Super Saiyans From DBZ VS Alicorns

[Hive King 2,001]

That's how debates work, via arguing. In your case, it's not an opinion thing, it is a lack of evidence

[GXPBlast 597]

Dragon master and Shenron had been going at it for awhile lol. I really think each side cannot sway the others opinions at this point.

Dragon Monster= Alicorns win because MLP Freindship is magic

Shenron= DBZ wins because you know they actually have destroyed freaking planets before and have fought beings the MLP will probably never encounter or would stand a chance against. (I tend to agree with this one)

Lets get a new perceptive from other users

Edited March 17, 2014 by furgrid

[Hive King 2,001]

@,

You are very objective  

I love how you fail to acknowledge any of my points and make me sound like a blind fanboy.  

[Shenron00 366]

That's how debates work, via arguing. In your case, it's not an opinion thing, it is a lack of evidence

Well I'm sorry, I just haven't seen DBZ in so long, the only things I know about the Buu Saga came from character bios in video games, and the story mode, and the first few volumes ofbthe saga. I don't have money, so I can't just buy the Buu Saga. I saw all the movies, but its been a long time since I saw them. I'm just not in the mood to continue the argument. You don't have to be a dick about it. If you're not, then my bad.

[Hive King 2,001]

The manga is free and online and it's all you really need since the anime is non-canon

[Shenron00 366]

@,

You are very objective

I love how you fail to acknowledge any of my points and make me sound like a blind fanboy.

I have to agree with you there. You know more about the Buu Saga then I do, so I can't really take anything from that saga. I try to look it up on YouTube, but I can't find anything. Most of your points seem valid to me, I'm just not good at arguments/debates due to my horrible speaking skills and, as you said, lack of evidence. Sorry furgrid, but not all my points are valid, and not all of EDM's are bad.

The manga is free and online and it's all you really need since the anime is non-canon

I don't have a computer, I use my iPod. Whenever I try to read comics online, it kicks me out of Safari. Edited March 17, 2014 by Shenron00

[Zhortac 1,475]

If we're going by manga, then Gohan would win this hands down. He's shown more brain power in combat then Vegeta or Goku. Of course, this also depends on if we're talking about Teen Gohan, or Adult Gohan, because Teen Gohan has reservations about fighting to the death.

 

I also wanted to again point out that, Luna has the possibility to move FTL, based on her 1-2 second travel from the moon to Canterlot in the wedding episode. Science with how far the moon would have to safely be from a planet to avoid collision would mean, she can move pretty damn fast if she goes from there to Equestria in a second or two.

 

Also, I was wondering if there was also the possibility of the the alicorns using their magic like telekinesis and holding the saiyans in place? Like how unicorns can hold objects in any position and stationary in mid air. Because, during the Ginyu Force fight on Namek, Guildo used that kind of power to hold Gohan and Krillian in place to kill them both, and Guildo was weaker then both of them by quite a bit (he's probably the second weakest character on Namek at the time, only just above Kiwi). If they could use their magic to hold them in place, then really Goku is the only one who could get anything done, since he could probably instant transmit out of it.

[Hive King 2,001]

@@Zhortac,

Telekinesis can be broken if you are much stronger. Remember Chaozu against Nappa? Psychic powers have more range than ki, but they are still limited 

[Zhortac 1,475]

@@Zhortac,

Telekinesis can be broken if you are much stronger. Remember Chaozu against Nappa? Psychic powers have more range than ki, but they are still limited 

 

Well, Chaozu wasn't on the same level as Guildo with that. Supposedly, Guildo could've taken out Captain Ginyu with it, but he's such a wuss, he'd shit his pants of Recoome glared at him.

 

I say that, because if I remember right, the power gap between Gohan and Krillian, and Guildo was larger then Chaozu and Nappa, and Guildo held them in place pretty easy.

Edited March 17, 2014 by Zhortac

[Hive King 2,001]

@@Zhortac,

Not really.

Krillin and Gohan were stated to be above 10,000. Typically, they go by 5,000 increments so let's put them at 12,000-13,000. Guldo could be 8,000-9,000 and still be getting licked badly. This is telling because Krillin, who sensed Dodoria and Saiyan Saga Vegeta, says that Guldo is a pushover.

 

Now then, Nappa was about 4,000 and Chaozu was definitely the weakest of the Z-Fighters, let's put him at 1,200. 

 

That's a 3.3x difference vs a 1.3x difference

 

Assuming Guldo has similar powers to Chaozu, the best he'd be able to handle is somewhere around Monster Zarbon level, which makes sense since he's on the Ginyu Force

Edited March 17, 2014 by Evil Dragon Master

[Zhortac 1,475]

I thought Gohan and Krillain were close to 30k after Guru powered them up, and Guildo was like 18-19k. I know Ginyu was like 120k, and Recoome was pushing 70k during that fight, and Vegeta was like 55-60 before Recoome smashed him around like a soda can. Even though, Gohan and Krillain could've easily ripped Guildo a new one, the telekinesis is what gave him the edge and nearly killed them both. I suppose, older Gohan might of had enough training with Piccolo to have the mental stability to overcome it as well.

[Sanctified Absence 126]

Dammit made a mistake with that post, didn't read it properly. Apologies.

 

Let's get onto another point, I doubt Luna would have the capabilities for FTL speed simply because of how she has moved about in any other situation, as NNM she never showed much speed at all, as a matter of fact the fastest we've seen something fly is Rainbow Dash, and I'm not even sure she went much over the Sound Barrier. 

Edited March 17, 2014 by Blissful Chaos

[Zhortac 1,475]

I was wondering that myself, however due to the fact that she appeared in Ponyville the way she did, I'd place that on a long range teleportation rather than speed, otherwise she would've moved about MUCH faster than she did after her release.

 

That's not really much of an argument, since she was riding a chariot pulled by her guards. Celestia can fly, but is shown a lot coming in on chariot. I think that's just a royalty thing, to show regalness. That, or their guards are just so loyal, they'd rather pull them, then let them go on their own power to somewhere that's not as important as Canterlot.

[Hive King 2,001]

@@Zhortac,

Chapter: 274 (DBZ 80), P8.4

Jheese: “This is unexpected. Those little squirts' battle powers surpassed 10,000."

 

If Gohan and Krillin exceeded that, they'd say so. Guldo shat himself at that power, we can assume he's at 10,000, tops. 

Chapter: 275 (DBZ 81), P4.2
Context: Vegeta powers up to fight Recoom.
Jheese: "Hey, hey, Vegeta's battle power has risen up close to 30,000!"

 

Vegeta was not anywhere near 50,000

 

Chapter: 283 (DBZ 89), P11.1-3

Ginyu: "In my estimation, his ability looks like it's about 60,000."
Jheese: "Six... 60,000!? H-he's a Saiyan!! Whoever heard of a Saiyan at 60,000...?!!"
Ginyu: “It’s not impossible. He could be like us, a super-gifted warrior, born as a mutant…Looks like this will be an unprecedentedly entertaining battle…I never thought the time would come for me to show my true power.”

 

Ginyu says that 60,000 would be enough to cream the Ginyu Force. Recoome isn't 70k, I barely put him at 40k
 

[Zhortac 1,475]

I stand corrected. However, there was the fact that Gohan and Krillain both had no idea what Guildo could do, and Vegeta didn't really tell them he could do that. So, the element of surprise with it probably made it work better for a first shot.

[Hive King 2,001]

@@Zhortac,

Probably. However, again though, while psychic powers create a large bridge, they still have limits around the point your foe gets 3x stronger than you 

[Sanctified Absence 126]

@@Zhortac,

Probably. However, again though, while psychic powers create a large bridge, they still have limits around the point your foe gets 3x stronger than you 

 

Yeah, and that might be a massive problem for the Alicorns. They might have a few game ending spells up their sleeves but on raw power output the Saiyans appear to be WELL above the Alicorns.

 

So, one thing I would like to know. Just how durable do we think Alicorns are? I genuinely have no idea whether they'd be killed by a SSJ2-3 Ki blast or not.

Edited March 17, 2014 by Blissful Chaos

[Hive King 2,001]

@,

Magic, telekinesis, and magic are all different in the DBZ universe. What Freeza and Guldo use is just a biological function that's been harnessed, magic has to be learned.

 

As for surviving, the alicorns can do that. Babidi was able to shield himself from Fat Buu's Angry Explosion and Majin Vegeta's Final Explosion....all while he was cut in half! Considering how pathetic Babidi is, the alicorns will definitely be able to protect themselves, assuming they aren't blitzed

[Shenron00 366]

Well, Chaozu wasn't on the same level as Guildo with that. Supposedly, Guildo could've taken out Captain Ginyu with it, but he's such a wuss, he'd shit his pants of Recoome glared at him.

 

I say that, because if I remember right, the power gap between Gohan and Krillian, and Guildo was larger then Chaozu and Nappa, and Guildo held them in place pretty easy.

Well I'm not sure if this counts since its a filler, but there was a part where the dead ZFs (Yamcha, Tien, and Chiaotzu) fought the GF minus Ginyu, and Chiaotzu beat the shit out of Guldo. Again, this is filler so it might not count.

[Hive King 2,001]

@@Shenron00,

Filler never counts, if it did, Gohan fought 50% Freeza.

 

Besides, Chaozu had trained by that point and his telekinesis scales with power level 

[Zhortac 1,475]

Yeah, if filler and non-cannon content counted, we could just go, "dragon fist, game over."

[Hive King 2,001]

@@Zhortac,

If we count non-canon, then Mr. Popo would kick Freeza's ass and villains keep their bodies in Hell

[SBaby 660]

That's easy.  Goku and Gohan would bronify (let's be realistic, you know they would) and Broly and Vegeta wouldn't stand a chance when going up against the combined powers of the Alicorns and two Saiyans.  Not to mention, there's a 50 percent chance Vegeta would also bronify.

 

The thing people never take into account with these kind of vs matchups is the drawing power of the franchise.

Edited March 18, 2014 by SBaby

[Zhortac 1,475]

That's easy.  Goku and Gohan would bronify (let's be realistic, you know they would) and Broly and Vegeta wouldn't stand a chance when going up against the combined powers of the Alicorns and two Saiyans.  Not to mention, there's a 50 percent chance Vegeta would also bronify.

 

The thing people never take into account with these kind of vs matchups is the drawing power of the franchise.

 

Since Akira likes to goof off, and the reason he really didn't like how far DBZ went was because it was too serious, I can see that outcome happening

[InspiredBrony 31]

Are you kidding me! Alicorns wouldn't stand a chance! But for my love of ponies, I'm still in favor of the alicorns.