JCKane

I just looked at it and got nothing but "Rumored this and that" links.

I wouldn't say we fully derailed. As my talk of my theory for Celestia's past was in accordance to explain a possible way for her to come back again. Which is a rumor. Not confirmed. Not saying it's impossible.. but it's still a rumor.

It's only rumor on when the series will end. So you never really know.

My 'spoiler' preference really does depend on a lot of factors. But in this case, I try not to find out about the main plots of episodes... and what you put, gives me a good idea of what may or will go down for the plot of the episode, in which case I feel is a spoiler. But let's not get off topic Which is really, I think it is possible for Daybreaker to show up again. There's various reasons on how it could be done, including my theory and your typical brain washing or alternate dimension/timeline possibilities. Which tbh, it did make me a little sad on Season 5's finale... I would of loved them to expand a few of those alternate timelines... which sadly, it's not the only time I had wished they'd of extended parts of the episodes, though I do understand why. Included in this is Twilight using the memory spell on her friends in Season 2 ep 2, which I would of enjoyed seeing a more extended versions of her trying to get them fixed, like with the first one. The other was during the season 3 finale which I would of enjoyed a more extended version of each of them helping fix the problems for their friends (like fluttershy's did) but I understand at the time it may have been the series finale... and I do like the song nonetheless

I've not seen the Mean 6 nor is it officially out yet... so please watch out for spoilers like that. (especially I can see things like that as spoilers because I can easily realize plots and things because of such things.)

You do know that that goes more towards my point. Which is that villians could use the elements of harmony.

She still used it, regardless of it's intended purpose, it was still used by an evil person.. and with the tree of harmony having some sentience, it would of stopped her. No one's perfect

Actually that's not true. In EG1 sunset used the element of Magic to her own evil plans. Rather you want to ignore the series/movies or not, it still happened. I guess that's true.. but doesn't mean she didn't think these Ponies could wield them... But I mean she could of been 'having fun' with them or something like that. Or maybe she wasn't up to full strength yet and needed to fine another way to keep these ponies away from the elements.

Yeah, when it comes to how exactly the sun and moon work... it can get pretty confusing. Assuming Nightmare Moon didn't use the elements of harmony to Banish Celestia to the moon in the But what cartoon villain doesn't like to make a grand entrance and give off her list of demands! As for why she didn't go straight for the castle... that's assuming she didn't and she needed more time to find the element of Magic and she noticed a group of ponies heading her way. Also, it's possible she realized they could harnesh the elements... but it is true... doesn't explain why she bothered them persay.

It could of easily been a spell, not nessiarily she'd have to have the ability to control the stars... Plus, the 'sun' is a star and it is possible for others to do Celestria's job for her just it drains them... and Celestia can even move the moon herself. it'd also explain why it took 1000 years as the stars could of had to be aligned just right. But again just a theory As her disappearance... I doubt she banshed her to the moon anyways... as we got multiple shots of the moon during that time and we seen what the moon would look like with celetria sealed inside. Personally, I believe Celestia was just watching Twlight and her friends from afar. And Nightmare Moon didn't go straight for Celestia… well for 2 possible reasons.. I mean she DID go to their old castle... so she may not have known "Her princess was in another castle" ( ) Then it's also possible that she believed she needed to get the Elements of Harmony in order to prevent her sister from defeating/banishing her again.. Thus she went after them first.

Yeah, but, as in my theory, I believe that Celestia has already expierenced her 'wake up' call before the start of the series (I believe it probably happened before she even found out about Twilight's abilities). So she's more ok/lax with it because she's already learned her lesson. This doesn't mean she's become Daybreaker before, but simply means she came close and got a wake up call. Plus, it's not always just 'Acquire as much power as possible' but more that she will seek out more power when she believes she needs it, even if there's a better way. Like with the banishment of Nightmare Moon... It is possible she could of tried to reason with her or figured out how to 'reform her' using the elements of Harmony... but in her mind, she only saw one solution... using powerful magic to 'contain'/seal away her sister... as what she did was a 'show of strength' in a sense... Using power to get the end results... Could of also been the 'wake up' call as she could of realized later that she was wrong to banish Midnight Moon, and there was another way... so she, herself, may have set up the things in motion to how Midnight Moon escaped, and the 'waiting' was more because maybe she had to wait for the stars to align or something *shrug*. Would also explain why she 'disappeared' and had Twilight and her friends save Luna... because Celestria might of been scared she would mess up again... or realized she couldn't get the job done or something. *shrug* But again, just in theory.

well, it's a bit different tbh. With what I'm saying with the possible Celestia's past. She wanted power to help defend the people she cared about. Midnight Sparkle's quest for power was more a 'learning' type thing. She had a thrist for knowledge and that thirst ingulfed her when she found out about this new power that she didn't understand.

Right. So really, I don't think that Celestia had ever become Daybreaker in the past. But more so that it could be one of her underlining fears. But... not nessiarily Daybreaker… but that she may go 'overboard' with power. Because, it is possible that Celestria has a problem with wanting to use/acquire magic... I think the term is a 'power complex'... I forget. But in a sense, it's possible that she has a tendency to want to get more powerful or obtain stronger magic so she can get stronger as this is how she believes she needs to do in order to protect those she cares about (rather her relatives, friends, and subjects). She could vary well be worried that she might go overboard with this... and it's possible she's had to deal with that on occasaion and even had a scare herself where she nearly did go overboard. personally, I think this is really true and something she does struggle with... or at least did struggle with it and now she's still got that underlining fear of going too far. She's even had a few times where I think she's shown she might believe that 'more power' equals 'safer'. First with her using the elements of Harmony against Discord... Notice how Luna was being a bit of a 'voice of reason' to Celestria as she wasn't sure if it was a good idea, while Celestria was for it. Then again, when Celestria wanted to reform Discord... Notice she said "I believe his magic can be a force for good" Which almost implies she wanted to reform Discord for his abilities than because she wanted to see him changed. Granted, she did become friends with him (as indicated in a few episodes) but it wasn't her original intentions. This could also explain why she left the elements of Harmony with the Mane 6... or saying 'she couldn't use them' it may have been a lie or scape goat because she didn't trust herself with using them again. This is all surcumstancial and we don't know too much about Celestria's past anyways... so this could be something and could eventually lead to a 'Daybreaker' coming into a future episode... where she'll believe she needs to 'get stronger' in order to save her people or what not. Oh, and yes you see her sacrificing herself and having others do the battles for her.. but this could vary well be the fact that she already had a 'power overload' scare and has 'learned her lesson'. Doesn't mean the fear is still there though.

Honestly, this could be a few things... but that does make the most logical sense. After all, Daybreaker wouldn't need to introduce herself if Celestia knew who she was... Not to mention all the times she went out of her way to pretty much say "You'll become me sooner or later" All of her talk to Celestia was that she either 'will' or 'should' become her. And no where in her talk did she use any context that meant she should become her 'again'. With that being said there's 2 other arguments to be made... 1) She introduced herself as more for the audience (those watching the show) than the people she's talking too in the show... which I've seen done in other shows.. 2) This Daybreaker is again... a dream. more specifically from Starlight's dream. So she'll most likely only have the 'knowledge' that Starlight herself has. So if Starlight doesn't know Daybreaker didn't exist before now (not to mention Daybreaker would be more from the imagination of Starlight anyways as again it's her dream), then Daybreaker wouldn't know that Celestria had become Daybreaker in the past. Now with the Daybreaker being what Starlight imagines an 'evil' Celestria is... then 1 of two things could be going on with Daybreaker trying to get Celetria to 'succumb to becoming Daybreaker'. 1) Simply put the personality that Starlight gave Daybreaker simply has her wanting to do just that... or 2) Once Celetria entered Starlight's dream... (and due to her inexperience) parts of the dream began to mold away from just Starlight's 'imagination' to also that of Celestria. As in, when entered the dream, due to her inexperience it became part of her dream too. Thus, Daybreaker began to take up traits from Celestria's imagination. Which may also explain why Daybreaker tries to talk Celestria into becoming her.. because it's possible that Celestria herself has a fear somewhere inside of her of eventually becoming Daybreaker.

Wait, which luna automatically knew who Daybreaker was? Nightmare moon or the real Luna? Because if Nightmare Moon, then well she was a dream anyways so she's allowed to know things regardless of rather the real Luna would know or not. If the real Luna... well, for starters it is possible that maybe Luna had seen her in nightmares before. Not to mention to 'support' the 'lazy writing' Most of the time, when a character is introduced, typically they don't like to retell who a character is, or even a situation. They tend to skip these things and just 'pretentds' the character heard the name. So in a way, she 'knew her name' because the writers didn't want to have to reintroduce her.