Nightmare Rarity arc writer felt that said arc made up for no S3 Rarity episode

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[post=https://twitter.com/HeatherNuhfer/status/434471099733008384]And I have the tweet right here.[/post]

 

Technically, it was an unintended coincidence that Rarity received a ton of focus in the Nightmarity arc, right after Season Three ended with "Spike, At Your Service" going from a Rarity episode to an Applejack episode.  But still, it was good to understand that Rarity still received loving, even if it meant getting her kidnapped and turned into a villain.

 

To further emphasize the point that the NR arc focused on Rarity, I'd like to think of it as the characters of Persona 4 getting kidnapped by their shadow versions, and having their feelings fed to said shadows.  Eventually, Yu Narukami and his friends fight the shadows, allowing the kidnap victims to confront them and accept themselves for who they are, the same way Twilight and her friends saved Rarity by teaching her that her friends would never abandon her.  In this way, it's actually more about the kidnap victims than it it is about the rescuers, because both Rarity and the P4 characters are kidnapped simply for their fears and insecurities, and not just to motivate the heroes toward rescuing them.

 

I'd also like to think of this as a repeat to "Party of One," in that Rarity learned the same friendship-lesson as Pinkie Pie: Her friends would never abandon her, no matter what.

 

I know I've beaten this to death, because I beat a lot of my topics to death.  But I still wanted to bring this up, anyway.

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Well, to be fair the Spike At Your Service episode was originally to have Spike serve Rarity forever and since we didn't get that the Nightmare Rarity arc in the comics made up for that.

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I thought it was because of these two reasons:

1- since no alicorns available were going to fall for it, they chose an unicorn, because, lest face it, magic is everything. And since Twily is the defacto leader of the group, kidnaping her would make things too hopeless

2- they just wanted to make sure the readers imagine her voice sounding the same as the show, and Rarity is also voiced by Miss Germain, just like Nightmare Moon and our dear Luna

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Well, to be fair the Spike At Your Service episode was originally to have Spike serve Rarity forever and since we didn't get that the Nightmare Rarity arc in the comics made up for that.

I do agree with you.  In a way, I almost felt that making an entire story-arc out of Rarity's insecurities about being abandoned, and getting possessed by Nightmare Forces as a result, was enough to compensate for "Spike At Your Service" going from a Rarity episode to an Applejack episode.  Hay, Rarity was freed for the same reason Pinkie Pie went back to her optimistic self at the end of "Party of One": She learned that her friends would never abandon her, and that they'll always be with her even if they're miles apart.

 

In fact, I also remember Rarity receiving the most Season One episodes out of the Mane Six, three of those episodes she shared with Applejack, Fluttershy, and Rainbow Dash, respectively.  As for the others, with the possible exception of Twilight Sparkle, the other four main ponies received between three to four episodes, some of which they had to share with the others.

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"Nightmare Rarity arc writer felt that said arc made up for no S3 Rarity episode"

 

[ghostfacekiller39 23,879]

No, it did not.

 

Nightmare Rarity was offensively-awful not concrete canon. It's ultimately fanon, since canon is unarguable facts. 

 

That being said, NMR is also not the same as regular Rarity that I love so, so much; she was a villain for almost the whole pile of fecal matter comic arc; given we didn't get to see too much of the actual Rarity, I feel that doesn't make up for the lack of presence in that time gap between S2 and S4.

 

Also, Rarity was portrayed as borderlining on OOC for almost all of S3; there was so much wasted potential in that aspect, given they played up her flaws for laughs, which, made her look bad, and, as evidenced by the 3 seasons around it that are good, Rarity is nothing like what we saw in S3.

 

Basically, they made her look bad by making light of her flaws, and then turned her into a villain in what was an extremely disappointing comic book arc.

 

We didn't get to see Rarity like we did in S1, S2, and now S4, in either of those two comic arcs. 

 

I'm actually offended that someone said this made up for how she was in S3; that's bullshit.

I almost felt that making an entire story-arc out of Rarity's insecurities about being abandoned, and getting possessed by Nightmare Forces as a result, was enough to compensate for "Spike At Your Service" going from a Rarity episode to an Applejack episode. 

Allow me to retort by saying that it was changed from Rarity to AJ because Rarity came across as too cold; of course, I'm not surprised, given the goddess of writing characters OOC, Corey Powell, wrote that one; she seriously needs to be fired. Can't learn the characters, shouldn't write them at all. 

 

Again, more evidence that Rarity was not only given a grand total of 0 episodes, but she was horribly misportrayed in a disappointing season, to put it kindly.

Edited March 1, 2014 by ghostfacekiller39

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No, it did not.

 

Nightmare Rarity was offensively-awful not concrete canon. It's ultimately fanon, since canon is unarguable facts. 

 

That being said, NMR is also not the same as regular Rarity that I love so, so much; she was a villain for almost the whole pile of fecal matter comic arc; given we didn't get to see too much of the actual Rarity, I feel that doesn't make up for the lack of presence in that time gap between S2 and S4.

 

Also, Rarity was portrayed as borderlining on OOC for almost all of S3; there was so much wasted potential in that aspect, given they played up her flaws for laughs, which, made her look bad, and, as evidenced by the 3 seasons around it that are good, Rarity is nothing like what we saw in S3.

 

Basically, they made her look bad by making light of her flaws, and then turned her into a villain in what was an extremely disappointing comic book arc.

 

We didn't get to see Rarity like we did in S1, S2, and now S4, in either of those two comic arcs. 

 

I'm actually offended that someone said this made up for how she was in S3; that's bullshit.

Allow me to retort by saying that it was changed from Rarity to AJ because Rarity came across as too cold; of course, I'm not surprised, given the goddess of writing characters OOC, Corey Powell, wrote that one; she seriously needs to be fired. Can't learn the characters, shouldn't write them at all. 

 

Again, more evidence that Rarity was not only given a grand total of 0 episodes, but she was horribly misportrayed in a disappointing season, to put it kindly.

You have a right to your own opinion, and unfortunately I must disagree with it.

 

Besides, I'd like to think of Rarity getting kidnapped and possessed as almost the equivalent of Persona 4, where each kidnap victim gets taken into the TV world to confront their personal demons in the form of shadows.  Eventually, those victims reject their shadows instead of accept them, allowing the latter to feast on the former's emotions and turn into a giant monster, and forcing Yu Narukami and his friends to free the victims from those shadows before they kill them.  Yes, by the time shadows are defeated, the victims confront them again and accept them, which would be the equivalent of accepting themselves for who they are.  However, they would not have been able to tame their demons without Narukami and company, because these victims did not have weapons to defend themselves at the time.

 

In a way, that would make Nightmare Rarity a shadow of Rarity, her personal demons made manifest into a malevolent queen, even though NR was controlling Rarity, and not trying to kill her like Persona 4's shadows.  And before you say she was just possessed by nightmare forces, let me tell you that said nightmare forces were all manifestations of every pony's worst fears and demons, and not just separate forces altogether.

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I'm more inclined to say that her Micro Comic did a better job at that 

Allow me to retort by saying that it was changed from Rarity to AJ because Rarity came across as too cold; of course, I'm not surprised, given the goddess of writing characters OOC, Corey Powell, wrote that one; she seriously needs to be fired. Can't learn the characters, shouldn't write them at all. 

 

Again, more evidence that Rarity was not only given a grand total of 0 episodes, but she was horribly misportrayed in a disappointing season, to put it kindly.

First off, Corey Powell didn't even touch Spike at Your Service, that was all Dave Polsky and Merriwether Williams(moreso Polsky since Williams did the revisions)

 

Secondly, a little overboard don't you think? I mean I'm not the biggest fan of Rainbow Falls either, but I wouldn't want her to lose her job over one bad episode, especially since I found her other two episodes to be great(I'm genuinely surprised at how many people disliked Just for Sidekicks here). Sure she probably writes Rarity the weakest of all the writers....wait a minute...

Edited March 1, 2014 by Megas75

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I'm more inclined to say that her Micro Comic did a better job at that 

Again, Heather Nuhfer said it herself: The NR arc was a happy coincidence that gave Rarity some loving.  Sure, she was a damsel-in-distress who needed rescue from her friends, but she wasn't just kidnapped to motivate the girls into facing the Nightmare Forces.  She was kidnapped for her personal demons, her fears that her generosity was being rejected by her friends.  At the end of the story, the girls free Rarity by teaching her that they would never abandon her, which was almost the same lesson they taught Pinkie Pie in "Party of One".

 

Though, at the same time, the NR arc was mostly about Luna trying to regain acceptance into the pony community, even after turning into Nightmare Moon.  By the finale, the ponies of Equestria accepted her as their leader and fellow pony, giving her the confidence to unite them against Nightmare Rarity and her army.  This also allowed the main girls to rescue Rarity with that aforementioned lesson, again from "Party of One".

Edited March 1, 2014 by Commander_PonyShep

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"Nightmare Rarity was not concrete canon. It's ultimately fanon, since canon is unarguable facts." 

 

 

The comics my be unofficial and not part of canon but they are also not fanon. The comic books creators have to interact a little bit with Hasbro and the show staff on their plotlines. Fanon is amateur productions made by fans with no interaction from anyone one the show. It's really not the same thing. It's a bit in the middle.

 

Sorry you hated the story arc so much.. Many did not.

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Sorry you hated the story arc so much.. Many did not.

I thought the arc wasn't as bad as most people make it out to be.  Why would more people hate the arc than like it?

 

Besides, I remember Equestria Daily making a poll that discussed which comic book arc was the most popular of them all, at least during the time that poll was made.  And, the Nightmare Rarity arc managed to beat the Return of Chrysalis arc and the Big Mac arc.

 

You can learn more about this by clicking here: http://www.equestriadaily.com/2013/09/poll-results-best-official-comic-arc-so.html

Edited March 1, 2014 by Commander_PonyShep

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You have a right to your own opinion, and unfortunately I must disagree with it.

 

Besides, I'd like to think of Rarity getting kidnapped and possessed as almost the equivalent of Persona 4, where each kidnap victim gets taken into the TV world to confront their personal demons in the form of shadows.  Eventually, those victims reject their shadows instead of accept them, allowing the latter to feast on the former's emotions and turn into a giant monster, and forcing Yu Narukami and his friends to free the victims from those shadows before they kill them.  Yes, by the time shadows are defeated, the victims confront them again and accept them, which would be the equivalent of accepting themselves for who they are.  However, they would not have been able to tame their demons without Narukami and company, because these victims did not have weapons to defend themselves at the time.

 

In a way, that would make Nightmare Rarity a shadow of Rarity, her personal demons made manifest into a malevolent queen, even though NR was controlling Rarity, and not trying to kill her like Persona 4's shadows.  And before you say she was just possessed by nightmare forces, let me tell you that said nightmare forces were all manifestations of every pony's worst fears and demons, and not just separate forces altogether.

Eh. I just found it to be poorly written overall, and the resolution was kinda insultingly dumb to me. I didn't enjoy the arc, but Rarity's role as a villain played no role in that; I quite enjoy Little Miss Rarity, to be truthful,  and she sure as hell ain't a hero there

 

 

 

I'm more inclined to say that her Micro Comic did a better job at that 

First off, Corey Powell didn't even touch Spike at Your Service, that was all Dave Polsky and Merriwether Williams(moreso Polsky since Williams did the revisions)

 

Secondly, a little overboard don't you think? I mean I'm not the biggest fan of Rainbow Falls either, but I wouldn't want her to lose her job over one bad episode, especially since I found her other two episodes to be great(I'm genuinely surprised at how many people disliked Just for Sidekicks here). Sure she probably writes Rarity the weakest of all the writers....wait a minute...

Sorry, I've got this extremely bad habit of getting SAYS and Just for Sidekicks mixed up This isn't the first time I've done that .

 

 

Regardless, I still think Just for Sidekicks was just as blatantly OOC as Rainbow Falls, and I've written post after post of why I feel Sleepless in Ponyville is complete rubbish. Many people should agree; the Spike they're complaining about now is similar to the one we saw in that episode, from the way I look at it.

 

And whilst Powell's absolutely HORRID portrayals of Rarity are generally why I hold her episodes in disdain, she has demonstrated that she cannot characterize the characters from the show at all in the 3 episode's she's done. That's why I feel she should lose her job; not just because of the fact I'm being petty and she sucks at portraying my best pony, but because she sucks at portraying all of the ponies, it seems. I don't think you should write episodes for a show if you can't write the characters worth a damn.

 

The comics my be unofficial and not part of canon but they are also not fanon. The comic books creators have to interact a little bit with Hasbro and the show staff on their plotlines. Fanon is amateur productions made by fans with no interaction from anyone one the show. It's really not the same thing. It's a bit in the middle.

 

Sorry you hated the story arc so much.. Many did not.

I paid good money for it, and it feels like someone took a dump in a pizza box and delivered to me after I paid full price for an actual pizza  :okiedokielokie: 

 

Regardless, "unofficial canon" does not constitute canon; I feel it shouldn't at all, given the prefix of "unofficial" seen before it   

 

I mean, I believe canon should be unarguable facts; like history and what not. While it's perfectly acceptable in my book to accept unofficial canon and even fanon as the show's canon (until confirmed otherwise, of course; the show should have final rule over what's canon and not) I refuse to accept any of the darker-themed comic arcs simply because I don't think it ties into actual canon that well at all  

 

And it's cool, man That story arc was just a huge disappointment to me   I was really excited diving into it, but by the time I finished it, I deleted every single file from my computer. I didn't like it one bit.

 

My whole point here, though, is that just because something is "unofficial canon" doesn't mean it works, and a lot of people don't have access to the comics, anyway  I just can't accept an arc I felt was so disappointing and showed little of the Rarity from the show as making up for her lack of an episode for whole season of official canon   -_- 

Edited March 1, 2014 by ghostfacekiller39

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Regardless, I still think Just for Sidekicks was just as blatantly OOC as Rainbow Falls, and I've written post after post of why I feel Sleepless in Ponyville is complete rubbish. Many people should agree; the Spike they're complaining about now is similar to the one we saw in that episode, from the way I look at it.

 

And whilst Powell's absolutely HORRID portrayals of Rarity are generally why I hold her episodes in disdain, she has demonstrated that she cannot characterize the characters from the show at all in the 3 episode's she's done. That's why I feel she should lose her job; not just because of the fact I'm being petty and she sucks at portraying my best pony, but because she sucks at portraying all of the ponies, it seems. I don't think you should write episodes for a show if you can't write the characters worth a damn.

Meh, different strokes I guess. I never found Sleepless or Just for Sidekicks to be OOC at all(and to be honest I enjoyed Rarity in Sleepless)

 

I have no idea what the fuck happened with Rainbow Falls though(though admittedly I didn't find everything out of charatcer, but too much bullshit really brought it down)

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Meh, different strokes I guess. I never found Sleepless or Just for Sidekicks to be OOC at all(and to be honest I enjoyed Rarity in Sleepless)

 

I have no idea what the fuck happened with Rainbow Falls though(though admittedly I didn't find everything out of charatcer, but too much bullshit really brought it down)

I've written blog after blog and post after post explaining why I felt that Sleepless was OOC; admittedly, I only watched Just for Sidekicks once or twice. I'm only dead certain on Sleepless because I used to run togethertube streams with a couple of friends every night, post a status on here, and we'd get like, 20 people watching ponies with us. That was one of the most requested episodes  But yeahh, different strokes for different folks

 

Meh. Back to the topic at hand, NMR arc did not make up for a lack of  Rarity episode in S3, and that's my final opinion on the matter -_- I will say the one where she went to that hippie spa was pretty good, though, and I wouldn't have problems with that being said to make up for a lack of Rarity episode If only it were more widespread.

Edited March 1, 2014 by ghostfacekiller39

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Meh. Back to the topic at hand, NMR arc did not make up for a lack of  Rarity episode in S3, and that's my final opinion on the matter -_- I will say the one where she went to that hippie spa was pretty good, though, and I wouldn't have problems with that being said to make up for a lack of Rarity episode If only it were more widespread.

Here's a little story that is probably off-topic:

 

Back then, I unintentionally trained myself into following other people's opinions and not my own.  I still do that, it's just that I'm now trying to train myself to form my own opinions and not listen to others', such as your's, for example.  That means part of me has an urge to instantly change my mind and agree with you, because what you're doing is persuading me otherwise.  Well, I'm not going to be persuaded, especially since I can't persuade you back, either.  I'll still disagree with you, even if you disagree with me, because what you're saying is just opinion, nothing else.

 

And besides, even if Rarity got kidnapped and possessed in the comics, I'd take that in any day of the week over no Rarity episode in S3 at all.  I'd take Rarity in almost any shape or form, period, even a Rarity who would've been a main focus of "Spike, At Your Service" despite her potential cruelty to Spike.