Alicorn Mane six could happen

[Prince Firemane 309]

If they were actually going to earn it, they would have done so already. They've put in a significant amount of work into defending Equestria, and have become just as well-learned in the concept of friendship as Twilight is.  

 

It's just not in the cards for them. At all. Because Hasbro wants Twilight to be the important one and that alone is enough to make it impossible. 

 

Even as a series finale, I don't see it happening. 

I think one thing you're taking out of context is Hasbro's alleged demand that Twilight be the most important character. What we all have to remember is that right from the very beginning we knew that this was Twilight's journey to learn about friendship, the series made no attempt to hide this. True, by season 2 the others became part of the friendship lesson paradigm, but this is still Twilight's journey. Not to mention, Twilight kind of is the most important of them, not by executive demand, but by nature. She is the linchpin that holds their friendship together; it's been shown in the first episode and various flashbacks that the others were not friends before Twilight came along. She started it and holds it together, naturally she would have the lead role. Do the others need more expository growth? Absolutely. But I think it's a bit immature to say that it'll never happen because Hasbro is conspiring against the growth of the other characters.

[Silver Letter 1,832]

That might be the one thing that makes me quit watching the show. I would write an upset letter to Hasbro, telling them that I'll never buy their merchandise again.

 

Alicorn mane six sounds like a terrible idea and would be the worst possible ending to the series.

[Buck Testa 5,505]

 

 

If they were actually going to earn it, they would have done so already. They've put in a significant amount of work into defending Equestria, and have become just as well-learned in the concept of friendship as Twilight is.  

 

I postulate that they need to earn the right through their specific element; They've already begun the steps towards it with their epiphanies that led to the gaining of the keys and the castle. If it Truly was just twilight that was the focal point than why is it that there was no way for her to open the box WITHOUT the other elements of harmony? The entire structure of the elements is designed to work in unison, as a team, in Harmony.

They haven't earned it yet, but given the current turn of events they could very well be on the way to achieving this end. 

 

 

 

The mane five are the "helpers." In other words, they're the sidekicks. They're never going to have a chance to prove themselves through leadership because that role is reserved for Twilight only.

Are you so sure about that though? Are you sure that there is no possible way any of the mane six had EVER, at ANY point, showed ANY kinds of leadership skills? Are you sure you want to stick with that absolute statement, because I can pull out a few episodes right off the top of my head where Twilight Stepped down and let one of her friends take the lead BECAUSE she knew THEY were the ones better suited for the task.

Even Fluttershy has shown apt leadership skills

 

 

 

It's just not in the cards for them. At all. Because Hasbro wants Twilight to be the important one and that alone is enough to make it impossible. 

 

 

Have they explicitly stated that Twilight is going to be the important character and all other characters are regulated to sidekicks? Are you sure that there is absolutely NOTHING that would point to them becoming a team instead of a leader and followers? Are you sure that there wasn't anything that pointed out that the real power of friendship is lifting eachother up and supporting each other as supposed to them just flocking around ONE pony? 

Maybe a song?

That might be the one thing that makes me quit watching the show. I would write an upset letter to Hasbro, telling them that I'll never buy their merchandise again.

 

Alicorn mane six sounds like a terrible idea and would be the worst possible ending to the series.

Again, What is so terrible about it? So many people say it is, but I haven't met ONE who could articulate what is so "wrong" about it. 

[WriteCodes46 178]

To be honest, and somewhat terrifyingly, whether this happens depends entirely on whether Hasbro's Toy Division decides it's a good idea to manufacture all the Mane 6 brushables with the wings+horn mold. That's how Twilicorn came to be. Also the Toy Division does not take the show into account when making these decision, but the show must implement any ideas that the Toy Division comes up with. That's because the brushable dolls are the main product, and the TV show is only intended to advertise those toys.

 

To put it short, whether this happens or not is out of the writers' control, so there's no point speculating about it at this point.

 

(Also, Pinkie Pie and Rainbow Dash as alicorns is a recipe for disaster.)

[Cleverclover 1,526]

 

 

What we all have to remember is that right from the very beginning we knew that this was Twilight's journey to learn about friendship, the series made no attempt to hide this.

 

Sure, it has. Nevertheless, the first three seasons made me feel like each of the mane six were only as important as each other, and that favoring any of the mane five over Twilight was no wrong choice. That they would each develop and meet their goals at their own paces, and each of their development actually mattered. 

 

Now what the series is making no attempt to hide is that I should be exalting Twilight over her friends at all times. That I am definitely wrong for favoring someone else over her, and that I should not expect for their development to be anything more than a second thought. 

 

Hey, maybe Rainbow Dash can finally hope to get into the Wonderbolts after Twilight is sitting pretty on Celestia's throne. Maybe...

[duidamasterXD 9,627]

A huge reason the show has been so successful is that the Mane Six were conceived with the idea that there isn't one absolutely correct way to be a girl/person. There are unhealthy patterns of thought and behavior that you should work to overcome, but personal growth is a continuous process. You will never be a finished product, and even if you somehow were to become one, that finished product might not necessarily resemble anybody else's. And that's awesome.

 

In my opinion, having all of the Mane Six's character arcs converge on a single point (in this case, princesses running the country) would be blatantly spitting on all of those ideas. I'm still uncomfortable enough with having a race change of all things serve as a representation of maturity, wisdom and specialness.

[Pastel 7,630]

Again, What is so terrible about it? So many people say it is, but I haven't met ONE who could articulate what is so "wrong" about it.

That would ruin them, I like that they're the same race as the other characters. (well...it's not true for Twilight anymore).

 

Can you imagine Rainbow Dash with a horn? Applejack with wings and a horn? They would look so awful, and they wouldn't be the characters we've grown to love anymore.

Edited March 3, 2015 by Blobulle

[Silver Letter 1,832]

 

 

Again, What is so terrible about it? So many people say it is, but I haven't met ONE who could articulate what is so "wrong" about it.

Twilight was trained and had studied for her entire life so she can follow her destiny towards being an Alicorn. It's why she was Celestia's student. Do people think she had Twilight be her student for nothing? I would feel that just giving the other ponies ascension towards being a princess would trivialize her journey and even the concept of Alicorns. And for those that think it was already trivialized by Twilight's ascension, I really don't care. Celestia has no reason to give the other ponies such power then they were never given focus towards that purpose over their lives. If all the ponies were her students then that would be slightly different but it wasn't that way.

 

 

Hey, maybe Rainbow Dash can finally hope to get into the Wonderbolts

She is already a Wonderbolt.

[Buck Testa 5,505]

That would ruin them, I like that they're the same race as the other characters. (well...it's not true for Twilight anymore).

 

Can you imagine Rainbow Dash with a horn? Applejack with wings and a horn? They would look so awful, and they wouldn't be the characters we've grown to love anymore.

If they do a good job with the design they'd look great! I'm more concerned with those Rainbow powers actually, NOW THAT was hideous.

 

I don't think it would ruin them at all, what makes them great are not because they are earth ponies or pegasi, but because of who they are as a character and the growth they've had together. Would changing someones appearance be that bad of a thing if they were still the same person? Think of the implications behind that thought process.  

Twilight was trained and had studied for her entire life so she can follow her destiny towards being an Alicorn. It's why she was Celestia's student. Do people think she had Twilight be her student for nothing? I would feel that just giving the other ponies ascension towards being a princess would trivialize her journey and even the concept of Alicorns. And for those that think it was already trivialized by Twilight's ascension, I really don't care. Celestia has no reason to give the other ponies such power then they were never given focus towards that purpose over their lives. If all the ponies were her students then that would be slightly different but it wasn't that way.

 

 

I was unaware that she ever stated that she was training to become an Alicorn, I don't believe that was ever her intention. She was there to learn magic and be like starswirl and Celestia had bigger plans for her. However Celestia also instructed her to "make friends", friends that turned out to be the elements of harmony. Also being Celestia's student isn't the only catalyst for being an Alicorn, Sunset wasn't made into an alicorn, though Celestia had that in mind, but Cadence was not her student and yet she achieved alicorn status. 

Edited March 3, 2015 by Buck Testa

[Prince Firemane 309]

Sure, it has. Nevertheless, the first three seasons made me feel like each of the mane six were only as important as each other, and that favoring any of the mane five over Twilight was no wrong choice. That they would each develop and meet their goals at their own paces, and each of their development actually mattered. 

 

Now what the series is making no attempt to hide is that I should be exalting Twilight over her friends at all times. That I am definitely wrong for favoring someone else over her, and that I should not expect for their development to be anything more than a second thought. 

How so? Several episodes were dedicated to the others and while Twilight did play a role sometimes, she didn't always. In fact in season 4, the most ham-fisted of Twilight-centeredness, Each and every one of the mane six had their own catharsis and trials in order to gain their key. That was definitely not a journey Twilight took alone, nor did she gain more from it than the others. Even Twilight's Princess status is hers alone, each and every one of her friends have their own thrones in the castle.

 

 

, maybe Rainbow Dash can finally hope to get into the Wonderbolts after Twilight is sitting pretty on Celestia's throne. Maybe...

Perhaps Rainbow Dash doesn't even want to be a Wonderbolt anymore. She obviously has doubts about it ever since the writers decided to 180 Spitfire's character. And that, right there, is part of Rainbow Dash's personal development that had very little to do with Twilight.

[UnknownFry 169]

Explain how it is lazy writing though?

 

Depends on how it is handled.

 

Twilight didn't really desire to become an Alicorn either, she was aspiring to be something more along the lines of Starswirl actually (at least thats the way I see it) but Celestia was grooming her for the position just as she tried with Sunset (but didn't succeed).

 

Fair enough.

 

But if they had done the work to do so, even unintentionally like Twilight, wouldn't they earn theirs through merit as well?

 

Possibly, but the potential to ascend may be restricted to only a few select ponies rather than being something flat out that everyone has a shot at. It is possible the other five could do all they possibly do and still not make it.

 

I don't see the need to for the other five to ascend as I don't believe achieving their goals and future aspirations are contingent on such a thing, but if it has to happen then let them earn it in their own way through their own merits.

 

Cadence was not her student and yet she achieved alicorn status. 

 

Cadence was enrolled into Celestia's school after Celestia adopted her as her niece. So she went in reverse order of what Twilight went through but the mechanics behind the ascension remains the same in these two cases as both of them reached that same magical realm that was depicited in MMC basedon the backstory given to her in that Crystal Heart Spell book.

 

Hey, maybe Rainbow Dash can finally hope to get into the Wonderbolts

 

Maybe she will finally make after she goes through all the proper procedures in order to so. It is not contingent on the direction the show takes with Twilight.

 

Plus she is already in the reserves.

 

A huge reason the show has been so successful is that the Mane Six were conceived with the idea that there isn't one absolutely correct way to be a girl/person. There are unhealthy patterns of thought and behavior that you should work to overcome, but personal growth is a continuous process. You will never be a finished product, and even if you somehow were to become one, that finished product might not necessarily resemble anybody else's. And that's awesome.

 

Well said.

 

Also Hasbro and the Staff are not actively sabotaging other's development in favor of Twilight. They are just trying to do their jobs while telling their stories with their franchise. No need for absurd conspiracy theories just because it may not be the direction that some would like it to be 

Edited March 3, 2015 by UnknownFry

[Silver Letter 1,832]

 

 

I was unaware that she ever stated that she was training to become an Alicorn, I don't believe that was ever her intention

That's probably true but I would wonder what Twilight thought as to why Celestia was her mentor. For fun? I'm certain that an immortal always has long term plans such as growing to become an Alicorn princess. The only rational endgame would be that.

 

 

 

Also being Celestia's student isn't the only catalyst for being an Alicorn

I would say the best catalyst would be a pony given special grooming from Celestia to become a princess. The other five are not given such treatment. They don't study like Twilight does and they don't have a special relationship with the princess that we know of.

 

I still say that I would not be happy if the other five turned into Alicorns. Not at all.

[Hocus Pocus 636]

Honestly I'd be fine with this happening.

 

Only one of the mane 6 being an alicorn is pretty Mary-Sueish to me, but if ALL the mane 6 characters were alicorns, that would balance it all out. The main characters of a story are SUPPOSED to be OP, and while Twilight is the "main" main character and is supposed to be just a little stronger than the rest, having only her as an alicorn would still be far too unbalanced.

[Birdwing 87]

What about it is a terrible plot device? Explain it to me.

 

Edit: Twilight worked hard to become a princess, and studied for many years under Princess Celestia. To me, it'll be disappointing to see the others transformed into alicorns without equivalent feats in their own respective elements, and without a close & personal bond to Celestia (which there currently isn't). And so the Mane 6 becoming alicorns is not only highly predictable but a lazy, unoriginal way to end the show, hence why I think it will be a terrible plot device. It's just my personal opinion, which I am entitled to 

Edited March 4, 2015 by Birdwing

[Buck Testa 5,505]

Edit: Twilight worked hard to become a princess, and studied for many years under Princess Celestia. To me, it'll be disappointing to see the others transformed into alicorns without equivalent feats in their own respective elements, and without a close & personal bond to Celestia (which there currently isn't). And so the Mane 6 becoming alicorns is not only highly predictable but a lazy, unoriginal way to end the show, hence why I think it will be a terrible plot device. It's just my personal opinion, which I am entitled to 

Of course you are, just as I'm entitled to mine. Question though; Say they DID perform "equivalent feats in their own respective elements" (which is what I'm saying should happen by the way), would you then be okay with them becoming alicorns? A relationship with Celestia isn't exactly Necessary for becoming one either, as its earned through merit like how Cadence and Twilight got theirs. 

 

I'm not saying at the last scene they just go "POOF we are alicorns, the end" I agree that THAT would be really stupid and hackneyed. However if they have their own journeys truly finding what makes their element work and becoming the embodiment of it over time during the season or the series, then it wouldn't be contrived at all, it would be away to cultivate true character growth for all involved. 

 

So its not a bad plot device per say, you just have to make sure you use it properly and not just slap wings and horns on ponies for no good reason. 

[Birdwing 87]

So its not a bad plot device per say, you just have to make sure you use it properly and not just slap wings and horns on ponies for no good reason. 

 

Even if it handled correctly, it is not the greatest plot device because it is predictable and rather unoriginal as I've already said. But I guess we'll just have to wait and see how they decide to end the series 

[Buck Testa 5,505]

Even if it handled correctly, it is not the greatest plot device because it is predictable and rather unoriginal as I've already said. But I guess we'll just have to wait and see how they decide to end the series 

My point is that its possible and that the gears are in place where they could have such an end. but I'm not arguing that its the "best ending" per say, just that its really probable if you look at in show canon. In a way we are actually saying the same thing, that its a "predictable ending" 

[Elchar 51]

If they were actually going to earn it, they would have done so already. They've put in a significant amount of work into defending Equestria, and have become just as well-learned in the concept of friendship as Twilight is.  

 

It's just not in the cards for them. At all. Because Hasbro wants Twilight to be the important one and that alone is enough to make it impossible. 

 

Even as a series finale, I don't see it happening. 

 

 

Uhh, yeah, this about sums it up. The mane five are the "helpers." In other words, they're the sidekicks. They're never going to have a chance to prove themselves through leadership because that role is reserved for Twilight only. 

 

You are really butthurt about Princess Twilight, aren't you? You completely missed the entire point though. Twilight isn't better than the rest of Mane 6. She never was and never will be. She became alicorn because... well. she has been on a route to become one pretty much ever since Celestia picked her to be her personal student. I am 100% sure Celestia planned to make Twilight alicorn ever since that moment. (I am also quessing she originally planned the same for Sunset Shimmer)

Edited March 4, 2015 by Elchar

[Ashen Pathfinder 16,161]

I am just not convinced that such an idea takes place. It makes since for Twilight considering her talent (not cutie mark) and the trials that she has endured. Heck, it could make sense for Sunset Shimmer in a sense, but I just can't connect the alicorn dichotomy to the rest of the Mane 6.

 

I just don't see it happening. Granted it would ruin my enjoyment of the show if it did happen, but...we'll see.

[Silver Letter 1,832]

 

 

"Auh...these wings do NOT go with my garment" ala Rarity Belle

It's just Rarity. She has no last name.

[Fractured 2,684]

It would complicate quite a bit. For one, physical differences aside, pretty much all of the Mane Six have personal dreams that would be put on hold so they could become royalty. It also conflicts with some of their characters: i'm under the impression at least Applejack and Fluttershy would never shoot for alicorn status under the duties associated with it. 

 

It would basically just ending up causing unnecessary trouble in the long run. For an episode, maybe, but a terrible permanent idea.

[Buck Testa 5,505]

It would complicate quite a bit. For one, physical differences aside, pretty much all of the Mane Six have personal dreams that would be put on hold so they could become royalty. It also conflicts with some of their characters: i'm under the impression at least Applejack and Fluttershy would never shoot for alicorn status under the duties associated with it. 

 

It would basically just ending up causing unnecessary trouble in the long run. For an episode, maybe, but a terrible permanent idea.

Probably the most compelling argument I've heard so far actually. However the fact that royalty would cause problems for them is actually interesting fodder for stories wouldn't you think? How WOULD Rainbow Dash feel if she couldn't be a wonderbolt now because of royal obligations? Would she hate it? Would she sneak off? Maybe she could even find a solution to it, focusing her positions influence on the Wonderbolts, but not in the way she had originally intended. 

 

Applejack would probably have the biggest change in what she is used to out of all of them, she can't just go back to doing what she does, and  that would be something that would cause a lot of conflict for her. Conflict is great material for episodes and it allows for deeper insight into who they are as characters. 

If anything the problems it would cause makes me even more interested in this idea. 

[cuteycindyhoney 13,306]

Making the whole cast of characters Alicorns would be poor writing at it's most startling. What possible reason would their be? The two known Unicorn characters that became Alicorns (Cadence and Twilight) were both powerful magic users. None of the other characters have any magic on that level. Applejack has pretty much none. Will she be the Princess of apples? Why would she ascend? She kicked a tree extra hard one day? 

[Cleverclover 1,526]

Are you sure that there is no possible way any of the mane six had EVER, at ANY point, showed ANY kinds of leadership skills?

 

Not when it comes to any dire, life-threatening situations. Hell, Princess Twilight Sparkle went an extra mile to show that the mane five are helplessly lost and clueless without Twilight.  

 

 

Are you sure that there is absolutely NOTHING that would point to them becoming a team instead of a leader and followers?

 

 

Not since season 4 changed the status quo. 

 

 

 

Several episodes were dedicated to the others and while Twilight did play a role sometimes, she didn't always.

 

She actually assisted in getting about a dozen episodes in season 4 to their conclusion, usually by being the one to come up with the solution for the mane six's problems, because that's also something that the other five can't normally do. 

 

Rainbow Dash owes her key to Twilight entirely. She wouldn't have gotten it were it not for her guilt tripping. Meanwhile, Twilight herself did not have to adhere to the established requirements for receiving a key, and thus she got it without reducing herself to the level of fallibility like the rest of her friends. 

 

The show/writers obviously want Twilight to look superior to her friends. It's simply not possible to watch through season 4 and not clearly see that Twilight came out the cleanest---showing the fewest flaws, making the fewest mistakes, and overall just being better than her friends in every conceivable way. 

 

 

 

Perhaps Rainbow Dash doesn't even want to be a Wonderbolt anymore.

 

 

Sure, let's just have her give up on the only dream she's had since the very first episode. Clearly the Wonderbolts lack any ability whatsoever to change and Rainbow should just give up on them forever, nevermind that she clearly made Spitfire see the error of her ways in both instances and has had a major impact on the Wonderbolts already. 

 

 

 

You are really butthurt about Princess Twilight, aren't you?

 

 

You could say that. Where once I liked and cared about her a lot, I am now utterly annoyed by how much the writers wants her to be some shining beacon of perfection. 

Edited March 5, 2015 by Cleverclover

[Fractured 2,684]

Probably the most compelling argument I've heard so far actually. However the fact that royalty would cause problems for them is actually interesting fodder for stories wouldn't you think? How WOULD Rainbow Dash feel if she couldn't be a wonderbolt now because of royal obligations? Would she hate it? Would she sneak off? Maybe she could even find a solution to it, focusing her positions influence on the Wonderbolts, but not in the way she had originally intended. 

 

Applejack would probably have the biggest change in what she is used to out of all of them, she can't just go back to doing what she does, and  that would be something that would cause a lot of conflict for her. Conflict is great material for episodes and it allows for deeper insight into who they are as characters. 

If anything the problems it would cause makes me even more interested in this idea. 

Possibly interesting, but it would require stopping everything the show was built on previously and moving it in an entire different direction in order to build on it. I can't support that.