FoxyCryptid 4,330 August 26, 2014 Share August 26, 2014 Both reasonable praise, even though I disagree. I found the arc itself lacking in much originality and being a bit bland, and the emotional moments didn't evoke the right emotions out of me and just made it feel either completely unenjoyable or totally awkward. The dialogue on NMR's part was troped, generic villain dialogue that was insultingly unoriginal and flat. There were a couple of moments when RD was trying to fight NMR that was almost exactly like Scrappy Do's "Lemme at 'em!" approach (I instantly thought of that character) and that was insulting to her character as well as lacking originality, as did most of the comic. The ending left me rubbing my temples and felt like it tied up no loose ends and only offered poorly executed development to all characters involved. That's why I don't think it's a good entry point to the comic series. Characterization is shite and the dialogue sucks. The only redeeming parts for someone who's just starting off is that NMR has a cool design and it has plenty of darker elements to show the comics general tone in contrast with the series. Other than that, it's just mischaracterization, awkward emotions, wooden dialogue and a WHOLE lotta unoriginality that would really send off bad vibes to someone just starting off on the comics. That's why I'd say start with Issue #1 and move forward instead of skipping around to the "good parts". "You know, I don't know who or what you are Methos, and I know you don't want to hear this, but you did teach me something. You taught me that Life's about change, about learning to accept who you are, good or bad. And I thank you for that." -Duncan McLeod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dattebayo 2,850 August 26, 2014 Share August 26, 2014 God damn, Ghostie. Some people like it. You obviously don't. Doesn't mean it sucks. No one needs to justify anything to someone who doesn't like something, especially since I've done the same thing for you, yet you still continue this irrational orgasmic hatred for that arc, even though it's epic as f*ck. Literally everything you said was bad about it, I think the opposite. Then again, you hated Inspiration Manifestation, and that was a great episode...I'm starting to see a pattern here... 2 ^Click for my Deviant Art^ You truly are the Rosa Parks of not understanding what r34 is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banul 3,831 August 26, 2014 Share August 26, 2014 (edited) Just because you liked it doesn't mean it needs to be recommended. I actually really liked Nightmare Rarity and would recommend it. Most people are always going to recommend things based on what they like. It seems to me that you want to argue that the arc is objectively bad, and I don't think that's true or fair. It destroyed characterization, paced itself terribly, had wooden dialogue, and took one of the most 3-dimensional characters of the show and make her a 1D villain with an already used concept that failed to make it original in any sense and just gave her the most troped lines imaginable. I didn't feel the same way about any of those things with the exception of Nightmare Rarity being a flat villain, because she is. I mean, they couldn't even be original with the main plot point, which was the villain. It was just a recycled concept used on a new character Lazy, LAZY writing right there. They recycled the concept, but they did much more with it than they did in the first episode. It also pretty much made Rainbow Dash the pony equivalent of Scrappy Do a couple of times, which was pretty...fucking annoying. I can see where you're coming from with this. However, I don't think its out of character for her. I found it endearing. You do like it, and that's fine, but I really don't think it should be recommended to people wanting to get into the comics, because the general consensus is that it sucks, and even fans of NMR have said it sucked. You KNOW it's a special kind of bad when people who enjoyed it say it sucked. It's kind of like the comic equivalent of Tommy Wiseau's "The Room" - it sucked. It sucked really, really bad. It did so in a way that some found entertaining, and of course, some liked it legitimately. What consensus is this? I''ve seen people bash it on the forums, sure. I've also seen plenty of people on the forums say that they liked it. I'd be willing to accept a poll or something, if you have one. Also: The Room? Harsh, man. I'll tell you why I liked it: -I think it did a really good job expanding on Luna's backstory. It made much more sense to me that an outside force was preying on her jealousy to turn her into Nightmare Moon. It was always a little weird to me that, in the first episode of MLP, the elements sort of magic her resentment away. Instead of making her magically good again, they dispel the dark forces influencing her. I think this works better. You could make the argument that, because she was taken over, she didn't actually do anything wrong. I disagree, because it was only because of her resentment and anger that she was able to be taken over to begin with. -I really liked how they handled Luna in general. We get to see some of the guilt shes been dealing with as a result of her actions. Seeing her accept the forgiveness from the citizens in Ponyville was a good emotional moment. -I thought Spike had some great moments. Seeing him struggle to save Rarity was pretty cool. He even broke out the L word. -As an adventure story, I thought it was well paced and exciting. I felt good about it the whole way. In fact, I think it did a better job at this than the first arc. It ain't perfect. Like all the comics, it has its problems. However, I don't think its nearly as bad as you make it out to be. I think it would be a shame to give people the wrong idea that everybody hates this arc objectively, because we might dissuade somebody who might actually enjoy it. Edited August 26, 2014 by Banul 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostfacekiller39 23,860 August 26, 2014 Share August 26, 2014 Some people like it. You obviously don't. Doesn't mean it sucks. I've never claimed it was "objectively" bad or any of that. I'm just stating why I think it sucks and should be avoided as an entry point to the series. No one needs to justify anything to someone who doesn't like something, especially since I've done the same thing for you, yet you still continue this irrational orgasmic hatred for that arc, even though it's epic as f*ck. And, like I brought up, subjectivity. You think it's epic, I think it's total crap. I've stated why I dislike it throughout this thread. I don't really understand this line, to be honest, because all I've been doing is saying why I dislike it and why I don't think it's a very good entry point into the comic series. Feel free to argue my points if you like. Then again, you hated Inspiration Manifestation, and that was a great episode...I'm starting to see a pattern here... Where did I say that? I liked that episode, dude. Loved it, even. 1 He who is Positively Obsessed With All Things Rarity!!! Check out the Rarity Fan Club! "Not everyone who is pretty is necessarily beautiful. For those two to come together is truly a Rarity" -Jacob G. Rosenberg Signature by @FadedSkies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dattebayo 2,850 August 26, 2014 Share August 26, 2014 (edited) I actually really liked Nightmare Rarity and would recommend it. Most people are always going to recommend things based on what they like. It seems to me that you want to argue that the arc is objectively bad, and I don't think that's true or fair. I didn't feel the same way about any of those things with the exception of Nightmare Rarity being a flat villain, because she is. They recycled the concept, but they did much more with it than they did in the first episode. I can see where you're coming from with this. However, I don't think its out of character for her. I found it endearing. What consensus is this? I''ve seen people bash it on the forums, sure. I've also seen plenty of people on the forums say that they liked it. I'd be willing to accept a poll or something, if you have one. Also: The Room? Harsh, man. I'll tell you why I liked it: -I think it did a really good job expanding on Luna's backstory. It made much more sense to me that an outside force was preying on her jealousy to turn her into Nightmare Moon. It was always a little weird to me that, in the first episode of MLP, the elements sort of magic her resentment away. Instead of making her magically good again, they dispel the dark forces influencing her. I think this works better. You could make the argument that, because she was taken over, she didn't actually do anything wrong. I disagree, because it was only because of her resentment and anger that she was able to be taken over to begin with. -I really liked how they handled Luna in general. We get to see some of the guilt shes been dealing with as a result of her actions. Seeing her accept the forgiveness from the citizens in Ponyville was a good emotional moment. -I thought Spike had some great moments. Seeing him struggle to save Rarity was pretty cool. He even broke out the L word. -As an adventure story, I thought it was well paced and exciting. I felt good about it the whole way. In fact, I think it did a better job at this than the first arc. It ain't perfect. Like all the comics, it has its problems. However, I don't think its nearly as bad as you make it out to be. I think it would be a shame to give people the wrong idea that everybody hates this arc objectively, because we might dissuade somebody who might actually enjoy it. Eloquently said. I'm too flabbergasted to respond adequately, thanks for fling it better than I could. Yeah, the "general consensus" thing the me for a loop 2 or 3 people on a forum =/= General consensus Edited August 26, 2014 by Dattebayo 2 ^Click for my Deviant Art^ You truly are the Rosa Parks of not understanding what r34 is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleb Rosengard 889 August 26, 2014 Share August 26, 2014 Just because you liked it doesn't mean it needs to be recommended. It destroyed characterization, paced itself terribly, had wooden dialogue, and took one of the most 3-dimensional characters of the show and make her a 1D villain with an already used concept that failed to make it original in any sense and just gave her the most troped lines imaginable. I mean, they couldn't even be original with the main plot point, which was the villain. It was just a recycled concept used on a new character Lazy, LAZY writing right there. It also pretty much made Rainbow Dash the pony equivalent of Scrappy Do a couple of times, which was pretty...fucking annoying. You do like it, and that's fine, but I really don't think it should be recommended to people wanting to get into the comics, because the general consensus is that it sucks, and even fans of NMR have said it sucked. You KNOW it's a special kind of bad when people who enjoyed it say it sucked. It's kind of like the comic equivalent of Tommy Wiseau's "The Room" - it sucked. It sucked really, really bad. It did so in a way that some found entertaining, and of course, some liked it legitimately. Overall, though, most people dislike it. It's just a frequent point of discussion because it made a mane 6 character a villain. Just because it's often talked about doesn't make it popular, and it frequently receives harsh criticisms that I find totally justified, on a personal level. I don't think it'd be a good place to start if someone's just entering the comics, and I usually recommend skipping that arc entirely unless you're torrenting it. The comics are VERY hit and miss, by the way. Either they're just as good - if not better - than the show itself, or they suck so bad that they get near-universal hate and people don't even want to consider it to tie in to the FiM universe. Either knocks it out of the park or swings and misses at a pitch in the dirt, essentially. I have a feeling that you are a Rarity fan, just a feeling, I'm sure of what's the origin of it though xD Anyway, thank you for preventing me from losing time Could you mention a single comic that is as good, if not better than the original show? 2 FEAR is a CAGE: In there, NOTHING can reach youFrom there, there is NOTHING you can reachSister Sarah - Chapter 39, The Fall of the Masked Gala (my book is coming soon!!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis01 19 August 26, 2014 Share August 26, 2014 I only got the MIni series comic in graphic novel form. I did like the different art style use for each of the comics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostfacekiller39 23,860 August 26, 2014 Share August 26, 2014 I actually really liked Nightmare Rarity and would recommend it. Most people are always going to recommend things based on what they like. It seems to me that you want to argue that the arc is objectively bad, and I don't think that's true or fair. Considering I've used the words "I think" numerous times and have acknowledged other people's praises in this very thread, I'm a bit confused as to what would give you that impression They recycled the concept, but they did much more with it than they did in the first episode. I don't see it. I saw something making her upset - actually, feelings of being unappreciated, which was what made Luna upset and take that form, too - and her struggle with it a bit and then go batshit crazy and all NMR on us. They may have explained more about the nightmare forces and whatnot, but I don't see them doing too much more outside of it to make it original in any sense of the word. What consensus is this? I''ve seen people bash it on the forums, sure. I've also seen plenty of people on the forums say that they liked it. I'd be willing to accept a poll or something, if you have one. I don't have one. I'm more or less just going by the majority of what I've seen, and that's a majority criticizes it. I actually really liked Nightmare Rarity and would recommend it. Most people are always going to recommend things based on what they like. It seems to me that you want to argue that the arc is objectively bad, and I don't think that's true or fair. I didn't feel the same way about any of those things with the exception of Nightmare Rarity being a flat villain, because she is. They recycled the concept, but they did much more with it than they did in the first episode. I can see where you're coming from with this. However, I don't think its out of character for her. I found it endearing. What consensus is this? I''ve seen people bash it on the forums, sure. I've also seen plenty of people on the forums say that they liked it. I'd be willing to accept a poll or something, if you have one. Also: The Room? Harsh, man. I'll tell you why I liked it: -I think it did a really good job expanding on Luna's backstory. It made much more sense to me that an outside force was preying on her jealousy to turn her into Nightmare Moon. It was always a little weird to me that, in the first episode of MLP, the elements sort of magic her resentment away. Instead of making her magically good again, they dispel the dark forces influencing her. I think this works better. You could make the argument that, because she was taken over, she didn't actually do anything wrong. I disagree, because it was only because of her resentment and anger that she was able to be taken over to begin with. -I really liked how they handled Luna in general. We get to see some of the guilt shes been dealing with as a result of her actions. Seeing her accept the forgiveness from the citizens in Ponyville was a good emotional moment. Which reminds me of something else I disliked about it - it felt like it was just to springboard Luna and sell copies at some points and I was disgusted that they'd use a character I love more than anything in the world just for that purpose. I'm not the objective police, I was just stating why I didn't think it'd be a good entry point into the comic series. I'm not unreasonable and I won't think everyone should dislike something because I don't 1 He who is Positively Obsessed With All Things Rarity!!! Check out the Rarity Fan Club! "Not everyone who is pretty is necessarily beautiful. For those two to come together is truly a Rarity" -Jacob G. Rosenberg Signature by @FadedSkies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dattebayo 2,850 August 26, 2014 Share August 26, 2014 (edited) *ignore this post, it's mixed up* Edited August 26, 2014 by Dattebayo ^Click for my Deviant Art^ You truly are the Rosa Parks of not understanding what r34 is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostfacekiller39 23,860 August 26, 2014 Share August 26, 2014 But saying this, your saying it's objectively bad, and speaking for everyone by saying that the general consensus is that it sucks, and just like the member somewhere above me, your misleading them.and chasing them off by making them think it really isn't worth their time I don't have one. I'm more or less just going by the majority of what I've seen, and that's a majority criticizes it. I've also said that, which means that I've gone about by what I've seen given I've never seen an official poll of opinions on it If there is one, I haven't seen it. But to all that read this, don't skip this or look forward to it because internet people tell you to, read the comics from issue #1 chronologically, and when you get to the NMR arc, decide for yourself. Which is essentially what I did. And I didn't like it. I've shared what I thought about it extensively in this thread, and I've been stating this whole time why I thought it isn't a good entry point into the series - I'm not trying to dicatate other people's choices and opinions on the matter, simply stating why I think it'd be a bad idea to start there and why I think it's a bad arc, so I'd appreciate it if you didn't accuse me of such *ignore this post, it's mixed up* Bahh. I was still quoting you .-. He who is Positively Obsessed With All Things Rarity!!! Check out the Rarity Fan Club! "Not everyone who is pretty is necessarily beautiful. For those two to come together is truly a Rarity" -Jacob G. Rosenberg Signature by @FadedSkies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuke87654 1,849 August 26, 2014 Share August 26, 2014 (edited) I actually really liked Nightmare Rarity and would recommend it. Most people are always going to recommend things based on what they like. It seems to me that you want to argue that the arc is objectively bad, and I don't think that's true or fair. I didn't feel the same way about any of those things with the exception of Nightmare Rarity being a flat villain, because she is. They recycled the concept, but they did much more with it than they did in the first episode. The first episode also helped establish the foundation of the series that still resonates today. Nightmare Rarity arc has literally no impact on anything, even the comics have not made any real mention or use of it. I can see where you're coming from with this. However, I don't think its out of character for her. I found it endearing. What consensus is this? I''ve seen people bash it on the forums, sure. I've also seen plenty of people on the forums say that they liked it. I'd be willing to accept a poll or something, if you have one. Also: The Room? Harsh, man. I'll tell you why I liked it: -I think it did a really good job expanding on Luna's backstory. It made much more sense to me that an outside force was preying on her jealousy to turn her into Nightmare Moon. It was always a little weird to me that, in the first episode of MLP, the elements sort of magic her resentment away. Instead of making her magically good again, they dispel the dark forces influencing her. I think this works better. You could make the argument that, because she was taken over, she didn't actually do anything wrong. I disagree, because it was only because of her resentment and anger that she was able to be taken over to begin with. I hate it because it was excusing Luna's immoral actions when she became Nightmare Moon where originally from being consumed with jealously and trying to take over Equestria to being manipulated and controlled by an outside third party force. All it did was make Luna a weaker character as the comics are stating that Luna allowed daemons to control her behavior and actions because she wanted to feel love instead of taking actions by her own hand when she felt unloved originally. Making her an even more foolish and stupid character. -I really liked how they handled Luna in general. We get to see some of the guilt shes been dealing with as a result of her actions. Seeing her accept the forgiveness from the citizens in Ponyville was a good emotional moment. -I thought Spike had some great moments. Seeing him struggle to save Rarity was pretty cool. He even broke out the L word. It pretty much threw out whatever build up it had for Spike being the hero in saving the reaming five to having Pinkie Pie pulling a deus ex machina by stealing a key that she could've used at any point to. -As an adventure story, I thought it was well paced and exciting. I felt good about it the whole way. In fact, I think it did a better job at this than the first arc. The story wasn't good in my opinion as we had a weak 1 dimensional villain, use of crude humor (like a fart joke), mechanical and wooden dialogue, felt like it was trying to change the original interpretation of Luna's fall so it made it in a better light despite her committing blatantly terrible actions, wasting the little arc Spike had to where Pinkie Pie saves the day instead, and the ending especially was bad as we had the remaining five being able to use the elements of harmony despite missing a member, and Rarity actually refusing to break her imprisonment from Nightmare forces because she still felt unloved despite being imprisoned by a daemon and knowing how terrible it was and the fact her friends and others did everything they could to save her. It ain't perfect. Like all the comics, it has its problems. However, I don't think its nearly as bad as you make it out to be. I think it would be a shame to give people the wrong idea that everybody hates this arc objectively, because we might dissuade somebody who might actually enjoy it. I agree that people shouldn't be dissuaded to read any comic, but they should also be aware if the comic is most likely worth their money or not. Reviews are there to give a person a clue if said arc is good and a good purchase, or it's bad and may not be worth purchasing it. Other than that, I don't have a full understanding of how good or bad the arc is as I need to read it again, but I recalled not liking it particularly well for these stated reasons. Edited August 26, 2014 by Nuke87654 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dattebayo 2,850 August 26, 2014 Share August 26, 2014 (edited) Where did I say that? I liked that episode, dude. Loved it, even. I saw your posts in the Inspiration Manifestation threadYou were bemoaning and freaking out because Rarity was all possessed and evil, and constantly reassuring people she was mind controlled and she couldn't control herself Then you said many times that you "hated this" I don't have one. I'm more or less just going by the majority of what I've seen, and that's a majority criticizes it.Who? Who's this majority? It's almost like you feel determined to pick out any flaws you might find just because-- Which reminds me of something else I disliked about it - it felt like it was just to springboard Luna and sell copies at some points and I was disgusted that they'd use a character I love more than anything in the world just for that purpose. Yup, there you go. Never got that impression. How are they going to talk about the forces that turned Luna into Nightmare Moon, without actually showing Luna? The comic was just as much about her, her guilt, and her inner struggle than it was about Rarity or the rest of the main six. ----- GOD DAMN FONALLY IT LETS ME POST THIS Damn 504 error, man. Look. Instead of buying it, why not just watch it on YouTube for free? That way, you're not wasting any Monet if you end up hating an arc? Edited August 26, 2014 by Dattebayo ^Click for my Deviant Art^ You truly are the Rosa Parks of not understanding what r34 is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostfacekiller39 23,860 August 26, 2014 Share August 26, 2014 I saw your posts in the Inspiration Manifestation thread You were bemoaning and freaking out because Rarity was all possessed and evil, and constantly reassuring people she was mind controlled and she couldn't control herself Then you said many times that you "hated this" Well, yeahh. I ended up liking the episode, though, and I even pushed for an emote Obsidian made of IM Rarity to become official and have use pictures and .gifs of her several times. It did what NMR didn't do with me, and that's actually evoke the right emotions at the right times and made me feel despair and wanting her to get better rather than awkward and uncomfortable. It did that and it was pretty fun to be on the edge of my seat, so I enjoyed it in the end Kind of like why some people like horror movies. I found it to be thrilling at the end. Also, I wouldn't remind people she was possessed if people weren't do dead-set on criticizing her It's not a good feeling to see the thing you love most constantly attacked. It's pretty painful and cuts deep with me, but that's been obvious from the get-go. Who? Who's this majority? Can't really expect me to be able to recall *everyone* I saw criticize it. I've seen more hate than love for it. I never said I didn't see love for it How are they going to talk about the forces that turned Luna into Nightmare Moon, without actually showing Luna? It wouldn't be impossible to write a good story about the nightmare forced without mentioning Luna, but it'd definitely be an uphill battle, I'll give you that. I'll just let Nuke speak for me, he said my opinion on the Luna thing very nicely I hate it because it was excusing Luna's immoral actions when she became Nightmare Moon where originally from being consumed with jealously and trying to take over Equestria to being manipulated and controlled by an outside third party force. All it did was make Luna a weaker character as the comics are stating that Luna allowed daemons to control her behavior and actions because she wanted to feel love instead of taking actions by her own hand when she felt unloved originally. Making her an even more foolish and stupid character. He who is Positively Obsessed With All Things Rarity!!! Check out the Rarity Fan Club! "Not everyone who is pretty is necessarily beautiful. For those two to come together is truly a Rarity" -Jacob G. Rosenberg Signature by @FadedSkies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dattebayo 2,850 August 26, 2014 Share August 26, 2014 (edited) That's the BEAUTY of it, don't you see? Her naivety was her downfall. Luna KNEW the consequences of letting the Nightmare forces take over. They were drawn to the feeling of disdain and resentment she felt towards her sister, her lust for more power. She KNEW that she would become evil, and she still accepted them, because she felt unwanted and unloved. That made her backstory a hell of a lot more interesting than...What was it in the show? She felt bad so she went all evil super saiyan with zero explanation? Can't really expect me to be able to recall *everyone* I saw criticize it. I've seen more hate than love for it. I never said I didn't see love for it Other than you (and Nuke, apparently), I haven't seen anyone dislike the NMR arc beforeDoes this usually go down in the Rarity fan club? Edited August 26, 2014 by Dattebayo 3 ^Click for my Deviant Art^ You truly are the Rosa Parks of not understanding what r34 is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxyCryptid 4,330 August 26, 2014 Share August 26, 2014 I have a feeling that you are a Rarity fan, just a feeling, I'm sure of what's the origin of it though xD Anyway, thank you for preventing me from losing time Could you mention a single comic that is as good, if not better than the original show? Just start with issue #1 and start reading. It's honestly stupid to skip around a work for the "good parts" out of laziness IMO. "You know, I don't know who or what you are Methos, and I know you don't want to hear this, but you did teach me something. You taught me that Life's about change, about learning to accept who you are, good or bad. And I thank you for that." -Duncan McLeod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dattebayo 2,850 August 26, 2014 Share August 26, 2014 (edited) http://www.youtube.com/user/ChronoShenron Just going to leave that there Do with it what you will EDIT: HINT HINT READ IT ;o Edited August 26, 2014 by Dattebayo ^Click for my Deviant Art^ You truly are the Rosa Parks of not understanding what r34 is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuke87654 1,849 August 26, 2014 Share August 26, 2014 That's the BEAUTY of it, don't you see? Her naivety was her downfall. Luna KNEW the consequences of letting the Nightmare forces take over. They were drawn to the feeling of disdain and resentment she felt towards her sister, her lust for more power. She KNEW that she would become evil, and she still accepted them, because she felt unwanted and unloved. That made her backstory a hell of a lot more interesting than...What was it in the show? She felt bad so she went all evil super saiyan with zero explanation? Other than you (and Nuke, apparently), I haven't seen anyone dislike the NMR arc before Does this usually go down in the Rarity fan club? You see it as naivety, I see it as the comic writer trying to excuse Luna's behavior by essentially trying to coddle her character by writing away her terrible actions as committed by another. Sorry it also reduces the effect of Luna's redemption because she only has to feel sorry about allowing a daemon to control her essentially. I'd rather see her redemption done where she knows what she alone tried to do against her own sister Celestia and the ponies of Equestria as evil and wrong and it makes her a much stronger character by realizing of what she tried to do was terrible. The arc mitigates this impact by showing that Luna wasn't the one who was Nightmare Moon but was merely the vessel for the Nightmare forces and they gladly used her body against her will when she realized her terrible mistake. Instead of a character coming to terms with actions she committed, it's rather only for what she allowed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxyCryptid 4,330 August 26, 2014 Share August 26, 2014 You see it as naivety, I see it as the comic writer trying to excuse Luna's behavior by essentially trying to coddle her character by writing away her terrible actions as committed by another. Sorry it also reduces the effect of Luna's redemption because she only has to feel sorry about allowing a daemon to control her essentially. I'd rather see her redemption done where she knows what she alone tried to do against her own sister Celestia and the ponies of Equestria as evil and wrong and it makes her a much stronger character by realizing of what she tried to do was terrible. The arc mitigates this impact by showing that Luna wasn't the one who was Nightmare Moon but was merely the vessel for the Nightmare forces and they gladly used her body against her will when she realized her terrible mistake. Instead of a character coming to terms with actions she committed, it's rather only for what she allowed. Actually, I believe Lauren herself said NMM was essentially a demon or dark presence(but she obviously couldn't get away with stating that in the show). It doesn't undermine that all because the comic implies the host has to willingly accept them(a "selling your soul for power" type deal) and she's still responsible for giving in to the darkness. "You know, I don't know who or what you are Methos, and I know you don't want to hear this, but you did teach me something. You taught me that Life's about change, about learning to accept who you are, good or bad. And I thank you for that." -Duncan McLeod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuke87654 1,849 August 26, 2014 Share August 26, 2014 Actually, I believe Lauren herself said NMM was essentially a demon or dark presence(but she obviously couldn't get away with stating that in the show). It doesn't undermine that all because the comic implies the host has to willingly accept them(a "selling your soul for power" type deal) and she's still responsible for giving in to the darkness. She said that Nightmare Moon was her jealousy taken over her. Heck she even remarked that Luna can return to being Nightmare Moon again if she allows her jealousy to consume her. It was stated in her Q&A when she visited /mlp/. That's the issue, she only made the mistake of letting temptation of power to make that terrible decision, the rest was made by the daemon in her name. Before Luna was responsible for everything that happened when she became Nightmare Moon, now she's only at fault for letting a daemon tempt her, which is still terrible but I can see the angle the writer was trying to do with Luna, making her actions more permissible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxyCryptid 4,330 August 26, 2014 Share August 26, 2014 She said that Nightmare Moon was her jealousy taken over her. Heck she even remarked that Luna can return to being Nightmare Moon again if she allows her jealousy to consume her. It was stated in her Q&A when she visited /mlp/. That's the issue, she only made the mistake of letting temptation of power to make that terrible decision, the rest was made by the daemon in her name. Before Luna was responsible for everything that happened when she became Nightmare Moon, now she's only at fault for letting a daemon tempt her, which is still terrible but I can see the angle the writer was trying to do with Luna, making her actions more permissible. What you see as white-washing, I see as development and making her more complex while adding more mythos to the world in the form of this dark entity. It also doesn't take any blame from her because she was to weak to fight it off(Rarity managed to fight back from the inside, where as she could not or would not). You could easily say she let it control her because she enjoyed it and was blind to how it corrupted more and more of her already darkened and enraged heart. 2 "You know, I don't know who or what you are Methos, and I know you don't want to hear this, but you did teach me something. You taught me that Life's about change, about learning to accept who you are, good or bad. And I thank you for that." -Duncan McLeod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuke87654 1,849 August 27, 2014 Share August 27, 2014 (edited) What you see as white-washing, I see as development and making her more complex while adding more mythos to the world in the form of this dark entity. It also doesn't take any blame from her because she was to weak to fight it off(Rarity managed to fight back from the inside, where as she could not or would not). You could easily say she let it control her because she enjoyed it and was blind to how it corrupted more and more of her already darkened and enraged heart. That's one way to look at it. Edited August 27, 2014 by Nuke87654 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darker 1,351 August 27, 2014 Share August 27, 2014 Yep yep Love them to death If anyone wants a link to the YouTube channel that has all of them for free, let me know Because if you're like me, you don't have money to be wasting on merch Well, eh... please, sir, can you pass me the link? I have no money... Overlord of Darkness Signature made by: Astral Blitzen http://mlpforums.com/user/24786-astral-blitzen/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dattebayo 2,850 August 27, 2014 Share August 27, 2014 Well, eh... please, sir, can you pass me the link? I have no money... Yarp yarp, here you gohttp://www.youtube.com/user/ChronoShenron Enjoy, friend ^Click for my Deviant Art^ You truly are the Rosa Parks of not understanding what r34 is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darker 1,351 August 29, 2014 Share August 29, 2014 (edited) Alright, that's good to hear another comic reader. I only need a couple more months to meet my year anniversary and I have less post counts than you I'm rather impressed actually. OK, now that I' ve had the opportunity to check them out (except the Trixie comics, which I thought were a bit boring, the Friends Forever comics and the Micro comics), I think I'm with most people, they're in par with the show, but the art style is much more surprising and the humor is a bit more mature, aswell as the action and adventure. Though, it suffers from the clichés and generisms from the show. I liked many of the original characters, and the comics surprised me a lot. Also, somehow, this is the only time Discord has entertained me, probably it was just the situation he was in, but damn, he made me laugh, and he is not even talking. "Sir Discord" https://derpicdn.net/img/2014/5/24/635357/full.jpg Edited August 29, 2014 by Darker 2 Overlord of Darkness Signature made by: Astral Blitzen http://mlpforums.com/user/24786-astral-blitzen/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castle Bleck 19,326 August 29, 2014 Share August 29, 2014 Me: "Hey, Captain Falcon, are the MLP comics good?" Captain Falcon: 1 By Emerald Heart.↑ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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