Magic affiliation of non-pones

[Goat-kun 2,531]

Canon in theory:

• Unicorns: magic

• Pegasi: control the weather

• Earth pony: grow stuff

 

Canon in practice:

• Unicorns: can literally do anything

• Pegasi: the ability to go fast and beat clouds with your hooves

• Earth ponies: magical ability to do menial labor without feeling bad about it

 

But what do other creatures like cows, sheep, goats, or deer have as their magic? How about griffins and dragons?

[Ittoni 538]

as Yona says "Yona's friendship is magic".

Aside from that:

dragons can withstand fire and lava and can breath fire.

griffins can just fly i guess

cows, sheep, goats, deer and giraffes can speak... some of them

hippogriphs can turn into sea ponies (though with the help of the pearl magic so i don't know if that counts)

changelings can turn into anything and gain that thing's abilities (changelings the true master race)

[Goat-kun 2,531]

3 hours ago, Ittoni said:

as Yona says "Yona's friendship is magic".

Aside from that:

dragons can withstand fire and lava and can breath fire.

griffins can just fly i guess

cows, sheep, goats, deer and giraffes can speak... some of them

hippogriphs can turn into sea ponies (though with the help of the pearl magic so i don't know if that counts)

changelings can turn into anything and gain that thing's abilities (changelings the true master race)

By that logic any ling could change into an alicorn or Discord and you'd have an army of alicorns and chaos spirits. Lings don't get the abilities upon transformation.

 

 

To an observer, non-fantastical ungulates, yaks included, are basically earth ponies in that they do not have any specific magical ability or supernatural attribute.

 

 

Griffins seem to be pegasi, but better since their bodies are a Swiss army knife compared to a kitchen butter knife of a pegasi horse body. They can pretty much do anything a pegasus can and the only thing that's keeping them back is the -1000 negative plot armor. A courtesy of our glorious writers.

 

 

Dragons have whatever bullshit ability plot demands them to so they are kinda like unicorns in that regard, but they do have a consistent affinity to elements of earth and fire.

 

 

Hippogriffs are less cool griffins made for toy sales. Indeed, Pearl of Transformation that allows their metamorphosis is an artifact and thus doesn't count as their own magic. Note that each hippogriff has a necklace with a sliver of that artifact which allows them to transform. Also, as we've seen both in the show and in the movie, this transformation is not unique to them.

Edited August 31, 2020 by Goat-kun
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[Ittoni 538]

2 minutes ago, Goat-kun said:

By that logic any ling could change into an alicorn or Discord and you'd have an army of alicorns and chaos spirits. Lings don't get the abilities upon transformation.

 

 

 

To an observer, non-fantastical ungulates, yaks included, are basically earth ponies in that they do not have any specific magical ability or supernatural attribute.

 

 

 

Griffins seem to be pegasi, but better since their bodies are a Swiss army knife compared to a kitchen butter knife of a pegasi horse body. They can pretty much do anything a pegasus can and the only thing that's keeping them back is the -1000 negative plot armor. A courtesy of our glorious writers.

 

 

 

Dragons have whatever bullshit ability plot demands them to so they are kinda like unicorns in that regard, but they do have a consistent affinity to elements of earth and fire.

 

 

 

Hippogriffs are less cool griffins made for toy sales. Pearl of Transformation that allows their metamorphosis is an artifact and thus doesn't count as their own magic. Note that each hippogriff has a necklace with a sliver of that artifact which allows them to transform. Also, as we've seen both in the show and in the movie, this transformation is not unique to them.

 

I've never heard of "lings" before, it's cute 

I'm actually doing a blog entry on it because there's not enough evidence but we always have theories and speculation based on what the show gives us.

aside from that I think Kirins are the only ones that could possibly compare to unicorns. They have magic like unicorns and levitate things, cast spells, even grow plants like earth ponies were supposed to do. And they can walk in water like Jeeeeesus. Aaaand they have a second form too, the Nirik. 

[Goat-kun 2,531]

8 minutes ago, Ittoni said:

I've never heard of "lings" before, it's cute 

I'm actually doing a blog entry on it because there's not enough evidence but we always have theories and speculation based on what the show gives us.

aside from that I think Kirins are the only ones that could possibly compare to unicorns. They have magic like unicorns and levitate things, cast spells, even grow plants like earth ponies were supposed to do. And they can walk in water like Jeeeeesus. Aaaand they have a second form too, the Nirik. 

It may sound cute in this context but the origins of "ling" can be traced to Starcraft's zergligs that are a bit less cute.

 

I'm always joking that kirin are just a DLC skin for unicorns

 

Yeah ... we should nerf unicorns. Hard. At least I would. Though, I'd also make divisions of magic and magical creatures more classic (light, darkness, natural elements).

[Ittoni 538]

1 minute ago, Goat-kun said:

It may sound cute in this context but the origins of "ling" can be traced to Starcraft's zergligs that are a bit less cute.

 

 

 

I'm always joking that kirin are just a DLC skin for unicorns

 

 

 

Yeah ... we should nerf unicorns. Hard. At least I would. Though, I'd also make divisions of magic and magical creatures more classic (light, darkness, natural elements).

 

sounds like a good idea to me 

We need more balance in the magical world

[Stardust 645]

6 hours ago, Goat-kun said:

Earth ponies: magical ability to do menial labor without feeling bad about it

Earth pones have magic other than the nature stuff.

How about pinkie pies crazy stuff I think she is very magic  she can manipulate her tail and has special senses.  Maybe not official lol 

They also can be very strong or technologically versed. Not so magical imo but sorta magicy.

 

 

[Goat-kun 2,531]

6 minutes ago, flurry said:

Earth pones have magic other than the nature stuff.

How about pinkie pies crazy stuff I think she is very magic  she can manipulate her tail and has special senses.  Maybe not official lol 

They also can be very strong or technologically versed. Not so magical imo but sorta magicy.

 

 

Have we ever seen an earth pony use nature magic? The closest thing we've been to that was Twilight showing Apple Bloom how to enchant plants ... and we're back at unicorns. But seriously, enchanting magic and potions aren't something unique to a single creature. You just need proper ingredients. Fluttershy's ability to talk to animals is more "nature magic" than anything earth pony characters can do. And when it comes to technology, there's Twilight. Also, Flim and Flam had technological superiority over AJ in the cider competition.

 

Pinkie has her abilities not cause she's an earth pony but cause she's Pinkie, plain and simple

[Goat-kun 2,531]

12 minutes ago, Ittoni said:

sounds like a good idea to me 

We need more balance in the magical world

If I was to rework unicorns I'd allow them to have a single element, and that element would be light. That way they would not be able to directly influence the material world apart from using telekinesis while they'd still retain their trademark abilities like beam attacks, barriers, and teleportation. They'd burn through their entire mana pool before they could rearrange the clouds, and trying to summon something out of thin air or trying to change something into something else would produce no effect. Now, I'd keep some of the metamorphosis magic in the domain of light, but it would not be something that even a couple of powerful alicorns could accomplish.

[SharpWit 2,867]

And to the tune of "I Am The Very Model of a Modern Major General". 

Spoiler

 

Ponies of the crystal are endowed with heartfelt energies,

despite residing in the frozen north they seem to never freeze,

but when dark forces arise you see a shiver in their knees,

luckilly their power is a deep connection to their home in immeasurable quantities!

 

Batponies are the fandom's highly adored soldiers of the night,

efficient membranous wings and fangs fail to stir much if any fright,

other adaptions permit high pitched hearing and nocturnal sight,

but more often fluffy ears and feline eyes bring many coos of delight.

 

Cranky is a donkey famed for constant grumbles and his snarky sass,

probably the result of a citizen being only second class,

his brethren the mules are at an equal or of lesser state,

but the likes of Chancellor Neighsay don't mind since the latter cannot procreate.

 

Zecora executes a mastery for rhythmic regularity,

her potions, brews, enhanced shampoos are appreciated with utmost sincerity,

her speeches are a means of inspiration when our spirits fall,

and she's helped us learn that striped strangers aren't so bad after all.

 

Breezies were a throwback from previous my little pony generations,

brought back to market toy sales and increase an executives compensation,

they hijack the roles of migrating monarchs and other pollinators,

but when toy sales drop we're more than happy to call the exterminators.

 

Despite convoluted plots the changeling introduction was pretty freaking cool,

an army of ravenous insectoids placed these villains high on a pedestal,

love came and went and brought about an argument still highly stressed,

whether things were better before or after the darkened hive became a hippie-fest.

 

Kirin are essentially unicorns in drag with tempers uncontrollable,

their self destruction ceased when the species finally became consolable,

such fiery split personalities have only had Twi- and Starlight for a would be rival,

but still this equine of the east was most welcomed upon arrival.

 

Hippogriffs and Sea Ponies alike sparked something rather questionable,

to what degree is species crossbreeding acceptable or detestable,

Queen Novo made it a point that problems beyond Mount Aris would remain exterior,

and Terramar's plight was lame because flight was clearly the option superior.

 

Griffons can land on clouds and clearly compete with pegasi,

I don't see why powers of weather manipulation would differ otherwise,

failing to profit globally for this race of would be robber barron's seems like a crime,

perhaps historical intervention is why these races don't see eye to eye.

 

Parrot Folk are absolutely strange creatures to say the least,

their counterparts the Daimond Dogs and Capper the cat stand out for standing up with ease,

why on earth would the higher ups at Hasbro approve of these,

of course it'd be to line their pockets by appealing to all of the furries.

 

Standing beside them of course we have the mighty minotaur,

Iron Will with his iron will, confidence and strength galore,

at the very least his species Greek origins can be spoken for,

but the next batch of bipeds are all but ignored.

 

From the movie we were given Lizard, Tortoise, Fish, and a wide eyed Salamander,

followed up by Hippo, Hedgehog, Pigs, Shark and what looked to be a Tapir,

Eels, Mice and then Rats, naked mole and otherwise,

proceeded by no less than 5 others we completely failed to identify.

 

Somehow Sea Serpent's can grow luscious locks both scalpel and facial,

despite being an aquatic reptilian therefore making this feature non palatial,

Sheep, Goats, and Cows all offer resources and cloven hoofed compliance,

The giraffe wasn't given a speaking role so we can't vouch for her reliance.

 

For Ruminants of greater notoriety we have the often feisty Yaks, 

A species better known for manners, common sense, and the braincells they lack

Buffalo though they roam probably have powers just as few,

Sheer size and strength seems to be their only contributory attribute.

 

We may end that grouping with the trio of gift giving Reindeer,

Loaded with classic Christmas styled spirit, cryptic advice and good ol holiday cheer,

Their antlers grant them powers of considerably capability,

Which is more than can be said of Cervidea found domestically.

 

Dragons with their heat resistance have played a role of prominence,

Their pyrotechnics and aeronautics offering a unique form of dominance,

Many use this and feats of strength to claim they can live lives of extravagance,

But a competitive nature has cost the progress of their society immense expense.

 

And my brain is dead at this point. As for Sentient species that are plural, there's only the Storm Creatures left. Apologies for the clunkiness of some parts.

If it wasn't shown or can't be logically assumed then I don't think a creature can exhibit magical abilities in most cases. The notable exceptions I would say if it wasn't shown in the later seasons of the show, is that Griffons, Hippogriffs, and Batponies can all manipulate the weather the same as Pegasi,

Edited August 31, 2020 by SharpWit

[Goat-kun 2,531]

19 minutes ago, SharpWit said:

And to the tune of "I Am The Very Model of a Modern Major General". 

And my brain is dead at this point. As for Sentient species that are plural, there's only the Storm Creatures left. Apologies for the clunkiness of some parts.

If it wasn't shown or can't be logically assumed then I don't think a creature can exhibit magical abilities in most cases. The notable exceptions I would say if it wasn't shown in the later seasons of the show, is that Griffons, Hippogriffs, and Batponies can all manipulate the weather the same as Pegasi,

Well, I'm sure Arimaspi are also plural, but who knows at this point. Now, this is pretty much how an Equestrian pony (or a Hobbit) would try to explain things. The form is fine, but the content, at no fault of its maker, seems rather lacking in magic. All these creatures created without care.

[Landi 602]

Well, a part of what makes ponies special is their magic. But there are a few others with magic.

Hippogriffs have the ability to transform into seaponies which is their form of magic. Changeling obviously have their magic which allows them to transform into whatever they want. Then there are Kirin  and batponies who are basically just unicorns and pegasi with extra steps.

On the other hand, there are dragons and griffons. Dragons don't seem to have any magic. I mean, you would count fire breath as that, but I would think that's more of a physical thing. Griffons also don't seem to be magical either. I don't think (or acknowledge) that they can control weather, I really don't. If griffons could control weather, then pegasi wouldn't have anything that really makes them special in comparison. Especially since griffons do seem to be stronger and they have claws to help with grip. Weather magic: Pegasi and batponies.

So it seems like there's a mixed bag when it comes to non-pony magic. Some have it, and some don't.

[Goat-kun 2,531]

8 minutes ago, Landi72 said:

Well, a part of what makes ponies special is their magic. But there are a few others with magic.

Hippogriffs have the ability to transform into seaponies which is their form of magic. Changeling obviously have their magic which allows them to transform into whatever they want. Then there are Kirin  and batponies who are basically just unicorns and pegasi with extra steps.

On the other hand, there are dragons and griffons. Dragons don't seem to have any magic. I mean, you would count fire breath as that, but I would think that's more of a physical thing. Griffons also don't seem to be magical either. I don't think (or acknowledge) that they can control weather, I really don't. If griffons could control weather, then pegasi wouldn't have anything that really makes them special in comparison. Especially since griffons do seem to be stronger and they have claws to help with grip. Weather magic: Pegasi and batponies.

So it seems like there's a mixed bag when it comes to non-pony magic. Some have it, and some don't.

That's a lot to unpack, but since most things have already been somewhat addressed let's start with this: describe the process of pegasi weather manipulation.

[Splashee 28,599]

You make Earth Ponies sound so useless. Remember they are strong because of Hasbro magic! 

[Landi 602]

36 minutes ago, Goat-kun said:

That's a lot to unpack, but since most things have already been somewhat addressed let's start with this: describe the process of pegasi weather manipulation.

Well, I would assume that pegasus magic comes at birth, just like unicorn magic. This magic is a major part of how a pegasus can function. There's flight, cloud-walking, and weather manipulation. In the factory itself, pegasi are probably able to infuse a bit of their magic into the weather. Then, when it is being controlled, the pegasus magic is fully passive. Pegasi are using their magic without even realizing it. I'm just making theories though. The show never went into the specifics on pegasus weather magic.

 

9 minutes ago, Splashee® said:

You make Earth Ponies sound so useless. Remember they are strong because of Hasbro magic! 

Ahh, poor earth ponies! They do have their farming and strength, but they definitely don't come off as interesting. I say we nerf unicorns and buff earth ponies.

[Goat-kun 2,531]

21 minutes ago, Splashee® said:

You make Earth Ponies sound so useless. Remember they are strong because of Hasbro magic! 

When has H-Bro do anything for the earth ponies? They made them useless. I'm just telling it how it is. Neither nature nor earth seem to be their magic elements. Sure, some of them can crush rocks, but so can Rainbow Dash. Heck, Spike can crush crystals with his baby yaws. If I was to grant them magical affinity they too would belong to the light along with sheep and other bovine ungulates. In fact, if I was to design AJ for G5 I'd make her a magical knight powerhouse along the lines of Artoria Pendragon. However, since I'd be pretty much orienting myself along the H-Bro MTG mana system I'd allow unicorns to choose between blue, black, and green magic. Earth ponies would then be white, green, blue. Pegasi would be red, blue, white.

[ShadOBabe 19,028]

Ahuizotl is the only one of his kind depicted (besides me, obvs), but he’s got demonstrable super strength.

Pushes over fully grown trees like blades of grass, sends an entire temple shaking with a couple shoulder bashes, etc. It’s either magic or he is just supremely strong biologically.

Edited September 1, 2020 by ShadOBabe

[Goat-kun 2,531]

15 minutes ago, Landi72 said:

Well, I would assume that pegasus magic comes at birth, just like unicorn magic. This magic is a major part of how a pegasus can function. There's flight, cloud-walking, and weather manipulation. In the factory itself, pegasi are probably able to infuse a bit of their magic into the weather. Then, when it is being controlled, the pegasus magic is fully passive. Pegasi are using their magic without even realizing it. I'm just making theories though. The show never went into the specifics on pegasus weather magic.

Just watch Rainbow Dash do her thing. There is only one requirement for weather manipulation and only one skill that all the pegasi utilize in order to perform their task: cloud walking. That's it. It just happens that other flying beings like griffins can also cloud walk and can thus manipulate weather. Griffins are also great and fast flyers and can thus do all those acrobatics that bring about tornadoes. The magic you speak off has never been shown to have any effect other than the ability of flight and even that's debatable (observe what happens when you drain pegasus of their magic). One could then argue that the lack of cutie marks makes griffins superior since they can't get thwarted by destiny, though I do suspect they also rely on magic so their resilience on magic drain can be put into question.

[Goat-kun 2,531]

13 minutes ago, ShadOBabe said:

Ahuizotl is the only one of his kind depicted (besides me, obvs), but he’s got demonstrable super strength.

Pushes over fully grown trees like blades of grass, sends an entire temple shaking with a couple shoulder bashed, etc.

That's expected from a relatively large fantastic beast (that spends its days bench pressing cats and pyramid stones). I'd like to see him have affinity to water magic though.

[Landi 602]

14 minutes ago, Goat-kun said:

Just watch Rainbow Dash do her thing. There is only one requirement for weather manipulation and only one skill that all the pegasi utilize in order to perform their task: cloud walking. That's it. It just happens that other flying beings like griffins can also cloud walk and can thus manipulate weather. Griffins are also great and fast flyers and can thus do all those acrobatics that bring about tornadoes. The magic you speak off has never been shown to have any effect other than the ability of flight and even that's debatable (observe what happens when you drain pegasus of their magic). One could then argue that the lack of cutie marks makes griffins superior since they can't get thwarted by destiny, though I do suspect they also rely on magic so their resilience on magic drain can be put into question.

Even if Griffons can or can't cloud-walk, I would argue that there's still more to weather manipulation. Yes, a lot of it is moving clouds, which would involve cloud-walking. But other things like wind and precipitation would need more. I would think that pegasus magic is what initiates rain and snow to fall from the clouds. And pegasus magic infused with their wings allows them to create winds (Like in "It ain't Easy Being Breezies) and tornadoes (Like in "Hurricane Fluttershy). Weather manipulation and Pegasus magic are very intertwined.

I know we have seen cloud-walking and weather control done by Griffons before (Mostly just the comics), but I don't like the idea of Griffons having weather magic. The beginning of the show seemed to solidify that it was a pegasus thing, therefore it seems lame that they basically just retconned that. If griffons could have all the pegasus abilities along with their own, they would be unbalanced.

[Goat-kun 2,531]

11 hours ago, Landi72 said:

Even if Griffons can or can't cloud-walk, I would argue that there's still more to weather manipulation. Yes, a lot of it is moving clouds, which would involve cloud-walking. But other things like wind and precipitation would need more. I would think that pegasus magic is what initiates rain and snow to fall from the clouds. And pegasus magic infused with their wings allows them to create winds (Like in "It ain't Easy Being Breezies) and tornadoes (Like in "Hurricane Fluttershy). Weather manipulation and Pegasus magic are very intertwined.

I know we have seen cloud-walking and weather control done by Griffons before (Mostly just the comics), but I don't like the idea of Griffons having weather magic. The beginning of the show seemed to solidify that it was a pegasus thing, therefore it seems lame that they basically just retconned that. If griffons could have all the pegasus abilities along with their own, they would be unbalanced.

There is no indication that you need anything other than to flap your wings which is, stupidly enough, a huge part of pegasi magic.

 

Now, let's entertain the idea that there is weather magic. One might speculate that it's part of nature or wind magic. The problem arises when one tries to squeeze different types of ponies under the same magical umbrella. I say that this is a mistake. Unicorn magic has nothing to do with pegasi magic. They are completely different, and magic does not care for borders or artificial creature segregation. Pegasi have more in common with griffins and hippogriffs than they have with other ponies, and the same should be true for their weather magic. Thus the pegasi no longer compete with griffins for supremacy but are instead placed in a hierarchical structure of weather magic where some creatures are stronger or use different aspects of the same magic. This way, instead of saying "pegasi should be as strong as griffins cause muh OC" you are saying "pegasi are weaker than griffins in weather magic, but are as powerful as unicorns are in their kind of magic". There will always be creatures more powerful in a magical aspect, and griffins are up there. They are not called Hounds of Zeus for nothing. But when it comes to ponies, I agree that the three basic types should be equal in their magical power.

[Landi 602]

8 hours ago, Goat-kun said:

Now, let's entertain the idea that there is weather magic. One might speculate that it's part of nature or wind magic. The problem arises when one tries to squeeze different types of ponies under the same magical umbrella. I say that this is a mistake. Unicorn magic has nothing to do with pegasi magic. They are completely different, and magic does not care for borders or artificial creature segregation. Pegasi have more in common with griffins and hippogriffs than they have with other ponies, and the same should be true for their weather magic. Thus the pegasi no longer compete with griffins for supremacy but are instead placed in a hierarchical structure of weather magic where some creatures are stronger or use different aspects of the same magic. This way, instead of saying "pegasi should be as strong as griffins cause muh OC" you are saying "pegasi are weaker than griffins in weather magic, but are as powerful as unicorns are in their kind of magic". There will always be creatures more powerful in a magical aspect, and griffins are up there. They are not called Hounds of Zeus for nothing. But when it comes to ponies, I agree that the three basic types should be equal in their magical power.

I mean, pegasi overall are still much more closely related to unicorns and earth ponies then to griffons. Everything but the wings and type of magic is the same as earth ponies and unicorns (and maybe a couple of other small details). And I would still say unicorns definitely show more power than pegasi from what we've seen. And if you are just referring to magic alone, then yes, you could say pegasus magic is more like griffon and hippogriff magic than other forms of pony magic. That being said, ponies do have cutie mark magic and just pony magic in general.

The weather magic hierarchy you mentioned, while could be true, is kinda sad to me as a pegasus fan. From what you've said, it would seem like you are saying that pegasi are just at the bottom of the totem pole in terms of magic and ability. It's why I just tend to say that weather based magic is pegasus/batpony exclusive. And, if griffons do have weather magic, it should be less powerful than pegasus weather magic. That way, they will be more balanced. Pegasi would probably feel pretty sad if they were one of the weakest flying creatures on a magic/power scale.

I guess I just want the non-pony creatures to be more balanced with the ponies. Unfortunately, I don't really think balance was in the mind of the show staff when considering the other creatures. It's definitely a part of why I'm not really a big fan of the non-pony creatures in the show ( They are unbalanced and kinda uninteresting to me). All I can do about it is sit here making my head-canons.

[Goat-kun 2,531]

8 hours ago, Landi72 said:

I mean, pegasi overall are still much more closely related to unicorns and earth ponies then to griffons. Everything but the wings and type of magic is the same as earth ponies and unicorns (and maybe a couple of other small details). And I would still say unicorns definitely show more power than pegasi from what we've seen. And if you are just referring to magic alone, then yes, you could say pegasus magic is more like griffon and hippogriff magic than other forms of pony magic. That being said, ponies do have cutie mark magic and just pony magic in general.

The weather magic hierarchy you mentioned, while could be true, is kinda sad to me as a pegasus fan. From what you've said, it would seem like you are saying that pegasi are just at the bottom of the totem pole in terms of magic and ability. It's why I just tend to say that weather based magic is pegasus/batpony exclusive. And, if griffons do have weather magic, it should be less powerful than pegasus weather magic. That way, they will be more balanced. Pegasi would probably feel pretty sad if they were one of the weakest flying creatures on a magic/power scale.

I guess I just want the non-pony creatures to be more balanced with the ponies. Unfortunately, I don't really think balance was in the mind of the show staff when considering the other creatures. It's definitely a part of why I'm not really a big fan of the non-pony creatures in the show ( They are unbalanced and kinda uninteresting to me). All I can do about it is sit here making my head-canons.

Friendship magic can be employed by any creature, it would seem. That aside, I understand that some Bronies want ponies to be end-all-be-all in magic, and I find it wanting. There are always more powerful creatures higher on the totem pole. Balancing is not about making every creature equally strong but about making every creature make sense. Pegasi are weak, that is true, but that does not mean they should not be strong inside their bracket. You won't be messing around with elemental gods, will you now?

 

To fix non-pones and ponies, one should shatter the Equestrian design that prevents ponies to be regarded as different creatures that they are within the magical ecosystem. Equestria by itself is held together only by Harmony which is actually preventing the growth of nature magic that the pegasi would use. Once you let go of the mentality that pegasi should be the most powerful weather magic users because of the show's narrative, you can start constructing a magic system that works for every creature. Again, pegasi would never be the most powerful weather mages, but that does not mean that your OC should not feel powerful in most ordinary circumstances. In fact, within such a system, the power spike of your OC would be so tremendous that those with alicorn OCs would start complaining the pegasi are overpowered

 

P.S: bat ponies should not have weather magic but darkness. They should not cloud walk but shadow walk

[Landi 602]

10 hours ago, Goat-kun said:

Friendship magic can be employed by any creature, it would seem. That aside, I understand that some Bronies want ponies to be end-all-be-all in magic, and I find it wanting. There are always more powerful creatures higher on the totem pole. Balancing is not about making every creature equally strong but about making every creature make sense. Pegasi are weak, that is true, but that does not mean they should not be strong inside their bracket. You won't be messing around with elemental gods, will you now?

 

 

 

To fix non-pones and ponies, one should shatter the Equestrian design that prevents ponies to be regarded as different creatures that they are within the magical ecosystem. Equestria by itself is held together only by Harmony which is actually preventing the growth of nature magic that the pegasi would use. Once you let go of the mentality that pegasi should be the most powerful weather magic users because of the show's narrative, you can start constructing a magic system that works for every creature. Again, pegasi would never be the most powerful weather mages, but that does not mean that your OC should not feel powerful in most ordinary circumstances. In fact, within such a system, the power spike of your OC would be so tremendous that those with alicorn OCs would start complaining the pegasi are overpowered

 

 

 

P.S: bat ponies should not have weather magic but darkness. They should not cloud walk but shadow walk

I think the idea is that ponies play a big part in the magic ecosystem of Equestria. Society revolves around the ponies and their ability to harness their form of magic. It's why we only see Earth ponies farming, pegasi controlling the weather, and unicorns casting spells (generally speaking). We haven't seen anything like widespread griffon or dragon weather teams, which leads me to believe that either they can't manipulate weather or they are not as efficient at it. It's the main reason I think that pegasus weather magic is the most prominent form of weather magic.

If pegasi really were the weakest weather manipulators, wouldn't it really affect their self-esteem. I mean, knowing you were the weakest flying type in the lands wouldn't be the most encouraging. They would have to worry about being replaced. Add that on-top of unicorns, who are already overpowered, pegasi are going to have the same dilemma that earth ponies have: Under-powered. That's why I just like to think that they have strong weather magic to make up for their low points. Of course we can't make all the creatures totally balanced and equal in power, but we can at least bridge the gap in the power scale. Therefor, pegasi are Equestria's weather workers! 

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14 hours ago, Landi72 said:

I think the idea is that ponies play a big part in the magic ecosystem of Equestria. Society revolves around the ponies and their ability to harness their form of magic. It's why we only see Earth ponies farming, pegasi controlling the weather, and unicorns casting spells (generally speaking). We haven't seen anything like widespread griffon or dragon weather teams, which leads me to believe that either they can't manipulate weather or they are not as efficient at it. It's the main reason I think that pegasus weather magic is the most prominent form of weather magic.

If pegasi really were the weakest weather manipulators, wouldn't it really affect their self-esteem. I mean, knowing you were the weakest flying type in the lands wouldn't be the most encouraging. They would have to worry about being replaced. Add that on-top of unicorns, who are already overpowered, pegasi are going to have the same dilemma that earth ponies have: Under-powered. That's why I just like to think that they have strong weather magic to make up for their low points. Of course we can't make all the creatures totally balanced and equal in power, but we can at least bridge the gap in the power scale. Therefor, pegasi are Equestria's weather workers! 

Here's where I like to employ what I call the OC Test. It effectively removes events of the show and forces someone to take control of a creature with all the powers we know it canonically has. Then we can truly see where things stand.

 

With that test, griffins OC do indeed perform better that pegasi ones. Try it yourself. Would that make pegasi sad? I don't really care. They'd learn to deal with it just like the earth ponies did.

 

Now, would I, with the power vested in me by H-Bro, leave them as lesser weather magic users? Yes. If it's MLP you don't need ponies to be powerful since it's slice of life meant for little girls. Magical friendship beams can solve everything in a matter of seconds. I wouldn't even bother with lore. If it was adventure meant for boys I'd use griffins and other cool creatures instead anyway