Mand'alor Dash

Let me use your prior example of abortion... On one side, people say the moral is allowing the woman to make her own decision rather than taking it away from her - on the other side the moral is not taking away the life of the unborn child. My view is that both of those are valid moral arguments...

But for the concept of morality to have validity, two polar opposing actions can not both be valid and moral.

This is why I contend that the issue lie in the hands of biology. There is no "biological relativism" or nonsense like that to muddy the issue.

Simply put: Subjective morality defeats itself, and objective morality leads to atrocity (as is the case with honor killings)

But I subjectively think it's immoral to take the life of an unborn child (aka, I'm pro-life [or anti-abortion as you say]).   In other words, even though I understand that they are arguing from their own moral perspective, I view their stance as immoral.

Let me explain it like this: You believe them to be immoral. They believe you to be immoral. These premises can't simply be argued against one another. They rely on moral ideals that exist only in the minds of those who already agree with them. It's like an Englishman debating a Spaniard, neither understanding the other's language.

"Choice" and "life" are banners which masquerade as arguments. It gets even worse when camps start referring to their opponents as "anti-choice," or "anti-life," as if the issue has been boiled down to the point that it's completely light and dark. No point inbetween.

I'm not amoral like you say you are.

I'm not telling you to be, but I am asking you to keep a tally of how often ideologues substitute meaningless, esoteric moral arguments in the place of substance.

The governor of my state recently signed a $15 minimum wage despite acknowledging that it made no economic sense. Guess what word he used to defend it.

I can't say I agree with you on this. Essentially you're saying morality doesn't logically exist.   I believe it does logically exist.  Just because something may be a construct of the human mind doesn't mean it doesn't exist in reality.  

Constructs of the human mind have no physical form. They don't necessarily "exist" per se, but some can be said to be accurate representations of reality. Mathematics, for example, is a carefully constructed series of rules and operations designed to work in tune with a wide variety of fields. Science, economics, history, music... Math has been proven to accurately predict and describe the workings of the world in a way that morality has not.

To be honest, the more I think about it, for one to say he is amoral sounds slightly socio/psychopathic.   Not that I'm saying you are - I'm saying that I think you're explaining yourself in an odd fashion.  

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I know you didn't mean it that way, but there really is no nice way to say that.

I'm an emotional sap just like anyone else. I hug dogs and cry at the end of movies . Feeling is great, just don't let it dictate the way the country is run.

With my predisposition in understanding that it's an inevitable "thing" for people to sugarcoat their stances, for either side, I'm not so sure I can follow what you mean by saying you're amoral (in terms of abortion specifically).  

The entire post was written as a stream-of-consciousness, which is why it reads more like a rant than a scientific journal. One major point of this that I possibly didn't do very well in elaborating was my view that morality is a disguise.

Complex issues, requiring an incredible amount of logic and evidence to debate effectively, are effectively reduced to soundbites and buzzwords because it's easier to build an echo chamber. Morality is built inside of these echo chambers, and screamed at max volume whenever people don't want to argue like adults.

Pointless buzzwords that serve no logical purpose, draped in a guise of morality. This is what has taken over political discourse in our world. I have an opinion on abortion, I just don't drape it under undeserved righteousness.

As much as I hate having to use this word... I believe there exists two types of "moralities" - an objective one, and a subjective one.  Now, understand that I believe nobody can judge their own morality or anyone else's on an objective level - only may we judge it subjectively.  The "objective" morality I speak of is in a different sense - I see it as "does a moral exist in this [situation]." If it does or doesn't, that is the objective morality I'm talking about.  But one's *view* on what that morality *is*, is the subjective part.  

So, when a Muslim man beheads his wife in an honor killing, you are not disturbed by the fact that there are millions who consider his actions "objectively moral?"

One can "interpret" morals to their heart's desire, but this does not change the fact that all existing schools of moralistic thought can, have, are, and will be used to promote atrocity. Whether it's the middle east, the DPRK, or the Soviet Union, once enough people believe that something is "right" simply because it is, that is the course that history will take. And it usually does not end well.

To apply that route of thinking to your position in your blog blog here - when you say that you're amoral, you're saying you don't have a subjective view (or possibly rather, don't care to have one) on the morality of the issues, right? Essentially what I'm trying to understand is whether or not you agree that morality exists by default in the way I see it or not...  

I believe that morality is a construct of the human mind, either built within a man's mind to justify or temper his own actions, or indoctrinated into his mind by somebody else.

In either case, the idea of moral principles superseding reality is what I despise. There is no shorthand to life. There is no cheat guide to making good decisions. There is no checklist to being a "good person," and putting on a righteous mask does not score you a shortcut.

I am amoral because I own neither the checklist nor the mask.

I disagree more with the philosophy of cynicism, though, not because of the concepts of it but what people have used it for. Based on my experiences with debating I always feel like people use pessimism, cynicism, or defeatism to paint themselves as the intellectual "realist" while berating the patriot or the optimist as the delusional and ignorant reactionary. It honestly just pisses me off.

I agree that pessimism and realism are not one and the same. Saying the sun is going to explode tomorrow is certainly pessimistic, but you'd have a hard time finding an astronomer who can back that claim up.

There are delusional morons on any side. What they have in common is that most of them (not all) love to stand atop a high moral horse and preach about how their way is the only way to see the world. Others use their "morality" to justify actions that are beyond despicable, since no train of logic or rationality would have ever led there. Seeing too many of those people in the world is what made me a cynic.

Thought I'd add something.

 

If you believe life begins at conception, you need to not only show evidence of that but also show that life itself contains value. If you're amoral, you can't assume moral premises of any kind, including ones that assert that human life has worth.

This is something I have considered. Logically, I consider it a dead end. Obviously, no good came from mass loss of human life from events such as the Holocaust or the Great Leap Forward; so rather than chase my tail into nihilistic oblivion, it's simpler to just say that the average human being, until proven otherwise, is of more use to the world with his heart beating than without.

I don't consider it a moral because it's not an absolute. Osama Bin Laden and Che Guevara are of more service to the world as corpses, but they are far from the average human being.

In other words, I'm a cynic, not a nihilist.

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Congrats on your first post.

I may not completely know what is going on, and we may have very rarely interacted with each other, but your reaction has pretty much made me lose all respect for you. Call me an asshole if you want, but this is how I feel about this.

If people get to speak their minds freely on Ky's own blog posts, I'd say I respect him more.

What, for Poniverse? I was revoked of my position for that as well. So, nope. I don't think I would want to post for Poniverse at this point anyway.

Over the same incident?

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Fuck, that's gonna bug me forever.

Peace, Ky.

I almost posted a status about that. There was a video parody that had me rolling on the fucking floor, but I ended up not doing it cause I didn't want 800 warning points shoved up my rectum.

They're not giving us their best, they're giving us the murderers, the rapists, the Breadwinners, that sort of shit. We don't win with cartoons anymore. They're killing us in cartoons, China's killing us with anime, they're killing us in Canada, where does it stop? I'm the only candidate who vows to make My Little Pony real. And not only that, but Mexico is gonna pay for it.

If you're worried, you should really see a doctor. Video games aren't the only thing that can cause seizures.

I didn't read your thing, but this makes me want to review God's Not Dead.

 

That movie was kind of crap.

The reviews I've seen were not the least bit flattering.

It would be a good movie. I wish us Christians would get on with it.

Just don't let Kirk Cameron on set.

Saw this on Reddit. Brilliant son of a bitch should have made it even longer.

If you're a veteran, and the sound of gunfire brings back unpleasant memories, then that's a real thing. That's what trigger warnings were made for.

If you're a gender-gaseous star-kin, and claim to be oppressed by the color beige, then you are scum, and are ruining the concept of "triggers" for the people it actually helps.

Finish your list of 100 with The Police? Brilliant.

There's still 20 songs after this one.

Wait...Candy Star left the site? When?

His name's greyed out. Probably not his choice.

True, but life was still hard at that time. Some of these ruins where still there till the 60s and it no matter how often you see this, it's still depressing to see that.

 

Most of the stuff that was in ruins is rebuild today, but the port was the worst and most of the stuff from that time, is not there anymore.

So, if this is your hometown, were your grandparents in Bremen around that time?

It's amazing how life goes on even as huge chunks of the city lie in ruins.

I guess after four years, you kinda get used to it.

A 20 becoming 100. That's inflation for ya.

WHYYYY DONT WE DO IT IN THE ROAD, WHY DONT WE DO IT IN THE ROAD, NO ONE WILL BE WATCHING US, WHY DONT WE DO IT IN THE ROAD

Is it bad that I kinda like that song?

Did you have any Ink Spots?

Yes, in 1940.

Great work and dedication to this project you've done. A great way to know a bit of history while especially knowing music's past and seeing how music has involved in the last century.

Thanks, man. Worked hard on this.

On the other hand, I don't feel like she's really the best person to always look up to since she's appeared somewhat brass occasionally. I also appreciate the basic message behind Born This Way, but-not to be an overzealous zealot here but have you ever heard anybody use 'Orient' to describe Chinese people seriously anymore? Have you? ...plus, I have a feeling that sometimes she's trying too hard. I think that her choice of...unusual appearances is half her own way of expressing herself and half to get attention. *thinks of seeing meat dress all over the headlines a few years ago and cries*

Can't say I agree with the negatives. For starters, "Orient" just worked better for the flow of the song. "Or-I-Ent." Three syllables. Compared to "Chi-Nese," which is only two. The song demanded a three syllable word.

And while Gaga'a attention whoring might be a little ridiculous, at least she's creative about it. I'll take the meat dress any day over Miley Cyrus grinding against Robin's Thicke. Gaga, to me, the only pop star with any sense of sincerity in the modern music scene. Everyone else just seems like a colossal fake.

Oh, and uh... Stay tuned for tomorrow.

You didn't think I'd stop with a whole 'nother year left, did ya?

You've done a fantastic service and job forming these blog posts in your countdown. Your determination, intellect, and vast knowledge on the subject of Music's history is something I envy from you

 

Good work.

Thank you, but I assure you my knowledge is not at all vast. xD

Some of these eras I have only a cursory knowledge on, and I had to do research on each individual year to pick a song. There were also many very notable artists that I just missed out on altogether. To name a few: Jimi Hendrix, Bob Dylan, The Doors, and Nirvana. I even missed out almost entirely on 1980s hair metal and rap.

I'm glad you loved it! It's very encouraging to hear this, but there's alot I would do better if I ever tried this again.

I'm not comfortable with recent political events. Bad memories of my dad obsessing over them. I just pray for the day when all spiritually inclined people like myself decide to take traditional thoughts with a grain of salt and learn to respect people of other religions and atheists like yourself. /:

 

 

Also, I love Adele. Though, it's cliche but I consider the best song from this album to be Someone Like You. I'm not going to get into it because it'll just be stupid teenage stuff but it reminds me of somebody who I happened to start to have a crush on recently used to be my best friend. And I don't think she's attracted to my sex either ;-; *sighs* Anyway, I can't wait for 25, if it's actually released this year.

 

 

One other thing, are you continuting up until this year? I have a guilty pleasure for mainstream radio and personally I think that Panic in the Disco song is the best song released this year so far. It's pretty badass lol, that's just my opinion though

I am continuing up until this year.

I think I've heard the PATD song you're talking about. I like it too, but it is not my 2015 pick.