movies/tv Superman VS Twilight Sparkle

[Fractured 2,684]

What is "PIS" ?

 

 

What does "AOE" mean?

 

You truly believe that all versions of Superman are far more powerful than anyone in DBZ and can't be hurt by any of them? That's hilarious...I cannot even begin to describe how wrong that is...

PIS: http://outskirtsbattledomewiki.com/index.php/13-general-obd-terms/56-pis

 

AOE: http://outskirtsbattledomewiki.com/index.php/13-general-obd-terms/43-area-of-effect

 

And Goku doesn't do much better than Twilight Sparkle here. Aside from Superman and the Elite and the Smallville version, he still loses to everyone she does.

[Sazama Ichida 2,367]

PIS: http://outskirtsbattledomewiki.com/index.php/13-general-obd-terms/56-pis

 

AOE: http://outskirtsbattledomewiki.com/index.php/13-general-obd-terms/43-area-of-effect

 

And Goku doesn't do much better than Twilight Sparkle here. Aside from Superman and the Elite and the Smallville version, he still loses to everyone she does.

Ah thank you for sharing that.

[Hive King 2,001]

 

 

Goku would MURDER the earlier versions of Superman. Lots of people say Superman's invincible but as I said that's not true. Superman DID bleed and show signs of damage when he fought with Doomsday and Darkseid

Goku isn't Doomsday or Darkseid, is he? Nor is he as tough

 

 

nd it's also been proven that he's vulnerable to magic as shown from his battles with Shazam and Black Adam etc. Which essentially means that a Kamehameha could hurt him

Except that ki isn't magic, it's harnessing life energy. Boo and Babidi have magic

 

 

And Goku can benchpress an entire planet.

 

To put this in perspective, 40 tons is less than half the weight of a Blue Whale. Even assuming that strength increases linearly with power level(it doesn't, see base Trunks struggling with 100x gravity despite being much stronger than Goku), Goku isn't going to bench a planet. Superman, on the other hand, actually has

 

 

I don't even need to watch a video or read any blogs to know that Goku beats the earlier versions of Superman hands down. When you can find a video or something showing Superman from the movies or cartoons being able to destroy a whole planet with just one finger, or even fight someone as powerful as Majin Buu for that matter let me know. In the mean time, I'll be watching Goku in Super Saiyan 3 beating Majin Buu by the antenna on his head.

Golden Age Superman was horrifically weak, but Silver Age can mulch him with galaxy sneezes. Modern Superman can still beat him down and there are few cartoon versions that can take him down(one of which can take the air from Goku's lungs, drag him into space, or lobotomize him)

 

 

I'd really love to see Superman go through all the crap that Goku has

He has gone through more than Goku. Doomsday has the strength to punch someone through a planet, Goku isn't reaching that in his dreams

 

 

They should make a video with Superman fighting Super Saiyan God Goku if they think that Superman can beat Goku

God isn't a natural mode for Goku, but even if it was, he still doesn't have the feats. Even after absorbing the god form, his base form was pinned down by a rather small amount of rubble compared to what Superman has broken free of

 

 

And even if Superman can destroy a planet how much effort does he have to put into it to do it?

That part doesn't matter. Goku can be hurt by the physical strength of Boo, hell, Super Boo, Gotenks, and Gohan tear Goku apart with no effort what so ever. Superman's muscular strength is enough to hurt Goku.

 

You see, power is applied in different ways. In Superman's case, it means he can destroy small planets with single punches if he goes all out, but he can't heat vision a planet into ash. This is due to the same reason that DBZ characters have some trouble with planet and solar system busting. They have the power to do it, but their attacks aren't wide enough, so they resort to core busting.

 

 

I admit I'm a Goku Fanboy when it comes down to it but I'm not being biased by any means. Even if I preferred Superman I would still think Goku was stronger. Goku beat people that could literally destroy an entire solar system in seconds. When did Superman ever do something like that?

Again, irrelevant as power is applied in different ways. Also, the only one that comes to mind with that is Cell and Beers, but with Beers, we don't see the destruction and as such, can' decide how quick it was and whether Whis was exagerrating. As for Cell, he's weaker than SSJ3 Goku and SSJ3 Goku's Kamehameha only destroyed one tenth of the Earth when he wasn't trying to planet bust. Cell may have the power to solar system bust, but his beam isn't big enough to do so

 

That is pointless anyway, Superman is much faster

 

 

But before anyone replies to this, again, keep in mind that I'm referring to the earlier versions of Superman like the ones from the movies and the cartoons. Not the later versions or the more powerful ones from the comics. They don't count because they had help from things like Myxz's Dust etc. And I know that they would obviously beat Goku.

There are lots of early Supermen. There is Early Golden Age(loses badly), Pre-Crisis(mulches Goku), Post Crisis(beats Goku), New 52(beats Goku)

 

That's not even counting the cartoons.  

[Sazama Ichida 2,367]

Goku isn't Doomsday or Darkseid, is he? Nor is he as tough

That's rich. How much effort do Doomsday and Darkseid have to put forth to destroy a planet? The villains Goku has faced could do it with ease. I'd REALLY like to see Superman try to take on somebody as powerful as Majin Buu. Goku would crush Doomsday and Darkseid.

 

Except that ki isn't magic, it's harnessing life energy. Boo and Babidi have magic

It is a form of mystics however.

 

To put this in perspective, 40 tons is less than half the weight of a Blue Whale.

He effortlessly lifted the weight after transforming though.

 

Even assuming that strength increases linearly with power level(it doesn't, see base Trunks struggling with 100x gravity despite being much stronger than Goku)

Lol what? You think Trunks is stronger than Goku? That's hilarious.

 

Goku isn't going to bench a planet. Superman, on the other hand, actually has

When was that?

 

Golden Age Superman was horrifically weak, but Silver Age can mulch him with galaxy sneezes. Modern Superman can still beat him down and there are few cartoon versions that can take him down(one of which can take the air from Goku's lungs, drag him into space, or lobotomize him)

True.

 

He has gone through more than Goku. Doomsday has the strength to punch someone through a planet, Goku isn't reaching that in his dreams

I bet Super Saiyan 4 Goku could.

 

God isn't a natural mode for Goku, but even if it was, he still doesn't have the feats. Even after absorbing the god form, his base form was pinned down by a rather small amount of rubble compared to what Superman has broken free of

True...

 

That part doesn't matter. Goku can be hurt by the physical strength of Boo, hell, Super Boo, Gotenks, and Gohan tear Goku apart with no effort what so ever. Superman's muscular strength is enough to hurt Goku.

That might be true but there's no way Superman could withstand Goku's strongest Kamehameha or Dragon Fist. And even though Goku is not as durable as Superman his output of Ki is equal to his durability. So the more power he charges the more durable he becomes as well in addition to powerful.

 

You see, power is applied in different ways. In Superman's case, it means he can destroy small planets with single punches if he goes all out, but he can't heat vision a planet into ash. This is due to the same reason that DBZ characters have some trouble with planet and solar system busting. They have the power to do it, but their attacks aren't wide enough, so they resort to core busting.

Fair enough. That's a good point. 

 

Again, irrelevant as power is applied in different ways. Also, the only one that comes to mind with that is Cell and Beers, but with Beers, we don't see the destruction and as such, can' decide how quick it was and whether Whis was exagerrating. As for Cell, he's weaker than SSJ3 Goku and SSJ3 Goku's Kamehameha only destroyed one tenth of the Earth when he wasn't trying to planet bust. Cell may have the power to solar system bust, but his beam isn't big enough to do so

Goku was holding back. And Cell mentioned that he would teleport from planet to planet I believe.

 

That is pointless anyway, Superman is much faster

Nothing is faster than instant teleportation. Which Goku pretty much has in a nutshell via the Instant Transmission technique. And though alot of people deny it for whatever reason Goku actually CAN use it while fighting. He did it against Meta Cooler.

 

There are lots of early Supermen. There is Early Golden Age(loses badly), Pre-Crisis(mulches Goku), Post Crisis(beats Goku), New 52(beats Goku)

 

That's not even counting the cartoons.

As I said Pre-Crisis doesn't count though. Edited November 16, 2014 by Asbel Lhant

[Hive King 2,001]

 

 

It is a form of mystics however.

It's life energy harnessed into usable power. In Superman's world(and DBZ) magic is more like the stuff where you have to chant a spell or people who do that in general 

 

 

He effortlessly lifted the weight after transforming though.  

You missed the point. He can't lift it in base, even applying x400 to it, it's not enough lift even a continent(probably overshooting with comparisons too)

 

 

Lol what? You think Trunks is stronger than Goku? That's hilarious.  

Base Kid Trunks could flick Base Namek Goku and kill him. Base Namek Goku, however, was fine with 100x gravity while Trunks wasn't. Physical strength has nothing to do with power level

 

As for why Trunks is stronger, he beat the piss out of Freeza tier opponents in the Tarble special and was able to hold off Android 18 whilst handicapped

 

 

When was that?

My mistake, Superman can't bench it, he can pull and push it

 

 

I bet Super Saiyan 4 Goku could.

When his base form can't lift 40 tons? Doubtful

 

 

That might be true but there's no way Superman could withstand Goku's strongest Kamehameha or Dragon Fist. And even though Goku is not as durable as Superman his output of Ki is equal to his durability. So the more power he charges the more durable he becomes as well in addition to powerful.

Dragon Fist and Kamehameha have never shown the power to kill Superman instantly, and he can dodge it regardless, being the faster one in between them.  And while ki output increases durability, again, durability doesn't scale linearly, like strength and speed

 

 

Goku was holding back. And Cell mentioned that he would teleport from planet to planet I believe.

He wasn't holding back when he fired at Fat Buu, it's just that Fat Boo deflected it into the ground, causing an explosion that, according to the Babidi, destroyed 1/10 of the Earth. That's not solar system busting though. That's like saying I can destroy a building, and then doing it by tearing parts of it off one by one

 

 

Nothing is faster than instant teleportation. Which Goku pretty much has in a nutshell via the Instant Transmission technique. And though alot of people deny it for whatever reason Goku actually CAN use it while fighting. He did it against Meta Cooler.

Superman is faster than Goku's punch.

 

And the issue is that while Goku can use it while fighting, he usually doesn't for no real reason. Even against Beers, while he used it a couple of times, he didn't use it properly.

 

The issue isn't that Goku doesn't use it, it's that he uses it like an idiot 

[VitalSpark 1,830]

OK, so hypothetical Twilight vs Superman.
 
First, Twilight does this:


 
Second, Superman is incapacitated by cutegasm.
 
Third, Twilight travels back in time (she can - It's About Time).
 
Fourth, Twilight destroys Superman as a baby.

[Hive King 2,001]

 

 

Third, Twilight travels back in time (she can - It's About Time).   Fourth, Twilight destroys Superman as a baby.

She can't affect things in the future, it creates a paradox. Otherwise, she's a drooling idiot for not using this tactic against Sombra, Sunset Shimmer, or the Dazzlings.

 

Also, how would Twilight even know where Superman was as a kid? His identity is secret and it's only really been found by geniuses, which Twilight is not(not on the level of Lex Luthor anyway) 

[GreyScholar 1,584]

I was about to say Superman would win without a doubt... but on farther thought I believe Twilight could hsve a chance

 

Why? Because Superman has no resistance against magic, being as weak against it as the majority of humanity. This could very well allow Twilight to win given the right conditions and setup.

Edited November 17, 2014 by EquestrianScholar

[Fractured 2,684]

I was about to say Superman would win without a doubt... but on farther thought I believe Twilight could hsve a chance

 

Why? Because Superman has no resistance against magic, being as weak against it as the majority of humanity. This could very well allow Twilight to win given the right conditions and setup.

No, it can't:

http://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/2a9uba/respect_superman/

 

Absorbing enough anti-sunlight to waste half a galaxy:

http://imgur.com/a/HJHiP

 

Surviving two magical shots from Shazam, who should be stronger than Captain Marvel:

 

50 supernova's worth of red radiation:

http://imgur.com/a/vC890

 

The magical forges of Hephasteus:

http://i.imgur.com/evCzM3z.jpg

 

And all of this:

 

 

 

Outside of tanking stupidly strong attacks he which he doesn't carry resistances too, there's:

 

Memorizing every medical book ever published in the span of seconds.

http://imgur.com/a/GSaT4

 

Analyzing the energy systems of a machine he's never seen before... at light speed

http://i.imgur.com/rTy6lGs.jpg

 

Telepathic resistance:

http://i.imgur.com/nSL0J5S.jpg

 

More telepathic resistance:

http://i.imgur.com/qqeU10x.jpg

 

Healing factor

http://i.imgur.com/CNlOAPr.jpg

 

And seeing souls:

http://i.imgur.com/XnqRRp5.jpg

[GreyScholar 1,584]

On the very reddit page you offered it said magic can hurt Superman, if not Twilight or the royal sisters then at least Discord. More, I would say that the Elements of Harmony could help bring his defeat.

 

Also, most of the feats he is capable of he would not be of much use. Why? Innocent lives could be harmed or killed. On the very reddit page offered it gave him being a caring person as a vulnerability.

Edited November 17, 2014 by EquestrianScholar

[Fractured 2,684]

On the very reddit page you offered it said magic can hurt Superman, if not Twilight or the royal sisters then at least Discord. More, I would say that the Elements of Harmony could help bring his defeat.

 

Also, most of the feats he is capable of he would not be of much use. Why? Innocent lives could be harmed or killed. On the very reddit page offered it gave him being a caring person as a vulnerability.

Those are simply taking the attacks that Twilight Sparkle is throwing at him; if you're insinuating that he'd get hit by protecting innocents from being hurt, you're insinuating Twilight Sparkle would deliberately attempt to kill them to beat Superman.

 

If it's morals on, though, Superman still has more options. He could carry her into space before she realizes she was off the ground, and wait for her to pass out in dead space. Or do the same thing with a tornado on ground level. Or simply avoid every attack and wait for her to tire out.

 

And no, there's nothing the entirety of the MLP cast can do. The elements of Harmony are too slow, and Superman's not exactly evil... what would they be destroying? Luna, Celestia, Discord... They're all too weak and too slow to effectively combat Superman. With the exception of Discord, they're not even light speed...

[Sunny Fox 5,952]

If Superman is so fast, how does he ever get hit by anything, ever? I would think only speedsters like the Flash would be capable of even hitting him.

[Fractured 2,684]

If Superman is so fast, how does he ever get hit by anything, ever? I would think only speedsters like the Flash would be capable of even hitting him.

A tragic victim of Plot Induced Stupidity:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ForgotAboutHisPowers?from=Main.PlotInducedStupidity

 

It's the same reason The Flash got killed by a discount batman with a bunch of synchronized explosives and a cheap sword, or why Celestia never harnesses the full power of the sun; sometimes the power of plot is greater than what the writers actually want or need, so they dumb down characters so they'll fit in the given circumstance. If you want Superman to box Muhammad Ali, can't just keep in the fact that he can break planets with a punch, right? 

[VitalSpark 1,830]

She can't affect things in the future, it creates a paradox.

 

She can't affect things in the future? We can all affect things in the future. If I drop a ball, then at some point in the future it will hit the ground.

 

Besides which, Twilight has shown herself perfectly happy to create paradoxes. For example, she was told where to find the time travel spell by her future self, found the time travel spell, then used it to travel back in time and tell her past self where to find the spell. Paradox.

 

A paradox is only created in time travel if the cause of something happens after its effect. (As in the example above.) Though there's this whole light cone thing where if you travel not just back in time, but also far enough in space, you can do whatever the hell you like - even destroy the universe - without creating a paradox.

Edited November 17, 2014 by Vital Spark

[Hive King 2,001]

@,

In that case, Twilight must be suffering from severe brain damage after Derpy dumped the contents of a mail truck on her. Twilight never uses it to inform someone in the past "Hey, this black unicorn is turning evil. Might want to keep an eye out"

 

 

why Celestia never harnesses the full power of the sun;

That's very debatable as to whether she can use it or not. Even if you take the whole thing into a literal account with all the stuff it entails, I don't think she'd be releasing supernovas and stuff. Pushing something isn't the same as making it explode. I can push a card(in neutral), doesn't mean I can tear it apart 

[VitalSpark 1,830]

I can push a card(in neutral), doesn't mean I can tear it apart 

 

Like a birthday card? I can tear them. (OK, I have to dampen them with a little water first to soften them up.)

[Hive King 2,001]

Like a birthday card? I can tear them. (OK, I have to dampen them with a little water first to soften them up.)

A car. You know, vroom, vroom? Don't like that example? I can pick up a pebble with ease, but I can't crush it, can't even dent it

[Sunny Fox 5,952]

A car. You know, vroom, vroom? Don't like that example? I can pick up a pebble with ease, but I can't crush it, can't even dent it

Dude, you totally put a "d" on the end of your card. Go read your former post.

[Hive King 2,001]

Dude, you totally put a "d" on the end of your card. Go read your former post.

I know that. I was clarifying car the second time

[Sunny Fox 5,952]

I know that. I was clarifying car the second time

Well at least we know what you meant now.

[GreyScholar 1,584]

Luna, Celestia, Discord... They're all too weak and too slow to effectively combat Superman. With the exception of Discord, they're not even light speed...

I counter your claim that Discord would be too weak to defeat Superman with a DC character that has been shown to be a headache for the superhero because there was nothing he could do to stop him except exploitings only two weaknesses. One being tricking him into saying or spelling his name backwards and the other is being ridiculed.

 

Meet Mxyzptlk, a being very much like Discord in many ways... except the spirit of chaos has arguably less weaknesses then the imp from the fifth dimension.

 

"Mister Mxyztplk" [məksɪtzpʌlk] (as his name was originally spelled, originally pronounced mux-ITZ-pulk [məksɪtzpəlk] according to the title Superman Family) was introduced as an imp from the fifth dimension. Not being bound by our physical laws, he could do things that seemed to be magical. In his first appearance, Mxyztplk wreaked havoc across Metropolis by using his powers to pull all manner of pranks. What's more, he destroyed Superman's worldview of himself. Mxyztlpk jumped out a window, causing Superman to think Mxyztlpk was committing suicide. Mxyztplk was not. An astonished Superman exclaimed "I — I thought I was the only man who could fly!!" Mxyztplk soon told Superman that he was a jester in his home dimension, explaining why he used his powers to play practical jokes.

 

Originally, Mxyzptlk had designs on conquering the planet for himself, but soon settled for tormenting Superman whenever he got the opportunity. His only weaknesses were that he could not stand being ridiculed and if he said or spelled his name backwards, Kltpzyxm (kil-tip-zee-zim [kɪltɪpzizɪm]), he was involuntarily sent back to his home dimension for a minimum of 90 days. Mxyzptlk would often look for ways to counter the latter weakness, but he always proved gullible enough for Superman to trick him time and time again. In the Golden Age, saying "Kltpzyxm" would not only bring Mxy back to the fifth dimension, but would bring anyone else saying it to the fifth dimension.

 

Mxyztplk appeared originally as a small bald man in a purple suit, green bow tie and purple derby hat. This was changed to a futuristic looking orange outfit with purple trim in the mid-1950s, although the hat remained. At around this time the spelling of Mxyztplk's name changed (by mistake) to "Mxyzptlk".

 

Edited November 17, 2014 by EquestrianScholar

[Hive King 2,001]

@@EquestrianScholar,

Comparing the imp to Discord is like comparing a nuke to a firecracker. That you're even comparing them is a massive fail when you realize that Discord can't even warp the Elements away nor is he fast enough to simply swipe them with his claws. Seriously, just because they have similar powers doesn't make their power the same. 

 

That would be like me saying that the Thing can beat World War Hulk in a fair fight. Both are brutes, but one of them has a far higher caliber of strength

[Fractured 2,684]

@,

In that case, Twilight must be suffering from severe brain damage after Derpy dumped the contents of a mail truck on her. Twilight never uses it to inform someone in the past "Hey, this black unicorn is turning evil. Might want to keep an eye out"

 

 

That's very debatable as to whether she can use it or not. Even if you take the whole thing into a literal account with all the stuff it entails, I don't think she'd be releasing supernovas and stuff. Pushing something isn't the same as making it explode. I can push a card(in neutral), doesn't mean I can tear it apart 

Not manipulating the sun, using the energy it takes to manipulate. Using even 10% of the energy it takes to move the mass of something as large as the sun would make her techniques stupidly powerful.

I counter your claim that Discord would be too weak to defeat Superman with a DC character that has been shown to be a headache for the superhero because there was nothing he could do to stop him except exploitings only two weaknesses. One being tricking him into saying or spelling his name backwards and the other is being ridiculed.

 

Meet Mxyzptlk, a being very much like Discord in many ways... except the spirit of chaos has arguably less weaknesses then the imp from the fifth dimension.

 

"Mister Mxyztplk" [məksɪtzpʌlk] (as his name was originally spelled, originally pronounced mux-ITZ-pulk [məksɪtzpəlk] according to the title Superman Family) was introduced as an imp from the fifth dimension. Not being bound by our physical laws, he could do things that seemed to be magical. In his first appearance, Mxyztplk wreaked havoc across Metropolis by using his powers to pull all manner of pranks. What's more, he destroyed Superman's worldview of himself. Mxyztlpk jumped out a window, causing Superman to think Mxyztlpk was committing suicide. Mxyztplk was not. An astonished Superman exclaimed "I — I thought I was the only man who could fly!!" Mxyztplk soon told Superman that he was a jester in his home dimension, explaining why he used his powers to play practical jokes.

 

Originally, Mxyzptlk had designs on conquering the planet for himself, but soon settled for tormenting Superman whenever he got the opportunity. His only weaknesses were that he could not stand being ridiculed and if he said or spelled his name backwards, Kltpzyxm (kil-tip-zee-zim [kɪltɪpzizɪm]), he was involuntarily sent back to his home dimension for a minimum of 90 days. Mxyzptlk would often look for ways to counter the latter weakness, but he always proved gullible enough for Superman to trick him time and time again. In the Golden Age, saying "Kltpzyxm" would not only bring Mxy back to the fifth dimension, but would bring anyone else saying it to the fifth dimension.

 

Mxyztplk appeared originally as a small bald man in a purple suit, green bow tie and purple derby hat. This was changed to a futuristic looking orange outfit with purple trim in the mid-1950s, although the hat remained. At around this time the spelling of Mxyztplk's name changed (by mistake) to "Mxyzptlk".

 

Discord, at his best, moved the sun and the moon at the same time. Mr. M and his counterpart, Bat-Mite, casually play around with entire universes. Manipulating entire time-lines, nigh-omniscience/ omni-presence... the only reason they don't actually cause mass destruction is because they really just want to have fun. Emperor Joker...

http://villains.wikia.com/wiki/Emperor_Joker

is what happens when someone uses that power recklessly. He almost destroyed reality, and even the Spectre:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectre_(comics)

Couldn't do anything unless Emperor Joker willed it. This is a guy who plays god with multiple universes.

[Hive King 2,001]

 

 

Not manipulating the sun, using the energy it takes to manipulate. Using even 10% of the energy it takes to move the mass of something as large as the sun would make her techniques stupidly powerful.

Obviously, but it wouldn't be like she's tossing supernovas level blasts around.  

[Fractured 2,684]

Obviously, but it wouldn't be like she's tossing supernovas level blasts around.  

Yes, yes it would be like tossing Supernova level blasts around.

 

 

And quantified again, in energy:

 

it's still night, so I'll use 12 hours as the lowest end timeframe

whatever distance remains between the planet and the Moon should be negligible, so distance = 385,000,000 m

 

385,000,000m / 12 hours = 8912 m/s speed

 

Mass = 7.3477×10^22 kg

Luna & Co pull the moon = 2.918E+30 J = 697.42+ Exatons as the the lowest possible, rather unrealistic, end of 12 hours

 

 

 

And again, this time from the episode "Lesson Zero":

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sun diameter = 1,392,684 km = 470 px

distance Sun moved in that timeframe = 300-220 = 80 px = 237,052.6 km

 

Speed = 237,052.6 / 2.5416 = 93,269.043 km/s = 93,269,043 m/s = 0.31c, relativistic+

 

Mass = 1.9891×10^30 kg

9.334E+45 J :

- 2,230,879,541,109 Yottaton

- 13,528x GBE of the Sun

- 93.34 Foe, Solar System+ level