mega thread What are you thinking?

[Dawnshine Wonder 704]

6 minutes ago, ThePinkestofPones said:

'Jack just acted really out of character in my opinion, usually she's willing to listen, but I guess since she's been the one to care for Sweet Apple Acres all this time she didn't consider that others may be right on the matters about the farm

Where as Fluttershy was in character and with her knowledge about animals, she took an environmentalist approach to the matter. She really did get screwed in that episode though, I don't often see Fluttershy get treated like this by her own friends of all Ponies, but if they had listened to her, she would not have become Flutterbat in the first place. Twilight Sparkle would not have needed to cast that spell which backfired. Magic being as unpredictable as it is, while it can be used to avert disaster in a pinch, should be a last resort solution to a problem. They were lucky the Flutterbat transformation wasn't permanent.

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Bubble Bass in the newer seasons of SpongeBob has basically become Comic Book Guy from The Simpsons.

[Dawnshine Wonder 704]

I asked Octavia Scratch what she thought of the idea of Queen Chrysalis redemption. It's easy to hate Chrysalis, however I am not going to lie about this, I would think it be cool to see Chrysalis stop being evil. If MLP FIM had carried on not get cancelled, we could have seen this happen. 

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8 minutes ago, Dawnshine Wonder said:

I asked Octavia Scratch what she thought of the idea of Queen Chrysalis redemption. It's easy to hate Chrysalis, however I am not going to lie about this, I would think it be cool to see Chrysalis stop being evil. If MLP FIM had carried on not get cancelled, we could have seen this happen. 

The only issue I see there is it putting a hole in the 'not every villain is reformable' thing

[Dawnshine Wonder 704]

1 minute ago, ThePinkestofPones said:

The only issue I see there is it putting a hole in the 'not every villain is reformable' thing

Perhaps not, but if Chrysalis did not redeem, it would suck, both for her and other characters. I'm not joking when I say this, if I were in that fantasy world reborn as a Pegasi alternate timeline Equestria, like in my fan fiction, while I may be tempted to retaliate toward Queen Chrysalis sometimes for her rotten behaviour, there would be a mental barrier preventing me because I would not want to escalate conflict or become like her, cruel and selfish. And I think in a normal state of mind it would hurt my feelings, to see her so entrenched in her beliefs that she needs to inflict suffering for the survival of her hive, when Thorax showed a better alternative.

Yes, I would like my personality to be like Fluttershy's in that imaginary scenario, kind and gentle.

Given my troubled past IRL though, I don't know if I could compare myself to Fluttershy in MLP, I used to get into fights with people, I am sorry for it.

[Night Sky 265]

24 minutes ago, ThePinkestofPones said:

The only issue I see there is it putting a hole in the 'not every villain is reformable' thing

Agreed. Tirek / Tirac, King Sombra, Opaline, the Storm King, Cozy Glow and former Queen Chrysalis don't deserve another chance. They know exactly who and what they are and they'll never stop, they'll never change. They'd be someone else if they did. 

Trixie, Starlight Glimmer, Tempest Shadow, Discord and Diamond Tiara all did change. In spite of being very stridently in possession of their various unbalanced powers, these latter characters were all in another sense quite naive and somehow childish. It made them nasty, but destroying worlds and hurting ponies in masse, were not features of their epistemic orientation. When their lives took a turn, it brought out something else in them. 

The second group of ponies I've listed had serious problems. The first group of ponies WERE serious problems. Problems that needed to be solved. 

Friendship is real, Evil is real. Even in Gen 5. 

Edited Sunday at 11:03 PM by Night Sky

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1 minute ago, Night Sky said:

Agreed. Tirek / Tirac, King Sombra, Opaline, the Storm King, Cozy Glow and former Queen Chrysalis don't deserve another chance. They know exactly who and what they are and they'll never stop, they'll never change. They'd be eomeone else if they did. 

Trixie, Starlight Glimmer, Discord and Diamond Tiara all did change. In spite of being very powerfully in possession of their various unbalanced powers, these latter characters were all in another sense quite naive and somehow childish. It made them nasty, but destroying worlds and hurting ponies in masse, were not features of their epistemic orientation. When their lives took a turn, it brought out something else in them. 

The second group of ponies I've listed had serious problems. The first group of ponies WERE serious problems. Problems that needed to be solved. 

Friendship is real, Evil is real. Even in Gen 5. 

That's why I'm drawn to fan works like Rainbow Factory because it shows even normal characters lie about who they really are, I also like Scootaloo

[Dawnshine Wonder 704]

6 minutes ago, Night Sky said:

Agreed. Tirek / Tirac, King Sombra, Opaline, the Storm King, Cozy Glow and former Queen Chrysalis don't deserve another chance. They know exactly who and what they are and they'll never stop, they'll never change. They'd be eomeone else if they did. 

You might believe that but that doesn't mean characters should not try, in Episode To Where and Back Again, after defeating Queen Chrysalis, Starlight Glimmer tried to ask Chrysalis to stop aggression when she offered her peace, Chrysalis declined that offer of course and swore vengeance, however it was still an honourable thing for Starlight Glimmer to try. Not helping her in this way, immediately assuming all enemies are beyond reform, would have made Starlight Glimmer a hypocrite, and it really shows her character development here.

If I were in that fantasy world myself, I could not in good conscience not attempt the same for them, however angry I was, and another important thing to consider is that letting others make you miserable gives them power over you.

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4 minutes ago, Dawnshine Wonder said:

You might believe that but that doesn't mean characters should not try, in Episode To Where and Back Again, after defeating Queen Chrysalis, Starlight Glimmer tried to ask Chrysalis to stop aggression when she offered her peace, Chrysalis declined that offer of course and swore vengeance, however it was still an honourable thing for Starlight Glimmer to try. Not helping her in this way, immediately assuming all enemies are beyond reform, would have made Starlight Glimmer a hypocrite, and it really shows her character development here.

If I were in that fantasy world myself, I could not in good conscience not attempt the same for them, however angry I was, and another important thing to consider is that letting others make you miserable gives them power over you.

Do you think that maybe Chrysalis doesn't want to be friends because she only sees love as food and not a means of finding people to be close to? 

[Night Sky 265]

1 minute ago, Dawnshine Wonder said:

You might believe that but that doesn't mean characters should not try, in Episode To Where and Back Again, after defeating Queen Chrysalis, Starlight Glimmer tried to ask Chrysalis to stop aggression when she offered her peace, Chrysalis declined that offer of course and swore vengeance, however it was still an honourable thing for Starlight Glimmer to try. Not helping her in this way, immediately assuming all enemies are beyond reform, would have made Starlight Glimmer a hypocrite, and it really shows her character development here.

If I were in that fantasy world myself, I could not in good conscience not attempt the same for them, however angry I was, and another important thing to consider is that letting others make you miserable gives them power over you.

It's my opinion and I'm entitled to it. I feel very strongly about this. 

Unless this is a private thread, not open to the forum at large, if the normal rules still apply, if there's a public discussion about the reformability of the above mentioned ponies in progress, then my one and only contribution is going to be to state that I believe those specific ponies are beyond reform.

I have no interest in arguing the point, but if it's a public thread, I want my opinion on record.

[Dawnshine Wonder 704]

2 minutes ago, ThePinkestofPones said:

Do you think that maybe Chrysalis doesn't want to be friends because she only sees love as food and not a means of finding people to be close to? 

Does not change the fact this is a tragic outcome. If she is beyond reform, as what appears to be intended by people who created the show, then fine, keep her locked in stone indefinitely. However the way I see it, is now, she is an eternal prisoner, to never find true happiness ever again as a result of her actions which finally made even Princess Luna and Princess Celestia give up on her. There's something dark and disturbing about the concept of eternal punishment, no matter how you word play it. And while yes, both you and Night Sky are entitled to your opinions, as I am for mine, I still find it sad that some villains just don't find their way out of the darkness.

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Moments ago, Dawnshine Wonder said:

Does not change the fact this is a tragic outcome. If she is beyond reform, as what appears to be intended by people who created the show, then fine, keep her locked in stone indefinitely. However the way I see it, is now, she is an eternal prisoner, to never find true happiness ever again as a result of her actions which finally made even Princess Luna and Princess Celestia give up on her. There's something dark and disturbing about the concept of eternal punishment, no matter how you word play it. And while yes, both you and Night Sky are entitled to your opinions, as I am for mine, I still find it sad that some villains just don't find their way out of the darkness.

Oh I don't disagree, it is very sad, but sometimes it's out of your hooves, and there's nothing you can do, even if you try everything

 

[Night Sky 265]

26 minutes ago, ThePinkestofPones said:

That's why I'm drawn to fan works like Rainbow Factory because it shows even normal characters lie about who they really are, I also like Scootaloo

No one's perfect. Every pony is on a journey and there are never zero missteps. Ponies get used to incorrect beliefs about themselves and others. Entirely natural, friends can and do help, but really time and experiences are what sorts it all out. Which is how it should be. Not being honest with myself and others about who I am is something I know quite well. 

There's a gulf of difference between all of this and deciding that your own success and happiness looks and sounds like other ponies' misery. That is something else entirely.

Edited Sunday at 11:22 PM by Night Sky

[Dawnshine Wonder 704]

9 minutes ago, Night Sky said:

No one's perfect. Every pony is on a journey and there are never zero missteps. Ponies get used to incorrect beliefs about themselves and others. Entirely natural, friends can and do help, but really time and experiences are what sorts it all out. Which is how it should be. Not being honest with myself and others about who I am is something I know quite well. 

There's a gulf of difference between all of this and deciding that your own success and happiness looks and sounds like other ponies' misery. That is something else entirely.

I'm not particularly drawn to fan fictions that make serial killers out of the Mane Six though, but that's my preference. Others have their own.

[Night Sky 265]

Moments ago, Dawnshine Wonder said:

I'm not particularly drawn to fan fictions that make serial killers out of the Mane Six though, but that's my preference. Others have their own.

I haven't read it.

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1 minute ago, Dawnshine Wonder said:

I'm not particularly drawn to fan fictions that make serial killers out of the Mane Six though, but that's my preference. Others have their own.

I mostly just like Scootaloo, I wish Scootaloo got more fan stuff

[Dawnshine Wonder 704]

Moments ago, Night Sky said:

I haven't read it.

 

According to this it appears to be a sort of evil verse, or something like that, where Cloudsdale Rainbow Factory is an execution contraption of sorts. It's edgy, a little bit like Ms Rarity fan fiction is. The paradox of the MLP fandom is they seem to dislike Rarity's apparent but unconfirmed romance with Spike, yet they go out of their way to actually write Rarity behave in ways which are considered demonic. I know not all fans do this however it is something worth a mention.

Rainbow Factory | My Little Pony Fan Labor Wiki | Fandom

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2 minutes ago, Dawnshine Wonder said:

 

According to this it appears to be a sort of evil verse, or something like that, where Cloudsdale Rainbow Factory is an execution contraption of sorts. It's edgy, a little bit like Ms Rarity fan fiction is. The paradox of the MLP fandom is they seem to dislike Rarity's apparent but unconfirmed romance with Spike, yet they go out of their way to actually write Rarity behave in ways which are considered demonic. I know not all fans do this however it is something worth a mention.

Rainbow Factory | My Little Pony Fan Labor Wiki | Fandom

I think RF is meant to be about how even those you truly care for may turn their back on you

No doubt it's DEFINITELY edgy, but there's a twinkle of a story there

[Night Sky 265]

7 minutes ago, Dawnshine Wonder said:

 

According to this it appears to be a sort of evil verse, or something like that, where Cloudsdale Rainbow Factory is an execution contraption of sorts. It's edgy, a little bit like Ms Rarity fan fiction is. The paradox of the MLP fandom is they seem to dislike Rarity's apparent but unconfirmed romance with Spike, yet they go out of their way to actually write Rarity behave in ways which are considered demonic. I know not all fans do this however it is something worth a mention.

Rainbow Factory | My Little Pony Fan Labor Wiki | Fandom

I have a similar reaction to some of the Doomguy and Pinkie Pie ship memes I've encountered. There's something just wrong about it, especially if you've played Doom since 1994 and get certain references, yeah, Pinkie can get out there sometimes, but this particular genre just takes her in a direction that isn't necessary. Nothing good could come of the premise...the internet did not need it.

Edited Sunday at 11:45 PM by Night Sky

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I'm thinking how nothing I can do to get Jedi:  Survivor to work on this inferior PC.  It's the 2-year anniversary that nothing's changed of this situation.  I also think my lifestyle has caught up with me and wrecked me financially  

3 hours ago, Ice Princess Silky <3 said:

Now I am thinking on what to eat for dinner. 

Bratwursts are available in the kitchen.  Oops, there's only one left and you better catch it before Scootaloo the pegasus does.  

[Dawnshine Wonder 704]

6 minutes ago, Night Sky said:

I have a similar reaction to some of the Doomguy and Pinkie Pie ship memes I've encountered. There's something just wrong about it, especially if you've played Doom since 1994 and get certain references, yeah, Pinkie can get out there sometimes, but this particular genre just takes her in a direction that isn't necessary. Nothing good could come of the premise...the internet did not need it.

if a creepypasta is to be done of a MLP character at all I'd much rather it be done with a villain character. I have come up with some ideas on how to write Queen Chrysalis to be darker, like using her emotional energy drain as an apparatus of torture, she taunts her victims as they feel their life force fade. In the end I gave up on the idea, however some other fans out there probably have done this already. 

11 minutes ago, ThePinkestofPones said:

I think RF is meant to be about how even those you truly care for may turn their back on you

No doubt it's DEFINITELY edgy, but there's a twinkle of a story there

They could, but such concepts are usually done in parallel universe stories where that's more appropriate. I don't really see a plausible scenario where the main timeline characters would do such a thing, Rainbow Dash may be flawed, but come on, a fascist who eliminates "weak" Ponies is a stretch, don't you think? we have not seen her act in ways in the official show that would make her align with behaviours like that. The worst I've seen Rainbow Dash do in the official show, other than attempt to prevent her pet tortoise Tank from hibernating in winter, and blow up the weather factory at Cloudsdale, is name call and act over confident. Even in an instance where she stopped being friends with a Pony, I don't see it going that far to be honest with you.

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1 minute ago, Dawnshine Wonder said:

if a creepypasta is to be done of a MLP character at all I'd much rather it be done with a villain character. I have come up with some ideas on how to write Queen Chrysalis to be darker, like using her emotional energy drain as an apparatus of torture, she taunts her victims as they feel their life force fade. In the end I gave up on the idea, however some other fans out there probably have done this already. 

They could, but such concepts are usually done in parallel universe stories where that's more appropriate. I don't really see a plausible scenario where the main timeline characters would do such a thing, Rainbow Dash may be flawed, but come on, a fascist who eliminates "weak" Ponies is a stretch, don't you think? we have not seen her act in ways in the official show that would make her align with behaviours like that. The worst I've seen Rainbow Dash do in the official show, other than attempt to prevent her pet tortoise Tank from hibernating in winter, and blow up the weather factory at Cloudsdale, is name call and act over confident. Even in an instance where she stopped being friends with a Pony, I don't see it going that far to be honest with you.

Yeah, honestly she wouldn't do that, but the concept is really cool in my opinion, the making rainbows out of horses part, not the killing those who are 'weak' thing 

But that's just how I see it, I don't mind if you disagree

[Dawnshine Wonder 704]

16 minutes ago, ThePinkestofPones said:

Yeah, honestly she wouldn't do that, but the concept is really cool in my opinion, the making rainbows out of horses part, not the killing those who are 'weak' thing 

But that's just how I see it, I don't mind if you disagree

It's fine, not everyone is going to like or agree with my fan fiction either, even when it's done which would take years, if I ever do get around to finishing it, I'm okay with that, some people may not like the existence of the Bardo in the story because concepts of reincarnation mean characters do die, and this makes it sort of a dark fan fiction. The difference here though, is I create a sense of hope where characters grow, and eventually find their way to peace through consistent acts of kindness and learning from one life to the next, until they eventually reunite with ancestors in Nirvana. And even though this fan fiction is not going to be for everyone, it reflects both my wish for a better world, and with its alternate timeline Equestria thing, Mane Six are still not evil, however they do misbehave sometimes, their behaviour is similar to that in the original show. I wouldn't want to be in the weather factory when it blows up if I were in that imaginary world.

Edited Monday at 12:21 AM by Dawnshine Wonder

[Night Sky 265]

9 minutes ago, Dawnshine Wonder said:

It's fine, not everyone is going to like or agree with my fan fiction either, even when it's done which would take years, if I ever do get around to finishing it, I'm okay with that, some people may not like the existence of the Bardo in the story because concepts of reincarnation mean characters do die, and this makes it sort of a dark fan fiction. The difference here though, is I create a sense of hope where characters grow, and eventually find their way to peace through consistent acts of kindness and learning from one life to the next, until they eventually reunite with ancestors in Nirvana. And even though this fan fiction is not going to be for everyone, it reflects both my wish for a better world, and with its alternate timeline Equestria thing, Mane Six are still not evil, however they do misbehave sometimes, their behaviour is similar to that in the original show. I wouldn't want to be in the weather factory when it blows up if I were in that imaginary world.

I'd like the existence of the Bardo in your story or any other MLP fan fic, Buddhist and Hindu ideas are very much present in my MLP headcanon, and I would argue they are...highly latent in both FIM and Gen 5, as they are presented to us. So there's something we agree on.

Edited Monday at 12:29 AM by Night Sky

[Dawnshine Wonder 704]

12 minutes ago, Night Sky said:

I'd like the existence of the Bardo in your story or any other MLP fan fic, Buddhist and Hindu ideas are very much present in my MLP headcanon, and I would argue they are...highly latent in both FIM and Gen 5, as they are presented to us. So there's something we agree on.

Also I think it would be so cool to be a part of Equestria fantasy world, the characters are so cute. Even though I find it sad that Queen Chrysalis got imprisoned in stone at the end, I'd respect Luna and Celestia's judgement if I were in that fantasy world. It sucks, however it's not worth arguing about, Chrysalis invaded, caused trouble, threatened to destroy Twilight and her friends, got her comeuppance and that's all there is to it. That doesn't in any way make Luna or Celestia evil, and it does not make Mane Six evil either. They tried to reform Chrysalis, and so did Starlight Glimmer, and Chrysalis did not listen. In my view they're still endearing characters who do what they feel is best to protect their kingdom, that's all that matters here, the fact that they try their best, and realize some villains are beyond saving.