after the weak

 

No they are not. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about and trying to cause problems. It doesn't help this idea that you posted this thread in the wrong f***ing place. 

No it isn't. Nazism, actually was initially a socialist philosophy. But then Hitler made it fascism. Yet again cementing your likely intentional ignorance on this topic. Which is funny for somebody starting a thread on this sort of topic.

That doesn't even make sense.

 

[Rufus 0]

11 minutes ago, Unity said:

Socialism can certainly happen and while it is harder to achieve the end result is amazing.

Socialism is not a made up thing but sort of requires good people to run it.

and also i am not sure how you can compare an ideology that is about racial cleansing and one that is about helping everyone.

Because helping people means also helping them hate the oppressors. Its a cartoon world that is not meant to help anyone but a never ending battle. Their solution is replace whoever is in power and may be worse really, its purely anarchy. Atleast our system is meant to help people on equal scale to spot problems in society of actually hold people accountable if they do bad on a equal level. Socialism see it in black and white, you THE BAD GUYS should be taken down by THE GOOD GUYS.

Aka this only helps one side but not the other side, so it continues forever. Unless it just collapses, who knows. Either way socialism is a failure its only sold to gullible people just as Fascism was.

8 minutes ago, A Cynical Millenial said:

No they are not. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about and trying to cause problems. It doesn't help this idea that you posted this thread in the wrong f***ing place. 

No it isn't. Nazism, actually was initially a socialist philosophy. But then Hitler made it fascism. Yet again cementing your likely intentional ignorance on this topic. Which is funny for somebody starting a thread on this sort of topic.

That doesn't even make sense.

 

Well he especially called it National socialist. Not sure but i assume socialism in his regard was being social to his nationality? So i guess in his definition it would be a national friend, not to be confused with actual socialism.

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[Here No Longer 5,276]

7 minutes ago, Rufus said:

Well he especially called it National socialist. Doesnt Socialist means comrade or friend or something? So i guess in his definition it would be a national friend, not to be confused with actual socialism.

....? It actually was more like a socialist party before Hitler took over the party and turned it into a fascist party was what I was saying. He didn't call it that, it was called that way back in 1920 when it was actually created. 

[Unity 332]

what is your perfect ideology?

[FizzyWind 64]

Fascism can’t be compared to socialism. They are both completley different things. Socialism is oriented around economics and how thing are organized. Fascism is a worldview oriented around unity, nationalism, class collaboration, social cohesion and other elements in regards to the nation. You seem very misinformed about these subjects tbqh.

[FizzyWind 64]

55 minutes ago, Unity said:

Communism is Very Very corrupt.

Socialism can be but relies more on a larger group to make decisions which will still go to helping everyone.

Communism is the theoretical result of marxist socialism. The Lenin quote is correct from a marxist perspective in that the goal of socialism should be communism, a classless, stateless, egalitarian society.

51 minutes ago, Unity said:

Socialism can certainly happen and while it is harder to achieve the end result is amazing.

Socialism is not a made up thing but sort of requires good people to run it.

and also i am not sure how you can compare an ideology that is about racial cleansing and one that is about helping everyone.

National Socialism wasn’t socialist in the common sense moreso it was based on a “socialism of duty” intertwined with collectivist thought in that man should work for the good of society collectivley. National socialism was racially nordicist but nothing about it was about “racial cleansing” beleiving in the superiority of or inferiority of a race doesn’t classify as racial cleansing. 

54 minutes ago, Rufus said:

No fascism and nazism is sorta authoritarian in the sense of being into cold ways of not helping weak or poor. Socialism and communism is a fantasy land of saying how nice it will be and in the end turns it to crap. Its a unrealistic fairy tale of make beliefs. This is purely what Scandinavia doesnt have as a mainframe model, we are capitalist with social programs like welfare and health care, you could argue japan is the same with Capitalism and neo liberal laws of welfare and health care. Meaning zero socialism. So no, we dont have it period.

 National Socialism is a fascist idelogy and fascism is a worldview. Also if i recall correctly the nazis instituted many programs and such to help the poor starving german families and jumpstart the economy. Socialism and Communism are different things and scandinavia isn’t socialist they are social democrats which is still capitalist. The whole not helping poor and weak argument is bs and you know it. It doesn’t take much to know this.

Edited August 1, 2018 by The Whiteraven

[honk friend 1,978]

First of all, this should be in the debate pit.

Second, the misinformation and misunderstandings about socialism in communism, as well as the downplaying of fascism in this thread is disgusting and headache-inducing

Third, quit using the damn Applejack emote as a replacement for the "crazy" one, it's just as bad and you're just as annoying for using it.

[Rufus 0]

1 hour ago, Annie said:

First of all, this should be in the debate pit.

Second, the misinformation and misunderstandings about socialism in communism, as well as the downplaying of fascism in this thread is disgusting and headache-inducing

Third, quit using the damn Applejack emote as a replacement for the "crazy" one, it's just as bad and you're just as annoying for using it.

Underplaying Socialism has been a thing too long. Fascism we atleast know they are evil, but it takes a true evil to disguise it. Manipulative system are there for those reasons. Lots of factors of evil i have already mentioned, but its pretty much needed to get more people talking about it

Not to be confused with Liberals or Conservatives, those are the ok people in society. We dont need either fascism or socialism to run our destiny or future anymore

Edited August 1, 2018 by Rufus

[RDDash 19,189]

Socialism is just a system that current capitalistic system would not allow. For example the idea of universal health care is madness that people would not want.

Edited August 1, 2018 by R.D.Dash

[Jeric 46,852]

Political topics by nature are restricted to Debate Pit. As the OP is has not reach that level to create topics there I am closing this discussion instead of moving it to an area where he could not participate in yet. 

It is also worth mentioning that the framing and lack of research in the OP would likely make the staff consider closing this in DP. When an OP mentioned actors of interest and states that he didn't even review the correct spelling of the name, the OP's position is weakened leading to a less polished debate on the issues. When we say debate has a high theshold for what we consider quality discussion starters we aren't kidding.