Question on the forbidden subject.

[Bohtty 1,775]

I don't even what.

 

 

Facebook is a social networking website where people meet up with friends. The only feature similar to facebook here is the statuses and picture thread, and I couldn't care less about either.

 

Please don't confuse me with ridiculous statements.

 

fo·rum/ˈfôrəm/

 

Noun:

• A meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.

• An Internet message board.

mes·sage board

 

 

noun

message boards, plural

• An Internet site where people can post and read messages, usually on a specific topic

or area of interest

 

 

 

so·cial net·work

 

noun

• A network of social interactions and personal relationships

   
• A dedicated website or other application that enables users to communicate with each other by posting information, comments, messages, images, etc

MLPforums and Facebook are already similar enough. Edited June 30, 2012 by Bohtty

[Fizz. 1,078]

Occasionally?

 

So if it annoys you, SHUT IT DOWN DEAR GOD.

 

Or just don't use it. Hm.

 

fo·rum/ˈfôrəm/

 

Noun:

• A meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.

• An Internet message board.

mes·sage board

 

 

noun

message boards, plural

• An Internet site where people can post and read messages, usually on a specific topic

or area of interest

 

 

so·cial net·work

 

noun

• A network of social interactions and personal relationships

   
• A dedicated website or other application that enables users to communicate with each other by posting information, comments, messages, images, etc

MLPforums and Facebook are already similar enough.

 

 

I fail to understand any of this. Youre the one comparing MLPforums and Facebook, what does it have to do with chat anyway?

[NeverNeverland 1,940]

So if it annoys you, SHUT IT DOWN DEAR GOD. Or just don't use it. Hm.

 

Um.. the chat does annoy sometimes, but not enough to provoke a reaction along the lines of the first response. I'm just sayin' that the con is that the chat is obnoxious not occasionally - more like over half the time.

[Dragonshy 2,305]

Occasionally?

 

Yes. It was not obnoxious all the time, and when it was, the spammers could get banned. If you wanted to talk to a single person instead of everyone else, you could.

[NeverNeverland 1,940]

Yes. It was not obnoxious all the time, and when it was, the spammers could get banned. If you wanted to talk to a single person instead of everyone else, you could.

 

I think you and I both have different opinions on what we call obnoxious. Either way, I don't see the spammers getting banned.

[Dragonshy 2,305]

I think you and I both have different opinions on what we call obnoxious. Either way, I don't see the spammers getting banned.

 

I did. I saw countless status updates like: "WTF? I'M BANNED FROM CHAT? UGH! *abbreviationhere* BLAH BLAH BLAH!"

 

Do you remember those? xD

[Strafe 594]

CONS: It occasionally got obnoxious for a few moments.

 

 

There were a lot of over-dramatic people though.

[Starshine 16,333]

http://mlpforums.com/topic/12476-chat-is-dead/

 

We apologize to those of you that make use of the chat room, however we have come to the ultimate decision that closing it so that we can refocus the collective energy of the MLP Forums staff on the most important aspect of the community - the forum - is, in the long run, in our best interests.

 

The chat room, while a source of entertainment for some, is completely impractical from a moderation standpoint due to the lack of worthwhile back-end features and controls. Additionally, IP.Chat's glitchy nature has resulted in a great many threads and private messages seeking help and support for issues that are, quite simply, beyond our control.

 

Our goal from the start has always been to provide the best possible forum for My Little Pony-related discussion. This decision, though it may ultimately prove unpopular, was made in the interest of helping us regain sight of that goal.

 

One of the main reasons why the Chat is gone in my opinion is the sheer lack of manpower to keep the Chatroom under control

 

Unless there are five of you volunteered to take shifts guarding the Chatroom, there's no hope :/

[NeverNeverland 1,940]

I did. I saw countless status updates like: "WTF? I'M BANNED FROM CHAT? UGH! *abbreviationhere* BLAH BLAH BLAH!" Do you remember those? xD

 

Actually, I don't! That's why I'm given the impression that the mods are very lax when banning others from the chat.

[Moosefullaeggs 543]

ITT: We call Snowball bad because Napoleon said so.

[Dragonshy 2,305]

There were a lot of over-dramatic people though.

 

There still are, only difference is they get a thread and a post count to go towards it. (Not trying to sound rude)

 

Actually, I don't! That's why I'm given the impression that the mods are very lax when banning others from the chat.

 

I know that there were a lot of status updates like that. If there were more moderators on the chat, then we wouldn't have that problem.

 

 

Anyways, this whole thing has put me in a competitive mood and my sleepiness disagrees with it.

[Bohtty 1,775]

I fail to understand any of this. Youre the one comparing MLPforums and Facebook, what does it have to do with chat anyway?

 

MLPforums and Facebook are already similar enough.

 

You said that I shouldn't compare your suggestion to Facebook. The definitions showed that facebook and mlpforyms are already similar enough. I ended with a statement that we don't need to make them more similar. Adding chat would make them more similar.

Did that clear it up enough?

[Twilight Sparkle ✨ 8,526]

>quality discussions

 

>on mlpforums

 

If anything, the death of chat caused the quality discussions to drop because people took their rambling and spam into the forums.

MLP Forums was always meant to be a "classier" forum than most where well-composed posts and worthy topics were the norm, not the exception. If you're coming to MLP Forums expecting a pony-themed 4chan where anything goes, you've come to the wrong website. If you think spamfests are all MLP Forums is about, then I'd honestly recommend you find a better forum, because we're actively working to improve the quality of the average post here, like it used to be (and that was the main reason we hired ten new moderators, to keep this place from becoming a cesspool of one-liners).

 

An official announcement with more on this is on its way.

 

If you have no interest in debating, don't post in something like this.

Just keep it civil - everyone is allowed to voice their opinion on whether we should have a chatroom or not.

 

Except the chat allows real time talk. I'm sorry, but it's MUCH harder for someone to click with me if I only get a reply every 1-24 hours. Chat allows instantaneous connection with other members.

If what you want is real-time talk, then I'd suggest looking for an IRC network to join rather than a pony forum. Canternet and Ponychat are two of the popular ones, and they've got legions of moderators to keep them under control. The internet forum was never designed for instantaneous communication - its virtue is that its slower pace of communication allows for higher-quality content, and said content is then archived indefinitely.

 

My main gripe with the chat was if too many people were in it it was a clusterbuck of messages. I could never keep up. Not to mention every time I went there it was filled with non sensible spam and quite a bit of swearing. Skype works much better as you can chat one on one with members you want to talk to in a instant kind of a feeling the chat provided. If you ask me, the chat system would need re-working if it was to ever come back (Which I don't think it would) such as multiple chat rooms so 50 people aren't spamming the same one.

Unfortunately, IP.Chat comes as a "black box" solution that runs on IPS's servers and thus, there's pretty much nothing we can do to rework it.

 

Doesn't that just mean you came to the forums for the wrong reason. Your comment alone proves the statement. If a chat was so integral to yours and others reason for being here then your here for the wrong reason. The point of a forum is to post in the forum not chat in the little box on the side of the screen.

This. ^ Please read my reply above.

 

No it doesn't. I went on the forums MORE when there was a chat here, and I felt a lot more connected to the members here too. I'm surprised that SO MANY people are AGAINST the idea of chat. Quite frankly, if you don't like it, um, don't join? But there's a good amount of us who miss it. In fact, we lost a LOT of quality members because a rival bored opened that had the same setup, but also a chat.

 

 

I did. I saw countless status updates like: "WTF? I'M BANNED FROM CHAT? UGH! *abbreviationhere* BLAH BLAH BLAH!" Do you remember those? xD

Actually, I don't! That's why I'm given the impression that the mods are very lax when banning others from the chat.

The issue with banning members or restricting them is that they tend to get butthurt and take it way too personally when they get moderated. It's bad enough when we remove a post to clean up a thread - the reaction is usually abysmal when someone is told they're no longer allowed in the chatroom.

 

We dished out warnings for chatroom behaviour all the time and it resulted in a significantly increased workload on the moderators. The worst part was that none of the work we did to moderate the chatroom resulted in any lasting effect on the site.

 

You may be thinking, "throw more moderators at the problem!" but that honestly isn't going to solve anything. Based on the survey we ran in March, there was a virtually perfect 50:50 split of members who thought that chatroom moderation was too strict or too lax.

 

I would like to add that it may sound bad that we lost 40-60 members the day the chatroom closed; but there was absolutely no visible drop in forum activity, and a very noticeable drop in moderator work. I don't mean to imply that we're lazy, but none of the mods get paid for anything and they all have every bit the life that you do. Also, with hundreds upon hundreds of active members, a loss of 40 isn't even close to enough to kill this site.

[Jokuc 8,173]

Oh.. More talk about the chat... I never really used it since it was super spammy, and I didn't find it fun to be there either. And now I'm not even in the Skype group anymore, since I get like 100000000 notifications from it, and my phone lagged when I pressed it by misstake. Hah. I think it would be good to split the skype chat up in 3 or 4 rooms..

Edited June 30, 2012 by Jokuc

[butter scotch 79]

One of the reasons Feld0 actually removed it was because everyone spent too much time on it

instead of posting on the forums...

[Zoop 8,384]

We have to pick our battles. Personally, I found the chat room to be a never-ending battle that I never had any interest in fighting.

 

Now, back to my vacation.

[Fghik 360]

...We have great mods.

 

What other sites do you know can you actually TALK TO, DIRECTLY, any members of the staff? I've talked with Feld0, the God of Gods, post-to-post. Not a computer-based auto-responder designed to troubleshoot and never give proper information; the real deal. Not only that, but Zoop and I have also shared tongues on numerous occasions. Heck, I'm sure I've spoken to every one of the mods one time or another. And I like being able to do so.

 

Communities turn to crap when "user-mods" come into play; I'm not going to bother mentioning specifics because everyone could easily name at least three off the top of their head. Once great games, forums, chats, or the like; turn to "I'm better than you because I have a silly little star that gives me more influence on the Admins."

 

Yes, the forbidden subject did get out of hand. But who knows what would have happened if we got it BACK?!?!? Frankly, I don't care about it. We have synchtube fridays for forum chat, hit them up sometime. Catch a flick, vote in a poll, make "in bon bon" jokes. Great time, great chat, all the moderation we need.

 

Now please, before I want you to drop dead; shut up and move on. The forbidden subject is forbidden for a reason.

[Klopp 2,050]

I see a lot of people making good points in here, but no one quite explaining the main problem with IP.Chat, and why it will never come back.

 

To be quite honest, IP.Chat is a terrible little program due to it's massive lack of features. The main problem being that there are two ways to chat in there. First one being an all out spam-fest with every user in the chatroom, and the only other option being to have a private conversation with one other person. You could not have a private chat with just three or more people, and trying to have two sets of three people having two seperate conversations was almost always going on in their. That was one of the most common complaints we received when the chat was active.

 

The next problem was the moderators actual abilities. We could banish and kick you, that's it. No deleting or editing posts, specifically links to NSFW or such. The main chat only showed something like 150 posts, and only the Admins had access to the chat logs to deal with the many reports made on members who broke the rules within. It was just a horrible set-up that was impossible to moderate properly, even if someone were watching over it 24/7. This caused a great deal of stress to moderators, driving some (Zoop) crazy. From a moderators perspective, it was simply hell.

 

The last issue is that IP.Chat is extremely glitchy. Often causing double posts, and kicking members without cause, it was not allowing for people to carry on a decent chat without some sort of bug intervening on the discussion. Nopony who often visited the chatroom could avoid these glitches, and they were quite a nuisance. More moderators is not going to fix the fact that IP.Chat is a few bits shy of a full byte.

 

I was more than pleased to see the back of that thing. I'm only sad that I missed out on the mass banishment before the closing that took place while I was at work

[Fizz. 1,078]

You said that I shouldn't compare your suggestion to Facebook. The definitions showed that facebook and mlpforyms are already similar enough. I ended with a statement that we don't need to make them more similar. Adding chat would make them more similar.

Did that clear it up enough?

 

....

 

Okay, uhm, this website is nothing like facebook, and doens't need to be, but I fail to see how adding a chat makes the site more facebooky?

 

...We have great mods.

 

What other sites do you know can you actually TALK TO, DIRECTLY, any members of the staff? I've talked with Feld0, the God of Gods, post-to-post. Not a computer-based auto-responder designed to troubleshoot and never give proper information; the real deal. Not only that, but Zoop and I have also shared tongues on numerous occasions. Heck, I'm sure I've spoken to every one of the mods one time or another. And I like being able to do so.

 

Communities turn to crap when "user-mods" come into play; I'm not going to bother mentioning specifics because everyone could easily name at least three off the top of their head. Once great games, forums, chats, or the like; turn to "I'm better than you because I have a silly little star that gives me more influence on the Admins."

 

Yes, the forbidden subject did get out of hand. But who knows what would have happened if we got it BACK?!?!? Frankly, I don't care about it. We have synchtube fridays for forum chat, hit them up sometime. Catch a flick, vote in a poll, make "in bon bon" jokes. Great time, great chat, all the moderation we need.

 

Now please, before I want you to drop dead; shut up and move on. The forbidden subject is forbidden for a reason.

 

The top part I'm not going to address cause you're talking to yourself.

 

btw, praise the admins and get a brohoof from them. Works every time.

 

Anywho, the problem with synchtube is buck synchtube. It's only on fridays, that's no fun! If anything, we SHOULD let the users set up, say, an IRC room or some other chat room and just link it from here. Completely user moderated and unaffiliated with the forums. But when someone tries to do that, they get their post deleted.

 

 

So as a proposal, since most of you are against adding IP.Chat, why not let users link to chatrooms? People get their chats, mods don't have to deal with the idiots, bad users aren't attracted to the site, Feld0 doesn't have to deal with bugs. Everyone wins!

[Fghik 360]

 

The top part I'm not going to address cause you're talking to yourself.

 

btw, praise the admins and get a brohoof from them. Works every time.

 

Anywho, the problem with synchtube is buck synchtube. It's only on fridays, that's no fun! If anything, we SHOULD let the users set up, say, an IRC room or some other chat room and just link it from here. Completely user moderated and unaffiliated with the forums. But when someone tries to do that, they get their post deleted.

 

 

So as a proposal, since most of you are against adding IP.Chat, why not let users link to chatrooms? People get their chats, mods don't have to deal with the idiots, bad users aren't attracted to the site, Feld0 doesn't have to deal with bugs. Everyone wins!

 

For one, It's not only "talking to myself." Anyone could talk to any of the admins about absolutely anything. Heck, I could ask Feldo what he had for breakfast this morning; and being the guy he is, would probably say "Orphan Bagels" and we'd all get a laugh out of it. I know for a fact that nearly all of the "Opening Day" accounts had talked with Feld0 prior to this even starting via 3DSforums or the WiiUforums or the like. I also know tons of new accounts can also have access to any of the mods or admins with any issue they have. If you weren't too busy hating on something that isn't even an issue, maybe you could get to know how cool the mods are, and really how willing they are to help. For once I'm not kissing up, this is the truth. Kissing up can only get you a slot in Zoop's signature, their friendship is a given, and available to anyone who doesn't cross them.

 

Ok, let's pretend absolutely noone EVER, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, would even DARE go to the synchtube page on (heaven forbid) NOT A FRIDAY: These forums not only hold Synchtube fridays, but we also have a skype group, a minecraft thing or too, a Steam, a whole mess of other whooseywhatsits and doodads... And we may even be getting a recurring voicechat soon because of how well our last one went almost a month or two ago--but I don't think it'd really get passed Feld0 considering what was drawn on our whiteboard on a minutely basis.

 

 

...And "linking chatrooms" just screams 'BAD IDEA' more than the old woman sitting in the back of the movie theater during a horror film. The last thing a strictly family-friendly website needs is a pornchat getting linked--not necessarily saying you the all-knowing God in command of all things mighty and holy and chatworthy, would ever dream of linking such a thing; but it could happen, and it probably would. That's why offsite links tend to be blocked here, and in pretty much every other kid-friendly site out there. If I remember correctly, you could still post offsite links in your status, or your signature; but I'll need to re-read the rules for that clarification.

 

You've been told many times, and once more. Chat is a no-no. No amount of 'facts' 'statistics' 'begging' 'trolling' 'crying' or even 'good 'ol general knowledge' will change it. Chat was nice for a while, and I too was a bit saddened to see it go--but it was being used in the wrong ways and had to go. I didn't want it gone, but it had to be gone. Maybe you should watch the show we all love so much here and take a lesson from Luna, she'd understand.

Edited June 30, 2012 by Fghik

[Fizz. 1,078]

For one, It's not only "talking to myself." Anyone could talk to any of the admins about absolutely anything. Heck, I could ask Feldo what he had for breakfast this morning; and being the guy he is, would probably say "Orphan Bagels" and we'd all get a laugh out of it. I know for a fact that nearly all of the "Opening Day" accounts had talked with Feld0 prior to this even starting via 3DSforums or the WiiUforums or the like. I also know tons of new accounts can also have access to any of the mods or admins with any issue they have. If you weren't too busy hating on something that isn't even an issue, maybe you could get to know how cool the mods are, and really how willing they are to help. For once I'm not kissing up, this is the truth. Kissing up can only get you a slot in Zoop's signature, their friendship is a given, and available to anyone who doesn't cross them.

 

Ok, let's pretend absolutely noone EVER, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, would even DARE go to the synchtube page on (heaven forbid) NOT A FRIDAY: These forums not only hold Synchtube fridays, but we also have a skype group, a minecraft thing or too, a Steam, a whole mess of other whooseywhatsits and doodads... And we may even be getting a recurring voicechat soon because of how well our last one went almost a month or two ago--but I don't think it'd really get passed Feld0 considering what was drawn on our whiteboard on a minutely basis.

 

 

...And "linking chatrooms" just screams 'BAD IDEA' more than the old woman sitting in the back of the movie theater during a horror film. The last thing a strictly family-friendly website needs is a pornchat getting linked--not necessarily saying you the all-knowing God in command of all things mighty and holy and chatworthy, would ever dream of linking such a thing; but it could happen, and it probably would. That's why offsite links tend to be blocked here, and in pretty much every other kid-friendly site out there. If I remember correctly, you could still post offsite links in your status, or your signature; but I'll need to re-read the rules for that clarification.

 

You've been told many times, and once more. Chat is a no-no. No amount of 'facts' 'statistics' 'begging' 'trolling' 'crying' or even 'good 'ol general knowledge' will change it. Chat was nice for a while, and I too was a bit saddened to see it go--but it was being used in the wrong ways and had to go. I didn't want it gone, but it had to be gone. Maybe you should watch the show we all love so much here and take a lesson from Luna, she'd understand.

 

 

Oh for fucks sake, this is not a family friendly website. There is discussion about clopping, cutting, drugs, etc etc. This is not family friendly in anyway. It's advertised as such, but it's only in name.

 

Also, what fucking porn site would be linked? Okay, how about this: Feld0 previews chat links.

 

Oh look, that solves the only problem you presented. *clap clap clap*

 

 

Minecraft and Steam are NOT chat rooms, for god sakes you're comparing apples and oranges. What if we removed forums instead of chat? I could scream about how we had chat and minecraft and steam, but that doesn't change the fact something is missing.

 

A user run chat would be the perfect solution. Everyone wins.

 

Also, links here are not blocked, what the hell are you talking about? Only NSFW links are removed, and what I'm proposing, a user run IRC chat, really doesn't have much potential for NSFW.

 

I am surprised you think I hate mods, at all. Where are you getting this from? I'm saying you're talking to yourself because NO ONE said the mods were doing a bad job but you ran around screaming about them anyway. NO WHERE in this topic have I said I dislike the staff here, they're wonderful people. How about you read? I can't believe I'm bothered to reply to someone who obviously lacks comprehension skills and probably will just let all this fly over their head. You're screaming at me for nothing, dude. I like the mods. I don't like a decision. I'm not hating any non existant issue, I'm requesting chat to be returned to the forums.

 

Speaking of that, ANY decision made here should be taken easy? I go on this forum, there is a feedback page, I used it. I don't like chat being gone, so using a proposal with logic and reasoning is a good way to at LEAST get a sensible answer. Or I could do what you do and attack anyone who even questions what the staff does.

 

Really dude, let go of your love. They're people, they make mistakes too.

 

then again, we could do what bohtty says and...use facebook. I still don't understand that xD

[Doctor XFizzle 8,669]

As a vehement detractor of the chat, I'll repeat what I said when it closed: This is MLP Forums, not MLP Chatroom. The benefit of social interaction and connection with fellow users inside the chatroom was greatly offset by the egregious amounts of spamming and other rule breaking actions, thus making the chatroom feel more like a wart on the site's face rather than a beautiful accessory that enhanced it.

 

The chat had some merits for social activity but in the end, it was a mess to run and a mess to monitor. You can still interact with fellow users on the forums and make friendships as you did in the chatroom. It may be a smidge harder and slower, but it can still be done.

[Fghik 360]

Oh for fucks sake, this is not a family friendly website. There is discussion about clopping, cutting, drugs, etc etc. This is not family friendly in anyway. It's advertised as such, but it's only in name.

 

Also, what fucking porn site would be linked? Okay, how about this: Feld0 previews chat links.

 

Oh look, that solves the only problem you presented. *clap clap clap*

 

 

Minecraft and Steam are NOT chat rooms, for god sakes you're comparing apples and oranges. What if we removed forums instead of chat? I could scream about how we had chat and minecraft and steam, but that doesn't change the fact something is missing.

 

A user run chat would be the perfect solution. Everyone wins.

 

Also, links here are not blocked, what the hell are you talking about? Only NSFW links are removed, and what I'm proposing, a user run IRC chat, really doesn't have much potential for NSFW.

 

I am surprised you think I hate mods, at all. Where are you getting this from? I'm saying you're talking to yourself because NO ONE said the mods were doing a bad job but you ran around screaming about them anyway. NO WHERE in this topic have I said I dislike the staff here, they're wonderful people. How about you read? I can't believe I'm bothered to reply to someone who obviously lacks comprehension skills and probably will just let all this fly over their head. You're screaming at me for nothing, dude. I like the mods. I don't like a decision. I'm not hating any non existant issue, I'm requesting chat to be returned to the forums.

 

Speaking of that, ANY decision made here should be taken easy? I go on this forum, there is a feedback page, I used it. I don't like chat being gone, so using a proposal with logic and reasoning is a good way to at LEAST get a sensible answer. Or I could do what you do and attack anyone who even questions what the staff does.

 

Really dude, let go of your love. They're people, they make mistakes too.

 

 

then again, we could do what bohtty says and...use facebook. I still don't understand that xD

 

I don't want to start a war on this thread, that's what will get this thread locked and remove space for good discussion not full of two trolls trolling eachother. so I'll keep this brief with lots of white space inbetween.

 

Adding [Mature] Tags easier to manage than a chat room full of immature brats.

 

"What site" ok genius, google "porn chat." Have fun.

 

Ever tried moderating incoming links?

 

You CAN CHAT in Minecraft and Steam, they have CHAT. Even an offsite chat like you want.

(Plus there's still Skype)

 

I'd be happy too for a bit, but it would fall again. Nobody would win in the end.

 

NSFW is bad. And that is why offsite links should be minimized. And yes, my bad; the rules say offsite links to YOUR page are no good.

 

This is the Feedback page, correct.

Send your feedback, correct.

Here's YOUR feedback.

 

Who said "you hate mods?" I said you were "hating on stuff that shouldn't be an issue;"

And that if you diverged your time from hating the decisions that saved us, you could get to know the mods as I do.

 

The mods make their mistakes, but I love them anyway.

The chat has mistakes, and you still love it.

You made a mistake of even bringing the forbidden subject back up, I still love you.

Heck, I just made a mistake with the offsite link section of the rules (above.) And I know darn well Feld0 won't want me murdered brutally.

 

Oh yeah, we have a facebook page too. Chat there. Enjoy.

Edited July 1, 2012 by Fghik

[MVC NVMXD JVRXD 2,406]

 

It seems you're getting kind of hostile on a topic that (in my opinion...) shouldn't be brought up anymore. I've had my fun on the chat too, and I'm sure tons of people have, but let's face it: it's never coming back. Feld0 said so himself.

[Marshmallow 1,137]

We don't have any mod in the Skype room, now do we? (I don't know, I've never been there actually)

Then why would the chat on the forums have to be monitored 24/7?

 

I completely agree with Fizzy when he says that a chatroom is much better for socializing/making friends/connecting with others etc. than a thread on the forums. It's just not the same when you have to wait 20 minutes for someone to answer your posts.

 

I think that the chatroom had some good to it and I would be in favor of it coming back. I certainly don't remember it being as bad as some people make it seem to be. Sure there were some inadvisable conversations going on from time to time, but it wasn't all that bad to be honest. Or maybe I just didn't go there enough. I don't know. Anyhow, we have what, 20 mods now? I'm sure that we could afford to dispatch a few to the chat room.

 

Anyway, that's just my opinion and it's up to the admins to decide whether they want it back or not. I just find it kinda funny how most of the guys who are complaining how bad the chat was and how they never want it back were some of the most active members in the chat... Remember the good times you had in there...