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[HigurSan 195]

@@Lordav,

Alicorns don't have to use logic.

 

They're alicorns. One sent the other to the moon for a millennia over a jealousy spat.

 

Another can burst into flames of anger at will.

 

The last can use love as a weapon.

 

How could logic be applied to any of these?

 

It's just like teenaged girls.

[Lordav 3,427]

@@HigurSan, 

 

In that case.. there should be an easy way to... ahem.. persuade them

 

[HigurSan 195]

Where... do you get these from XD?

[Lordav 3,427]

Where... do you get these from XD?

Ze wundrful mr gugle *derp*

[Lordav 3,427]

Where... do you get these from XD?

OI. You sink mah ships... I sink your... Castle??? Also... Arent you thinking of riots... Nobles have a lot of power... If you look in history... Example, engish ciil war... The king got the chop

 

(Was too lazy to mention... Im mobile... Quote works just as well)

You could try it woth import taxes... But we saw how that worked (american revolution)

 

Nobility will always exist... Unless ur going communist XD

[Gloomfury 243]

 

LONG LIVE THE MOTHERLAND! 

[Lordav 3,427]

@@Gloomfury

 

Historically, no pirate fleet actually managed to take over a navy. Pirates only attacked shipping. Also pirates loved fast attacks, therefor theyre ships were small compared to navy warships. They didnt stand a chance.

 

Ur OC doesnt knkw economics 0.o

 

"Nothing is certain except death or taxes"

[Gloomfury 243]

@@Lordav,

 

But as pirates got more well known they get bigger ships. More room for cargo, stronger fire power, more men to fight. Like Blackbeard. The Queen Ann's Revenge was a powerhouse back in the day. And even though it took time Gloom build up a strong fleet to be able to take stronger ships. So he has a few war ships. But mostly fast ships for quick attacks. 

 

But his flag ship is a war ship, it's fast and has a lot of fire power.

[Lordav 3,427]

@@Lordav,

 

But as pirates got more well known they get bigger ships. More room for cargo, stronger fire power, more men to fight. Like Blackbeard. The Queen Ann's Revenge was a powerhouse back in the day. And even though it took time Gloom build up a strong fleet to be able to take stronger ships. So he has a few war ships. But mostly fast ships for quick attacks.

 

But his flag ship is a war ship, it's fast and has a lot of fire power.

Queen anne was a 40-gun frigate... No match for a proper men o' war

 

I know history... Pirates rarely attacke the navy... They were better trained, disciplined, supplied and armed. Also, countries but enourmous money in warships, no pirate could match em.

 

Look it up. Millitary Man of wars had 64-122 guns and 300+ crew... They could carry much larger guns. Something pirates never achieved

 

 

Also... Gunpowder is not a thing in this RP ... It think

[Gloomfury 243]

I know history... Pirates rarely attacke the navy... They were better trained, disciplined, supplied and armed. Also, countries but enourmous money in warships, no pirate could match em.

 

Even a large group of ants can take down a bird. Gloom might have been able to talk a few ship into helping him take bigger ships. And those  bigger ship helps take even bigger ships. And so on and so on. Plus I bet you can take any ship without battling ships. Like sneaking on bored and killing the crew one by one.

 

And Gloom is daring enough to attack the navy.  

Edited June 8, 2015 by Gloomfury

[HigurSan 195]

@@Gloomfury,

I think your post might have ignored a couple of things Gloom.

 

Namely that in the Equestrian hemisphere, there are -only- ships owned by big companies. (Other than like, small fishing boats.) All the small timers have basically been bought out. So now the big companies are the only route available to businesses in Equestria. There are effectively ships flying under the flag of five or six trading companies, the Royal Navy, and no one else.

 

That and your post goes on about there being two nations. So far as I'm aware, there's only one: Equestria. Unless you count the changelings. (Yes, Twilight has a kingdom, and Cadence has the Crystal Empire, but thus far they all fall under the same banner.)

 

As well, I'm not sure exactly sure how a pirate could get so big and powerful, without being stamped into a messy paste by the Royal Princesses.

[Gloomfury 243]

@@HigurSan,

 

I was talking about the griffon kingdom.  

 

 I'm sure they're just as strong as Equestria.

 

And maybe the reasons why the princesses don't know much about him is because the princesses don't really have a lot of control over the military. The princesses are more like figure heads of you think about it.  Nobles, politicians, generals  all weren't really under the kings and queens rule.   If they were then they ain't doing much in this world.

 

Plus Gloom could have down it without being sought. Like taking on different names, using different ships. There ain't a lot of thing you can't do to make sure you won't be found out. Maybe even paying off some people in he navy so that they help them keeo the military off their trail. 

And there hase to be a few people not part of the military or trading companies. I mean how did those companies get started in the first place? They weren't always big. Am I right?

[SilverHeart 741]

@@Gloomfury, 

 

 

I don't think the princesses would have stayed in power for long if they were such weak rulers. With a 1000 years plus however long Celestia and her sister ruled years of experience under her belt, Celestia would probably be one if not the strongest ruler to ever exist. I would imagine (but ultimately it is up to HigurSan) that the other three princesses would have nowhere near the influence Celestia does however with Princess Celestia backing them (I don't see why she wouldn't, one princess is her sister, the other her adopted niece, and the last her personal protege) each of the other princesses would still hold considerable power. 

 

However, let's consider that Celestia and Luna were figureheads at one point. By the very nature of their lives, (Being at best immortal and at worst extremely long-lived) they would be the worst targets for someone wanting to control puppet rulers, not only would they outlive whoever is manipulating them (Unless it was Discord, who we know isn't doing so) they would naturally accumulate power over the decades and centuries. Controlling two immortal beings that are stronger than most of the populous and will outlive you would be fruitless. It would require a very dedicated organization that never made mistakes. The only way you could have the Princesses be figureheads is if they willingly relinquished the power. 

[Gloomfury 243]

I guess.

[HigurSan 195]

@@Gloomfury,

Griffon Kingdom? That works. As to how strong they are, it's not something spoken of on the show. Gilda is really the only griffon we've seen thus far.

 

Gm's Judgments: (So we can move on.)

The Griffon Kingdom's can be a major power, a fraction less powerful than Equestria. Given what we know about griffons, there'd be a lot of high-running tempers, and infighting would be common. (Political or otherwise.) I'm not sure why a primarily flight based nation would need ships. Its shown to be possible to have entire flying/movable cities. But I'll permit it.

 

In this Roleplay, the Princesses are not figureheads. Celestia, Luna, Twilight, and Cadence all are very active in the running of their respective kingdoms. Else it wouldn't be so important to ingratiate oneself to them. In terms both magical and political, they all hold significant clout and and their wrath is something to be feared. As has been said, if they catch wind that the nobility and other powerful individuals are up to no good, they'll have no qualms about stripping them of their titles and smashing them into tiny pieces.

 

On the matter of small businesses versus large companies, you're partially incorrect Gloom. The East India Company (though stereotyped in the P.o.t.C series) were genuinely all powerful. While they started out as a small business, the money gained from plying the Asianic trade routes gave them considerable power. They then used this power to systematically wiped out all competition, especially of the small and private variety. Either you worked for them, or ended up with your ships suffering mysterious sinkings, your accounts swarmed with debt, and all merchants refusing to trade with you. The major shipping companies in Equestria (run by the nobility) have been actively working together to give them collective complete control over all trade. With there only being one Princess to run everything, it was much easier to slip it past without her notice. In the future, things will be harder. More eyes looking outward.

[Gloomfury 243]

I'm getting bored of having to point things out where they can work. And in one of the last episodes they went to the griffon kingdom in griffonstone.

 

If ya gonna nit pick what I write at least think logically on  how those things can work.

 

If not then be 100% specific on how everything works in this world. 

 

I'm trying to contribute but it just seems like I'm wasting my breath and being pointed out as wrong because I'm not sure how this world works.  

 

Cause I'm pretty sure I was the first one to even mention trading companies. 

 

And I'm starting to get irritated. 

Edited June 9, 2015 by Gloomfury

[HigurSan 195]

@@Gloomfury,

I don't keep up with 100% of the shows events. Hardly anyone can be expected to.

 

I'm not nitpicking. I'm just passing judgement to solve a contested issue, so we can all move on and have fun rping.

 

You're completely and totally free to pm me at any time to suggest things regarding the roleplay, as is everyone else. Just adding it in without consultation causes trouble.

[Gloomfury 243]

How come? I think cause I mention trading companies It gives everyone another way to make money. 

 

Plus you didn't say no one is allowed to come up with anything in post. Now we got to tell you first? Now it just seems like planing out posts. Which will make things boring. 

 

I'm keeping things in the likely yet you didn't even consider the griffin kingdome as a second world power. 

 

Think on the spot and keep things interesting. That's how I roll, dude.

 

But fine, I'll run it by you first. But don't take four or five days to answer or post. I got a short attention span and I might lose interest.

[HigurSan 195]

@@Gloomfury,

Given that it is my rp, and that I have a responsibility as a GM, I intend on checking up daily if possible.

[Lordav 3,427]

@@Gloomfury,

Actually, there was no way for pirates to take on the navy. If you look at the "golden age of pieacy", it took place during the major wars, in which the powers (britain, france, sapin, netjerlands, etc) were warring each other. The moment the war was over a clear plummet in pirating is visible. Forget the stories about pirates boardig navy ship... That almost never heppened. And even more, navy ships, especially big ones usually sailed in flewts and had 300+ crew. A group of pirates cant possible take them on. Another problem is thay... Even if they magically managed to capture one... Theu couldnt possibly use it. Take first rates for example. Only the richest empires could afford to build and maintain them. Now how can a pirate gang do what an entire nation cant. also, the moment that 1 ships is captured... There is no way any contact can keep the navy off ur tail, only if that contact is the monarch.


@@HigurSan

Also... Saddle arabia made a breif mentioning

Forget the east india... Look at the VOC.(dutch one) that actually proves how powerful trading comps can be... And not only wealth-wise. 75% of their employees were in a private millitary. They had one of the biggest armies in india. ( ten the brits took ober... But still)... Also, the east india had a private army as well.

[Gloomfury 243]

@@Lordav, 

 

Just cause it seems like everything is stack against them don't mean they couldn't pull off keeping the navy at bay, starting their own colony and making a new land.

 

No military is perfect in every way or unstoppable. In this one, Gloom made the right calls, the right moves to be able to get this far. And this ain't the real world, what you say don't really have any effect on what's happening now in this world.

 

You focus to much on how it didn't work, now focus on how it can.

 

If you can't then you got no imagination.

Edited June 9, 2015 by Gloomfury

[Lordav 3,427]

@@Gloomfury, 

 

NO.. no millitary is perfect (except the... wait for it.... the mongols) but there is no wqay a group of mercenaries could beat a proper army.... are you telling me you got over 20,000 guys under your command... if you do.... most of ur fleet should be transports, wich are slow and weak. What im saying is that a greoup of independent warriors has npo chance of actually striking more than a single victory on a actual country.... it just cant... thats why countries exist.... otherwise everybody would have their own state (hint, hint... italy... and that turned out for them... didnt it =p)

 

no even if it was... do u think nations will just let u make your own country like that? You would get invaded in a couplke of days.

 

Its not that i cant... its just that... it shouldnt... i mean you do realize what you actually have here is almost another ruler.... which is not supposed to happen in this RP =p

[nx9100 1,013]

@@Lordav, Ennex could provide the security for the ships.  just waiting for @@Windbreaker to reply to me.....

[Lordav 3,427]

@@nx9100, 

 

A toast for a possible partnership... against the ragged pirates  :comeatus: 

[Gloomfury 243]

@@Lordav,

 

A leader, not a ruler. And doesn't even have a colony yet. Just an island like Nassau that's his base of operations and where his loot can be fenced.

 

And just cause it shouldn't, don't mean it can't. 

 

And I said before, Gloom has a few of those ships in his fleet, he also has fast ships as well. Frigates, brigs, man'o wars smaller shps. He got a few of each and more of some. 

 

Why do you want to prove me wrong so badly?