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Cherry picking is my special talent, bro. Behold! My ultimate comparative work!

Regarding? You mean your assertion that these Switch fans who think BotW looks way better than Sw/Sh are imaginary? They are literally a dime a dozen at this point, bro. You want some links or sommat? I'm more surprised that you have yet to encounter such individuals than anything else atm.

Holy crap! Did I just get Celli to admit the Switch has inferior hardware?!

This is irrefutable truth. While the inclusivity pandering definitely added an extra layer of cringe, the entire movie was such a trainwreck that even an all male cast would have a nearly imperceptible effect on the movie's quality. The problem with Ghostbusters 2016 casting was they went for very "low-brow" actresses and humor in general. The old cast were actually classy while still funny. Can't replace actors that have passed away unfortunately (unless you wanna pull a Rogue One; which was coincidentally a movie with abundant diversity pandering yet unironically the best Star Wars film I've seen since Revenge of the Sith).

I cannot agree enough with that sentiment. Well... I suppose when speaking on entertainment media wherein story/ characterization is paramount to one's overall enjoyment. Video games as a medium are not one of these instances (imho). What matters most about a game is whether it is fun to play. Does the gameplay itself satisfy the player. Story, characters, music, and admittedly even graphics are all secondary or even tertiary in comparison to the metaphorical "meat" of the experience (I say this being a massive graphics whore myself). That being said, there are, of course, outliers and general exceptions. The RPG genre in and of itself pretty much demands at least a sizable amount of attention be paid by the developers to creating a compelling narrative and interesting characters. A game like Overwatch, on the other hand, uses character traits and backstory as flourish; in essence, a superficial method of making the product desirable to the consumer. I am not merely referring to Tracer's inclusion, but that of all the characters and how they are portrayed in and outside the actual game. Adding superficial flourishes to a game is not inherently negative. On the contrary, it can make the game feel like it has SOUL. Just look at all the superficial crap crammed into games like Super Mario Odyssey or A Hat in Time. Instead of detracting from the experiences it instead enhances them with a gonzo, whimsical charm. The problem with "forced diversity" is that it instantaneously breaks immersion in the world that these devs/writers are attempting to create. It feels like the only reason these types of characters are being included is to gain praise from those in support of the whole inclusivity movement. This is why there only exists an outcry over NEW entertainment media. Back in the 90s and even early 2000s, there were plenty of series focused on minorities, females, etc. Look at how beloved shows like Static Shock or Kim Possible/MLaaTR are amongst cartoon communities. Those series went out of their way to do something AGAINST the grain of societal norms. That is the very embodiment of soul. Nowadays, these writers throw in "diverse" characters as a safety net. They know if they include a protagonist who's female, black, gay, trans, etc, that they will automatically be safe from the vast majority of criticisms no matter how shitty their work actually is. That isn't "brave" in the least. It is cowardly and shows lack of artistic integrity. And this mentality isn't exclusive to the Western world either. Just look at Catherine: Full Body for a recent example. A game wherein the main character was always portrayed as exclusivly straight now has the option of choosing a literal tranny as a romantic interest. Truth be told, I do find Rin to be incredibly sexy, personally, and the fact that he is a biological male makes him all the more irresistible, but it seriously irks me as to WHY he was included to begin with. If these devs/ writers wanted to be "brave" they should have tried putting "diverse" characters like this in games back in the 90s. Like Poison from Street Fighter for instance. But regardless of all those facts opinions highlighted above, back to the topic at hand. Yes, in movies, tv shows, comic books, anime, manga, etc etc, the absolutely most important thing is "personality and story" as you so succinctly put it.

@Goat-kun

Don't get me wrong, I thought they were well modeled too... for the time... and for the 3DS. But we're on the motherf*cking Switch now for Celestia's sake. There's been such a massive step forward in the over-world presentation that one would assume there would be equal improvement to the in battle scenarios as well. On a semi-unrelated note, why in the bloody hell aren't we getting a proper fully controllable camera? What is the meaning of this bullshit? The game would look fucking incredible if not for those fixed overhead angles. Expand the image below for a taste of what I'm talking about. ^And worst of all, it's a nearly effortless fix on Game Freak's part. Why are they so opposed to giving us freedom of control over the perspective? The increase to overall immersion whilst playing through the main campaign would be unprecedented with this one simple alteration.

As much as I find myself defending Sw/Sh on other forums, I simply cannot defend this: Completely unacceptable.

What are your thoughts on forced diversity in entertainment media?

When indie devs are capable of creating something that looks like this, it becomes quite challenging for me to defend BotW's compromises. Is it fair to compare a pc game running at max settings to AAA Nintendo release? Probably not. But that's the point. Nintendo is so goddamn far behind it's not even funny. Nintendo fans have become complacent with visual mediocrity; which is a travesty as far as I am concerned. And this doesn't merely apply to games pursuing "realism" either. Just take a look at either Spyro Reignited Trilogy or Kingdom Hearts 3 to see how beautiful games with a "cartoony" aesthetic can look if the devs actually give a damn. And before anyone claims cel-shaded graphics are incapable of producing technically complex visuals, allow me to present the following: ^Look at the level of detail on that character model. Or the complex animation work. This is not merely a pre-rendered cutscene either; it is running in real time on a base Ps4 console. Just for fun, compare that model to the ones that are actually pre-rendered in BotW (albiet rendered within engine): The point here is that BOTH Sw/Sh and BotW are massive compromises visually. It just bothers me that people en masse pretend one is godlike, while the other is "subpar".

@Envy I understand where your criticisms are coming from. But to compare Sw/Sh to BotW as an objective step down just doesn't make sense to me (at least not from a purely graphical perspective). Remember, BotW uses extremely abundant hazy effects to hide visual imperfections in the distance. There exists LoD management which results in nearly perpetual pop-in and polygon culling. The lighting can be quite striking at times, but I more likely than not notice just how drab and plain ugly the game can look. And don't forget the incredibly drab interiors of buildings. Or the thick blinding rainstorms, sandstorms, snowstorms that essentially hides a great deal of the graphical flourishes

That's truly a shame. I quite enjoyed your participation in the last "Switch Debate" thread, prompting some of the most elaborate walls of text I've ever constructed on this forum. I forget wtf the name of the thread in question was, but I believe it was either early or mid 2018. Peace, my dude.

Just for reference, those Youtube videos are actually people defending the game. They are speaking out against the so called "vocal minority" in this instance, at least. I remember watching the trailer initially thinking to myself "Oh boy all the corporate slaves are gonna be kissing GF's ass over this", so I was primed and ready to tear the game down when debating its merit with my peers, but instead the exact opposite happened. I feel the need to play Devil's advocate in these sort of scenarios because, quite frankly, I find hivemind discussions rather shallow and not stimulating in the least. My opinions on the game were mixed from the get-go, even without my knowledge of how much the game was being lambasted.

Pretty much everywhere, dude. I can barely go 10 seconds on any videogame discussion whether it be online or even irl without people singing the praises of BotW; both visuals and gameplay. Sw/Sh was just revealed a few days ago and already we've got detractors harping on it for not being "like BotW". I'll admit, I really would love to see the level of passion on display in BotW manifested by Game Freak in their newest entry's production; but GF hasn't really shown any true ambition in game design since all the way in Gen 5 (imo). I highly doubt Sw/Sh will contain such dark, enveloping thematic elements as were present in BW. I doubt there will be extremely satisfying, robust, and challenging end-game content like in B2 or Emerald. After abominations like S&M/USUM Gen 8 seems to be a massive step in the right direction, however. The region looks quite beautiful from a stylistic standpoint, and there finally seems to be a proper shift away from the soulless, sterile color palette infesting every Pokemon game since X/Y (hell, even the Gen 4 games were guilty of this to a large degree).

Peter Jackson's King Kong was a feast for the eyes and a banquet for the soul. People complain it's "too long"...

*hugs* @Messy Mane @Envy @The_Gobo and extra tender hugs for @Kyoshi ♡

Breath of the Wild has become the subject of worship in recent years. Nintendo has had far better looking games on even their past console (namely Mario Kart 8 and Xenoblade X) but for some reason, Nintendo consumers like to act as if BotW is somehow unparalleled not just gameplay-wise, but also from a visual perspective. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion on the matter of what "looks better" to them specifically, but graphical complexity is purely an objective factor. I've logged over 50 hours into BotW thus far and I can safely say that it is far from impressive in this respect. The place where it truly shines is in atmosphere, which is accomplished via harmony of the artistic style, musical backdrop, and gameplay mechanics. Just because the game makes you feel good while playing doesn't automatically equate to being objectively head-and-shoulders above the rest in literally every category. Rough approximates here, so bare with me: Pokemon X&Y/Sun & Moon = N64-tier graphics Pokemon Let's Go = Gamecube~Early Ps3-tier graphics Pokemon Sw/Sh = Ps3-tier graphics Breath of the Wild = Ps3-tier graphics I suppose the one valid criticism that could be made would be since Gen 8 appears to be taking a non-open world route, there is less of an excuse not to use that extra horsepower available to truly push the limits of the Switch and greatly surpass BotW visually. It's obvious that several compromises were necessary to get Zelda to run properly on such an underpowered piece of tech; which is unfortunate since it really seems like Nintendo poured their heart and soul into the development of that game. Sw/Sh's apparent lack of an open world affords Game Freak the potential to push out those high poly counts and sharper textures, but they chose not to take that direction. Frustrating to be certain. That being said, GF has never been known for pushing the limits of any hardware they have developed on, but improvements are inevitable when jumping from the 3ds to the Switch; greater than a 10x increase to system performance.

Immediately reminded of the seminal classic:

Why do people pretend that this: Looks "much better" than this: Both look like mid-gen Ps3 releases at best. Yet nearly every Switch owner I have conversed with seems to drool at the mouth over BotW while dismissing Sw/Sh as subpar or "disappointing". Open world Pokemon would be nice, but I'm referring mainly to the visual complexity on display here. Why are these people so enamored by BotW's graphical presentation? Is it all some big inside joke I am unaware of?

465,447 @Messy Mane Oh snap, Scruffy is still here. Only 1,376 non-Forum Game posts though?