Just how magic proof are cutie marks?

[FNGRpony 658]

I just cause call of the cutie today, i noticed Apple bloom begged twilight to give hers a jump start with her magic.

 

and it never took for more than a  second, and it drained twilight off all her juice" magic wise after about 6 tries.

 

Just how magical would one have to be to fake, or alter, a cutie mark?

 

I mean if you peek at magical mystery cure it can be done.

Not to mention what exactly is that spell suppose to be used for?  I mean no ones ever asked lol.  Not that' i've seen.  It looks like a spell based around pure chaos lol.

 

Could Discord for example use his powers to alter a cutie mark?
is that something we might see in this next season?

 

Will twilight be using that spell more often?  I mean i'm still perplexed what it was suppose to do?

 

Destine swap?  Not to get off topic but would hat have bricked

rarity, dash, shy, pinkie, and apple jack if they tried to use the elements of harmoney while it was going?

I mean being at the height of disharmony and all.

[Venomshank 121]

I guess twilight doesn't know how to alter the melanin structure in one's follicles.

 

You'd need a biologist unicorn.

 

Of course, assuming that cutie marks are a melanin fluctuation.

[Malinter 3,064]

Faking a cutie mark can be done. But it basically 'deharmonizes' the pony and leaves them unhappy.

 

Applebloom was compelled to do what talent the cutie marks implied when infected with Cutie Pox

 

Starswhirls incomplete spell switches them around.

 

If this is the case, why couldn't the mane6 instantly do what the talent implied?

 

there were biological things at work, like Rarity being a unicorn so the Sonic Rainboom would be impossible.

 

Another thing is Appleboom was already blank while the mane6 were not, and while there destinies were overwritten they still lingered beneath the surface hence why showing each other how to do it switched them back.

[Scootalove 10,692]

Magic can give you a fake cutie mark, or a talent that you will not enjoy. Discord has the magic of chaos so instead of altering a cutie mark, it can cause catastrophic results.

[Bucky McGillyCuddy 956]

 

 

Just how magical would one have to be to fake, or alter, a cutie mark?

A few tubes of cheap and colourful paint and a pain brush could fake a cutie mark pretty well. That would be pretty magical haha. 

[FNGRpony 658]

Faking a cutie mark can be done. But it basically 'deharmonizes' the pony and leaves them unhappy.

 

Applebloom was compelled to do what talent the cutie marks implied when infected with Cutie Pox

 

Starswhirls incomplete spell switches them around.

 

If this is the case, why couldn't the mane6 instantly do what the talent implied?

 

there were biological things at work, like Rarity being a unicorn so the Sonic Rainboom would be impossible.

 

Another thing is Appleboom was already blank while the mane6 were not, and while there destinies were overwritten they still lingered beneath the surface hence why showing each other how to do it switched them back.

 

well i hadn't spelled that out but it's an interesting question.

 

can you straight up steal a cutie mark with that star swirl spell if you have nothing and they have one? 

And yes the spell gave the cast a new cutie mark,

 

but cutie marks tended to be about things a pony is good at and enjoys.

The star swirl spell seems like a perversion of the natural order.  I mean one might even call it chaos.  But before i make a point about "hay is star swirl you know who"

 

what was the spell really suppose to do?  The finished version?  what was the practical application of it?

I mean it's a catalyst for setting up the alicorn arc, and that's all well and good.

 

But like on it's own, with out forgetting about it, what does it do?  I think it's one of the biggest plot holes no one talks about of that episode.

 

So it swaps destines?  Why was this important?  More over why would did Celestial drop this off in Twilight's lap?  Was the spell itself just a means to an end,

as it would serve no further use once completed?

 

I mean yeah once twilight fixed it, the spell turned everyone back to normal.

But suppose it was finishes from the start and she casted it? 

What would have happened?  Nothing?  I mean the botched spell does the switch and the finished spell fixes the botched spell as far as I can tell.

 

Imagine if one major botched spell gave you roaches and the next killed them all.  I'd ask why you needed the first one.

[Malinter 3,064]

 

what was the spell really suppose to do?  The finished version?  what was the practical application of it?

I mean it's a catalyst for setting up the alicorn arc, and that's all well and good.

 

 

I think Starswirl figured out the Elements were the 'keys' to alicorn ascention. Problem is, Starswirl had no friends to help him turn the keys.

[FNGRpony 658]

I think Starswirl figured out the Elements were the 'keys' to alicorn ascention. Problem is, Starswirl had no friends to help him turn the keys.

 

So being able to manipulate the elements of harmony?

Does that imply the spell only affects the owners of the elements of harmony?  I mean that matches up with the canon fact it hit 5 specific ponies across town.

 

Heh kinda douchie of Celestail not to warn twilight, "Now be ready this is gonna bring disharmony to your 5 best friends but I have faith in you, that you can pull it off."

 

That's one  powerful, specialized spell for one very specific task.

[Malinter 3,064]

Well the spell uses the potency of the elements themselves so its going to be powerful regardless of the casters power. Its also odd how the spell is also automatic. In fact, does Twilight's horn even glow at all in that scene or is it the magic within the elements themelves?

[FNGRpony 658]

Well the spell uses the potency of the elements themselves so its going to be powerful regardless of the casters power. Its also odd how the spell is also automatic. In fact, does Twilight's horn even glow at all in that scene or is it the magic within the elements themelves?

Are you implying you don't even need to be a unicorn to cast the spell?

 

Careful LOL, I think you just opened up the door for the other 5.

 

I mean i'd find it funny if the cutie mark crusaders all became alicorns while being blank still LOL.

[Malinter 3,064]

Are you implying you don't even need to be a unicorn to cast the spell?

 

Careful LOL, I think you just opened up the door for the other 5.

 

I mean i'd find it funny if the cutie mark crusaders all became alicorns while being blank still LOL.

 

Well, they would have to at least be an element bearer. But even if another pony cast it it would probably not effect twilight as the tiara is the crown piece of the set and basically the pillar the elements work around.

[Luximus 482]

Call of the Cutie was a long time ago back in season 1. Since then, Twilight's magic has increased TREMEMDOUSLY, but I don't think even Celestia herself could just make a cutie mark appear. Remember that ACRace said, or tried to explain, when he did that "Bronies react to Magical Mystery Cure"? He said the pony finds the cutie mark which determines the destiny which determines the pony. If you have the wrong cutie mark for the rest of your life, your screwed. Even if your cutie mark appears by magic, your screwed if it's the wrong one, which is why magic isn't as powerful as the destiny of the pony. Also, if the cutie mark is wrong, the pony's true self is altered into something COMPLETELY different. If you're suddenly a different person, that changes your cutie mark changing your true destiny, which isn't what you're meant to be. It's kind of like Christianity in our world. God created you in a special way that only you have to figure out. Only YOU have to find and achieve your destiny. I think that's where Lauren got the idea of the cutie mark. Once you find out who you are, you can work hard at it to fulfill your destiny, which is exactly what Twilight did. My point is, magic can't determine a cutie mark to determine your destiny. And even though Star Swirled the Bearded's unfinished spell DID change their destinies, they were screwed BIG TIME! So no, magic can't do it. Only the pony can determine the cutie mark to determine the destiny.

[FNGRpony 658]

Well, they would have to at least be an element bearer. But even if another pony cast it it would probably not effect twilight as the tiara is the crown piece of the set and basically the pillar the elements work around.

 

And just like that we got a new evil plan for sunset shimmer.  (yep re using magical mystery cure, Alicorns, and Sunset shimmer, man have died for suggesting less loL).

 

I just wanna see that spell be used again, so i can look back at magical mystery cure and go "Ah that was totally worth it."

 

or at least sorta worth it.

[Flutter's lover <3 8,210]

Considering Magical Mystery Cure, and "The Cutie Pox"...they can only be changed/faked by powerful spells or potions. With Potions,well anypony could do it, just read the ingredients and boom.but a spell? well a powerful unicorn (Twily) would only be able to do them.

[Ianpiersonjdavis 514]

Maybe Cutie Marks can be forced to appear, as in MMC we know that they can be affected by magic.

 

So, it's a bit of stretch, but maybe Twilight lied to Applebloom and acted like she was actually trying to make it appear, but she wanted AB to learn the lesson she was supposed to by the end of the episode and mature natural as the act of earning a Cutie Mark also seems to build character as shown in Cutie Mark Chronicles?

[Sunny Fox 5,961]

Magical Mystery Cure doesn't contradict Call of the Cutie. In CotC, Twilight tried to make AB's mark appear by magic, which can't be done. In MMC, there are two major differences. First, the spell cast acted on the Elements of Harmony, not on the cutie marks. Twilight mixed up her friend's destinies, (or their "true selves", as she puts it) and their cutie marks changed because of that. Second, it was an entirely different effect, a mixing up rather than a conjuring.

 

I still believe cutie marks can't be affected directly by magic.