movies/tv If one compare japanese animation towards western.

[Finia 260]

I'd say i somewhat like western more better in some parts. I mean i saw something that was mimicking the art style of anime called "Avatar The Last Airbender". But here is the beauty of it. It doesnt go too much into melodrama, it gets to the point and it doesnt use chibi art to express stuff.

 

But i'd say this is a trait that exists. I guess in Japan its more the case of making everything cute.But its also some philosophical nonsense like "Wow i miss those days". I mean there have been times where i'd spaced out like that too in terms of the old days. Which is a nonsensical trait of human behavior. If you see a water slide, you'd friggin slide that slide. Experience is by doing, so dont dwell too much on thoughts

 

Dont wanna encourage that type of behavior to say the least

Edited July 20, 2015 by Finia

[Silver Letter 1,832]

Is there supposed to be a point to this or are you asking us a question?

[Finia 260]

Is there supposed to be a point to this or are you asking us a question?

I mean it though. I mean in anime there usually are so much... well they talk about this and that which makes no sense. Which is why i love when the plot just gets to the point instead of philosophical dwellings.

[Thuja 3,663]

Not everything in Japanese animation is "cute" there are various art styles and various genres of anime.  Most western cartoons are geared towards children since it's still the mindset that "cartoons are for children", western cartoons that are actually geared towards adults are rare.  Some cartoons might be meant for older kids and I think those sometimes tend to find a happy medium between childish and adult themes.  Something like Avatar: The Last Airbender or The Legend of Korra.  Though I don't know much about the most recent cartoons.

[Silver Letter 1,832]

All countries do that. Japan is not unique in that regard.

[Finia 260]

Not everything in Japanese animation is "cute" there are various art styles and various genres of anime.  Most western cartoons are geared towards children since it's still the mindset that "cartoons are for children", western cartoons that are actually geared towards adults are rare.  Some cartoons might be meant for older kids and I think those sometimes tend to find a happy medium between childish and adult themes.  Something like Avatar: The Last Airbender or The Legend of Korra.  Though I don't know much about the most recent cartoons.

Well i used to believe that too. I mean i watched Rurouni Kenshin, Naruto, Blood+, Claymore, Spice and Wolf and Death Note etc. But even so its usually a case

when they really feel like adding it in. Although there are some that actually have respect to not use some chibi, but thats usually rare.

 

Well its more optimistic in the cases. Like they dont try to make it melodramatic, its more here it is. Enjoy, type of entertainment

 

All countries do that. Japan is not unique in that regard.

Not from what i remember. That stuff is very very noticable in japanese animation.

Edited July 20, 2015 by Finia

[Daring_Do 552]

The Japanese have got no variety. They all just copy the same exact art style.

[Discordian 6,015]

The Japanese have got no variety. They all just copy the same exact art style.

When you're using pseudo-realistic-looking characters there's not a whole lot of variation to be had but there are still many, many different artstyles within anime.

Not everything in Japanese animation is "cute" there are various art styles and various genres of anime.  Most western cartoons are geared towards children since it's still the mindset that "cartoons are for children", western cartoons that are actually geared towards adults are rare.  Some cartoons might be meant for older kids and I think those sometimes tend to find a happy medium between childish and adult themes.  Something like Avatar: The Last Airbender or The Legend of Korra.  Though I don't know much about the most recent cartoons.

Not to mention that whenever the US makes an adult cartoon it's usually shitty humor and shittier art and animation.

 

But don't let anime fool you. Most of it is still considered children's cartoons in Japan. They just have a higher threshold for what's okay for children to see at younger ages.

[Shanks 10,816]

Western cartoons tend to with some exceptions be geared toward children but though most of the animes that make it to the west are Shonen (anime term for anime geared toward young boys) there are various animes that are released on a regular basis in Japan geared toward every single demographic you can think of, and I mean EVERY one you can think of. This means more diversity in story telling as well as animation style. Some of this diversity is reflected in American comics though with the comics culture becoming increasingly mainstream and some comic book based movies expressing, dark and mature themes like X Men Days of Future Past for example. They have both influenced each other greatly though, more western cartoons are using an anime inspired art style though interestingly enough the godfather of anime Osamu Tezuka was heavily influenced by Disney and has often been likened to a Japanese Walt Disney. Hiyao Miyazaki who is well known for making classics such as Spirited Away, My Neighbor Totoro and more is also heavily influenced by Disney and has also been called a Japanese Walt Disney.

 

The Japanese have got no variety. They all just copy the same exact art style.

Not true, there is a great deal of diversity in styles in both anime and western cartoons. Here are a few samples of different anime styles.

 

Dragon Ball

 

 

 

 

Cowboy Bebop

 

 

 

 

Sailor Moon

 

 

 

Edited July 20, 2015 by EarthbendingProdigy

[Daring_Do 552]

Well, I stand corrected, then. That is pretty noticeable.

 

Edit: But come to think of it, aren't there still a lot of anime that use the same cookie cutter style?

Edited July 20, 2015 by Daring_Do

[Finia 260]

When you're using pseudo-realistic-looking characters there's not a whole lot of variation to be had but there are still many, many different artstyles within anime.

 

Not to mention that whenever the US makes an adult cartoon it's usually shitty humor and shittier art and animation.

 

But don't let anime fool you. Most of it is still considered children's cartoons in Japan. They just have a higher threshold for what's okay for children to see at younger ages.

Well from what i know is my typical stereotype of american entertainment in terms of movies

- Drugs (People who love drugs)

- Booties

- Its not you, its me.

 

Well thats movie cliches. When it comes to animation it varies more i think. But i dont believe traditional animation is so popular anymore. The 90s was mostly disney that comes to my mind. But there are differences. Just because its for adults doesnt make it good. I mean in context of what its about and if it pays off. Like i dont think we need more series about high school for example, and just because it has lots of ketchup blood doesnt mean its good. I mean "Saw" movie series have that too but that doesnt mean its good (Although i may have to watch the first one again. I believe it was ok).

 

But you gotta sell the rest too. For example, i said i didnt really like that they dwell on philosophical issues. What i ment was that in the middle of the fight you dont stop, you fight and win. For example if i had to mention a good one that actually focuses purely on philosophical ideas, then that is "Kino's Journey".

Edited July 20, 2015 by Finia

[Thuja 3,663]

Not to mention that whenever the US makes an adult cartoon it's usually shitty humor and shittier art and animation.

 

But don't let anime fool you. Most of it is still considered children's cartoons in Japan. They just have a higher threshold for what's okay for children to see at younger ages.

 

I know that a lot of US cartoons for adults typically aren't that good but I was only using it as an example, not for it's quality. 

 

I'm not letting anime fool me, I know there's a difference in cultures and a lot of things might be considered ok in Japan compared to North America.

[Finia 260]

I know that a lot of US cartoons for adults typically aren't that good but I was only using it as an example, not for it's quality. 

 

I'm not letting anime fool me, I know there's a difference in cultures and a lot of things might be considered ok in Japan compared to North America.

Well i dunno. I mean its pretty PC now to have this stuff

 

 

 

But i haven't watched Deadman Wonderland, but i have a sudden urge to move to a dungeon and listen to Linkin Park with this ^^

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=II9mI-uPdso

 

 

Generally i believe there should be no restriction to express yourself through entertainment if your creativity gets you there

Edited July 20, 2015 by Finia

[Sunset's Shimmer 394]

From someone that does voice-over, there's a very significant technically difference between American (western) animation and, Japanese "anime" animation. In japan anime doesn't represent the specific kind of animation that you or I think of, (big eyes, detailed bodies, unique plots) the term anime in japan literally translates to "animation" it's a blanket term for all things anime, including western animation.

 

Another interesting thing is how it's recorded, when a country's show is native to it's language, it's typically recorded through a process called "prelay", basically meaning the actors have little to know idea what the characters look like, and only have a picture or two, and the script to go off of. It also means that the actors will record their lines together in one room.  When you hear the same show in another language, the proccess is called "dubbing", this typically involves actors to come in one-by-one to record their lines. They don't have each other to play off of.

 

For example MLP is recorded "prelay"animation in America (technically, Canada). Where as DBZ or Sailor Moon, is recorded via dubbing, and vis versa in japan.

[Thuja 3,663]

Well i dunno. I mean its pretty PC now to have this stuff

 

 

 

But i haven't watched Deadman Wonderland, but i have a sudden urge to move to a dungeon and listen to Linkin Park with this ^^

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=II9mI-uPdso

 

 

Generally i believe there should be no restriction to express yourself through entertainment if your creativity gets you there

 

PC?  Do you mean Politically Correct?  I don't know what you mean by that?

 

If you're interested in a racing anime, you might want to give Redline a go.  It's a movie and it's from the same company that made Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust, if you're interested.

[Finia 260]

PC?  Do you mean Politically Correct?  I don't know what you mean by that?

 

If you're interested in a racing anime, you might want to give Redline a go.  It's a movie and it's from the same company that made Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust, if you're interested.

I suddently wanna check out Deadman Wonderland. I didnt give it so much of a change. Although i think it was one clever thing with the show. It was this girl who had a white uniform or something with red lines on it. But it looks like she's naked with just red lines. So i was thinking if it was a joke. Like if you'd imagine someone in real life was walking around and somebody would call the cops for a nudist walking around, and the person would say "no officer. See. Its clothers" Just to see if it would work

 

Ah i remember some anime fan talking about this when i worked in IT. They said it was the most expensive stuff ever made. I'll think about it : 3.

[Thuja 3,663]

I suddently wanna check out Deadman Wonderland. I didnt give it so much of a change. Although i think it was one clever thing with the show. It was this girl who had a white uniform or something with red lines on it. But it looks like she's naked with just red lines. So i was thinking if it was a joke. Like if you'd imagine someone in real life was walking around and somebody would call the cops for a nudist walking around, and the person would say "no officer. See. Its clothers" Just to see if it would work

 

Ah i remember some anime fan talking about this when i worked in IT. They said it was the most expensive stuff ever made. I'll think about it : 3.

 

I thought that girl was naked, she's wearing a uniform?!

 

For a while there, you could see Redline for free on youtube but now it seems they are asking for money in order to see it.  Ah well.

[Littlecandylulu903 415]

Well I'd say japanese animation is more gear-able to a general audience, whereas western animation generally gets waved off as "kids' stuff" unless it is chock-full of sex, drugs, and gore. It's such a shame to see genuinely good and general audience animation such as Disney movies get talked down to solely by virtue of it being drawn.

[eekster 57]

From what I know, the animation process and the dubbing process takes relevance depending on the style of animation. American style animation, including most parts of the world that follow the style and technique, is heavily based on the voice over. They take the voice works first, then do the animation, as to sync the lips flawlessly. It works for the language intended but not on other languages. The "Anime" process puts the animation process first and on top priority. The voice actors/actresses have to fit their dialogue around certain part of the scene. That's why you don't see much dynamics on the animation of the mouth and the lips. When it is dubbed in a different language, it most likely to work since the animators didn't really put into consideration the shape of the lips and tongue. 

 

They say Japanese people are generally shy. It's pretty ironic that Japanese people generally shun anything out of the norm but their anime and wacky Japanese variety shows says a different story. That's quite true for other Asian people as I am a Filipino and I'm a little bit antisocial, although I'm much open for conversation now than before. Nonetheless, I'd say Anime > Western anime, all aspects put into consideration. There's just a lot of genre that anime works great with.

[GuyNamedEarl 1,332]

A lot of Western animation is geared towards kids and younger audiences, while Japanese Anime has more exposition and story-driven plots and is for older kids and adults.

[The Coffee Pony 1,390]

I'm one of the oddballs that prefers Western Animation (especially the action-based ones like Gargoyles, TMNT, Transformers, etc.) over Anime. As toned down as Western Animation may be in comparison, I prefer it as their stories are more down-to-earth. Anime on the other hand (The Shonen Genre especially) tends to be over the top, tries way too hard to be complex and dramatic (as @Finia on this thread said, it gets to the point where its melodramatic) and has very ill-placed humor that can ruin serious moments.