IridscentNionios 1,420 May 25, 2014 Share May 25, 2014 Did Twilight use ''Rainbow Powers'' by herself or with her friends?Thats the problem... They are there just for that moment and they might just as well have been vessels. OCs Thorough list of all of them here. FimFiction Profile Deviant Art ((All OC pictures in here)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordDiscord 289 May 25, 2014 Share May 25, 2014 Thats the problem... They are there just for that moment and they might just as well have been vessels. Lets just agree to disagree, this is getting off topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainblow H. Ash 5,091 May 25, 2014 Share May 25, 2014 Tirek was never shown to be able to hypnotize everypony, so that's definitely not a part of my headcannon. The situation really is way simpler than some of you are making it. Discord wasn't truly reformed, he joined Tirek, learned the value of friendship, Twilight Sparkle realized that Discord was now truly regretful and understood what friendship was now, and then she got her key and he's now truly reformed. It's not that hard if you just break it down like that. 1 #bringbackmerriwetherwillaims Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBaby 660 May 25, 2014 Share May 25, 2014 (edited) What is your headcanon though is that the elements lost their connection to Celestia after Nightmare Moon. It isn't stated anywhere... It's not headcanon, as much as it is the most plausible explanation, based on what we're told in the series, as well as what we've seen in previous two-parters. Yes if they hadn't forgiven Discord they might not have won but that doesn't mean they knew... But they would know, since it happened to them before (Return of Harmony). Edited May 25, 2014 by SBaby A Winner Is You!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IridscentNionios 1,420 May 25, 2014 Share May 25, 2014 It's not headcanon, as much as it is the most plausible explanation, based on what we're told in the series, as well as what we've seen in previous two-parters. But they would know, since it happened to them before (Return of Harmony). Plausible explanation still falls under the same category of headcanon and shall remain so unless confirmed. Equally plausible explanations exist. What happened to them? I don't understand what you mean. OCs Thorough list of all of them here. FimFiction Profile Deviant Art ((All OC pictures in here)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBaby 660 May 25, 2014 Share May 25, 2014 (edited) Plausible explanation still falls under the same category of headcanon and shall remain so unless confirmed. Equally plausible explanations exist. What happened to them? I don't understand what you mean. In Return of Harmony, the group was ready to break up at one point, and the Elements literally stopped working for them. So it's very likely that the same thing would have happened, had Twilight not forgiven Discord. She had to know this, since that isn't something you just nonchalantly sweep under the rug and forget. And plausible can be canon, unless someone comes up with a better explanation, or unless events in the series change things (I'm looking at you, DRAGON QUEST). This is especially true when events in the show imply (practically STATE) that this is what happened. Edited May 25, 2014 by SBaby A Winner Is You!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple.teal 50 May 25, 2014 Share May 25, 2014 Discord suffered because of what he did, so everyone could tell he was genuinely sorry for what he had done. That is not counting the fact that everything discord did worked out for the better in the end anyway. Every move he made pushed Twilight closer to opening the box. If you are going to walk on thin ice, you may as well dance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flutter's lover <3 8,206 May 25, 2014 Share May 25, 2014 (edited) You know, Fluttershy is where this whole thing with Discord hinges on. Her reaction to his apology said more than 15 minutes of exposition would ever do. It sold his redemption to me ... Twilight added the exclamation. Without Flutters, Discords arc falls apart. Actually his arc was my favorite part of the finale since it also acts as a parable for addiction and how loved ones react, even when logic should say walk away. The more I think about it, I may have erred when I said in another thread that I was disappointed in how she was handled this season. Her reaction to his apology, yes. Her simple "Iknow...." reply, she knew he was truly sorry for what he did. Discord NEEDS Fluttershy. Whether he knows it or not. Much like how The Joker needs Batman. She's been handled great this season,, other than in the end of "Trade Ya".She's seen a lo of development as a character,and I hope it continues into season 5. Edited May 25, 2014 by :Flutterdash: Fluttershy's lover, she's my waifu. I'm in love and obsessed with her, she's given me shyabetes. *Hnnnng* Yellow Pink Squee Blogs | Ask one of Fluttershy's biggest fans | Official Fluttershy fanclub page! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IridscentNionios 1,420 May 25, 2014 Share May 25, 2014 (edited) In Return of Harmony, the group was ready to break up at one point, and the Elements literally stopped working for them. So it's very likely that the same thing would have happened, had Twilight not forgiven Discord. She had to know this, since that isn't something you just nonchalantly sweep under the rug and forget. And plausible can be canon, unless someone comes up with a better explanation, or unless events in the series change things (I'm looking at you, DRAGON QUEST). This is especially true when events in the show imply (practically STATE) that this is what happened. Except she couldn't have known that the key to victory was inside the chest. No... That is simply you compromising... Just because someone or i haven't bothered yet to respond to this doesn't mean your answer is correct or that we should accept it. If we do there is no reason to look further into it and we are compromising for half truths you support. Mass Effect indocrination theory is a perfect example. Edited May 25, 2014 by nioniosbbbb OCs Thorough list of all of them here. FimFiction Profile Deviant Art ((All OC pictures in here)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvadel 1,393 May 25, 2014 Share May 25, 2014 Who says anyone really forgave him there? There just was not enough time post-resolution to really see what new relationship Discord will have with the ponies. It is not like they have an easy and readily available method of turning him to stone at the moment. It certainly wouldn't be in their interests to turn him away at this moment. That isn't to say he will EVER be trusted again, or at least not in the near future. 1 Silvadel, the Pegasus of Insight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeric 46,852 May 25, 2014 Share May 25, 2014 (edited) Plausible explanation still falls under the same category of headcanon and shall remain so unless confirmed. Equally plausible explanationsNot always. Sometimes ... but it depends. If Author or Creator never reveals their intent, it is free game. Even Hamlet is subject to new interpretation. Even If the Author or Creator says their intent was X ... the viewer is perfectly free to associate Y depending on the work itself. That doesn't mean Y is correct all the time though. If there is exposition and content to the contrary, then Y can be dead wrong. John Green's Looking For Alaska is a good contempory example of author intent being completely disregarded as he made that novel as a YA Christian Fiction novel. He seemed to be alone in that view. If Creator never reveals intent, and the majority believe one thing (Salinger's Red Hunting Cap) then it becomes the truth by anyone who accepts it. Head cannon is pretty vital to collaborative nature if art. Then again, I'm a firm believer that art belongs as much or more to the viewer. Not everyone is though. It's tricky, but if you ever tell someone that Huck Finn is not about slavery, and nature over man, or that those views are HC, duck my friend Edited May 25, 2014 by Jeric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IridscentNionios 1,420 May 25, 2014 Share May 25, 2014 Not always. Sometimes ... but it depends. If Author or Creator never reveals their intent, it is free game. Even Hamlet is subject to new interpretation. Even If the Author or Creator says their intent was X ... the viewer is perfectly free to associate Y depending on the work itself. That doesn't mean Y is correct all the time though. If there is exposition and content to the contrary, then Y can be dead wrong. John Green's Looking For Alaska is a good contempory example of author intent being completely disregarded as he made that novel as a YA Christian Fiction novel. He seemed to be alone in that view. If Creator never reveals intent, and the majority believe one thing (Salinger's Red Hunting Cap) then it becomes the truth by anyone who accepts it. Head cannon is pretty vital to collaborative nature if art. Then again, I'm a firm believer that art belongs as much or more to the viewer. Not everyone is though. It's tricky, but if you ever tell someone that Huck Finn is not about slavery, and nature over man, or that those views are HC, duck my friend For your information one of my friends has had personal experience with a writer whos poems were analyzed at school and i am perfectly aware of this. They assumed she meant X while she frankly admits that she might as well have been blabbering nonesense... I am of the philosophy "I know one thing i know nothing" by a greek philosopher possibly Socrates. Unless there is consencus about this and communal consensus at that i cannot confirm your theory or compromise for it however plausible it might be. OCs Thorough list of all of them here. FimFiction Profile Deviant Art ((All OC pictures in here)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBaby 660 May 25, 2014 Share May 25, 2014 (edited) Just because someone or i haven't bothered yet to respond to this doesn't mean your answer is correct or that we should accept it. Yet you have thus far fallen completely flat in every argument you have made, resorting to 'She couldn't have known that' as a defense. And now when we ask you to do something as simple as provide your own take on what happened (you know, the point of the topic), you fail to even do that. It sounds to me like your goal here has been to derail this topic into some kind of philosophical debate, instead of using basic logic, coupled with what we've been presented with in the show's own canon to come up with a reason as to why he was forgiven. As it is, Twilight may not have 'known' that Discord knew where the key was, but you can bet that she knew what would happen if she didn't adhere to the virtues that made them worthy of the Elements in the first place, especially since it's already happened to her. Edited May 25, 2014 by SBaby A Winner Is You!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IridscentNionios 1,420 May 25, 2014 Share May 25, 2014 Yet you have thus far fallen completely flat in every argument you have made, resorting to 'She couldn't have known that' as a defense. And now when we ask you to do something as simple as provide your own take on what happened (you know, the point of the topic), you fail to even do that. It sounds to me like your goal here has been to derail this topic into some kind of philosophical debate, instead of using common sense, coupled with what we've been presented with in the show's own canon to come up with a reason as to why he was forgiven. Twilight may not have 'known' that Discord knew where the key was, but you can bet that she knew what would happen if she didn't adhere to the virtues that made them worthy of the Elements in the first place, especially since it's already happened to her. One... Calm your tits. Two... It happens when you get passionate Three if that is what you meant you failed to adequately clarify and i agree. OCs Thorough list of all of them here. FimFiction Profile Deviant Art ((All OC pictures in here)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBaby 660 May 25, 2014 Share May 25, 2014 (edited) One... Calm your tits. Two... It happens when you get passionate Three if that is what you meant you failed to adequately clarify and i agree. First, nothing that I have typed up to this point should have in any way given an indication that I wasn't calm. I've been calm from the first word I typed in my take on this, up to this point. Second, I hate to say this, but I'm not that passionate about most things. I just found this to be an interesting topic, and my curiosity led me to start posting here. And finally, well, I guess fourth time's the charm. Though to be fair, I explained it pretty well in the first post I made in this topic. Edited May 25, 2014 by SBaby A Winner Is You!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeric 46,852 May 25, 2014 Share May 25, 2014 For your information one of my friends has had personal experience with a writer whos poems were analyzed at school and i am perfectly aware of this. They assumed she meant X while she frankly admits that she might as well have been blabbering nonesense... I am of the philosophy "I know one thing i know nothing" by a greek philosopher possibly Socrates. Unless there is consencus about this and communal consensus at that i cannot confirm your theory or compromise for it however plausible it might be. Which is exactly why I prefer the term "interpretation" over headcannon, particularly when it comes to themes such as a redemptive arc, predestination, or natural (or supernatural) indwelling. Headcannon, so far as I can tell, is almost used as a prejorative and tends to invite ad hominem. As the large comedian once said, "Me no likey". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IridscentNionios 1,420 May 25, 2014 Share May 25, 2014 First, nothing that I have typed up to this point should have in any way given an indication that I wasn't calm. I've been calm from the first word I typed in my take on this, up to this point. Second, I hate to say this, but I'm not that passionate about most things. I just found this to be an interesting topic, and my curiosity led me to start posting here. And finally, well, I guess fourth time's the charm. Though to be fair, I explained it pretty well in the first post I made in this topic. That is simply your perspective... Jumping to conclusions about my goal and making accussatory remarks gave me that impression of brewing hostility. Glad this internet misunderstanding was solved. Which is exactly why I prefer the term "interpretation" over headcannon, particularly when it comes to themes such as a redemptive arc, predestination, or natural (or supernatural) indwelling. Headcannon, so far as I can tell, is almost used as a prejorative and tends to invite ad hominem. As the large comedian once said, "Me no likey". I am a fan of Occam's razor theory which basicaly says that the simplest explanation is the truer one. I am sorry but i do not understand what prejorative means... Prerogative maybe? Also what does hominem mean? I am not born english... OCs Thorough list of all of them here. FimFiction Profile Deviant Art ((All OC pictures in here)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IridscentNionios 1,420 May 25, 2014 Share May 25, 2014 It is most likely that true forgiveness and trust won't come soon and that grudges will keep this event from being forgotten. A lesson about grudges or a dedicated episode to forgiveness is due with Gilda or Lightning Dust present hopefully. Discord will likely hopefully be challenged in matters of conscience on this matter and i hope the Mane 6 do as well... I keep thinking that guilt should be a factor to making ammends in both sides because it likely is a factor Discord was forgiven... Because they basically stabbed him in the back by not allowing him to be friends with them. Think this will happen? 1 OCs Thorough list of all of them here. FimFiction Profile Deviant Art ((All OC pictures in here)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeric 46,852 May 25, 2014 Share May 25, 2014 (edited) Could easily be one if the overarching themes in season 5. Especially with any one of the three characters you mentioned. Regarding Discord, His redemption arc started in Season 3, and even though I believe he is truly redeemed ... it doesn't mean he will be completely accepted. The antagonists you mentioned, along with Diamond Tiara, could easily have their own mini arcs, considering with the Princess/Council of Friendship is tasked with. Many of the characters have arch rivals (Rarity, Dash, Twilight, Applejack, CMC, etc) and tge show could having them address these rivals as champions of friendship would make for some great stories. Then again, I don't want them to compress too much in one season. Edited May 25, 2014 by Jeric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IridscentNionios 1,420 May 25, 2014 Share May 25, 2014 Well this could be interesting... Do you think Discord will try to spread this message of his forgiveness and friendship by maybe appealibg into other villains' such as Chrysalis? Just a thought. OCs Thorough list of all of them here. FimFiction Profile Deviant Art ((All OC pictures in here)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordDiscord 289 May 25, 2014 Share May 25, 2014 Who says anyone really forgave him there? There just was not enough time post-resolution to really see what new relationship Discord will have with the ponies. It is not like they have an easy and readily available method of turning him to stone at the moment. It certainly wouldn't be in their interests to turn him away at this moment. That isn't to say he will EVER be trusted again, or at least not in the near future. He was never trusted to begin with, and that most likely contributed to his betrayal. The should worry about get over what he did in '' Return of Harmony'' before they try to hold his ''betrayal'' over his head as they more than likely expected it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IridscentNionios 1,420 May 25, 2014 Share May 25, 2014 He was never trusted to begin with, and that most likely contributed to his betrayal. The should worry about get over what he did in '' Return of Harmony'' before they try to hold his ''betrayal'' over his head as they more than likely expected it.Imo he should focus more on making ammends with the rest of Ponykind and i suppose the mane 6 will notice. OCs Thorough list of all of them here. FimFiction Profile Deviant Art ((All OC pictures in here)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvadel 1,393 May 25, 2014 Share May 25, 2014 What are the wages of betrayal in cucumber sandwiches? Silvadel, the Pegasus of Insight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IridscentNionios 1,420 May 26, 2014 Share May 26, 2014 What are the wages of betrayal in cucumber sandwiches?Huh? ... -_- What is this i don't even... OCs Thorough list of all of them here. FimFiction Profile Deviant Art ((All OC pictures in here)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvadel 1,393 May 26, 2014 Share May 26, 2014 Huh? ... -_- What is this i don't even... In essence I am saying that it takes a lot of cucumber sandwiches to make up for that kind of betrayal. Silvadel, the Pegasus of Insight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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