Happy Upgrade to Windows 10 Day!

[Guest]

This is a guess of my part, but I presume that money can come from selling software, hardware and services. If I am not mistaken, this is how most of the money come with mobile OS'es.

That just seems odd that Microsoft who once made a killing off of selling Windows licenses is going to completely give up that market share and instead focus their efforts in a newer territory that isn't guaranteed to work...

 

I am calling it though: wait a year or two and we'll see a Windows 10 "subscription" or something.

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That just seems odd that Microsoft who once made a killing off of selling Windows licenses is going to completely give up that market share and instead focus their efforts in a newer territory that isn't guaranteed to work...

 

I am calling it though: wait a year or two and we'll see a Windows 10 "subscription" or something.

The free upgrade promotion expires 7/29/2016. After then, if you want Windows 10 you have to pay. If you get it within the grace period, though, it's free forever.

 

Also, I didn't pay for Windows 8.1 I got it through Dreamspark.

[Guest]

The free upgrade promotion expires 7/29/2016. After then, if you want Windows 10 you have to pay. If you get it within the grace period, though, it's free forever.

 

Also, I didn't pay for Windows 8.1 I got it through Dreamspark.

But that's my point. They are offering so many copies away for free, then after that more or less promising that we won't have to buy more versions of windows for a long time. They are taking a SIGNIFICANT drop in sales. Why? What do they gain from this? A business is out to make money and when I don't see dollar signs I start to wonder where that money will come from. Call me a skeptic, but I get a little nervous when a business makes a lot of nice moves that won't profit them any, especially after a ton of crappy moves that earned them a lot of negative feedback.

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But that's my point. They are offering so many copies away for free, then after that more or less promising that we won't have to buy more versions of windows for a long time. They are taking a SIGNIFICANT drop in sales. Why? What do they gain from this? A business is out to make money and when I don't see dollar signs I start to wonder where that money will come from. Call me a skeptic, but I get a little nervous when a business makes a lot of nice moves that won't profit them any, especially after a ton of crappy moves that earned them a lot of negative feedback.

They still make money off of OEM licenses and Office. Believe it or not people still buy pre-builts.

[Guest]

They still make money off of OEM licenses and Office. Believe it or not people still buy pre-builts.

I understand that, but you can't deny they are still taking a huge paycut here... On top of that, with their plan to keep devices on the latest Windows for the entirety of their lifespan means less new products will be being bought. Something just doesn't feel right. Yes they are making money still, but they are more or less abandoning the biggest money makers, and I still wonder why.

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I understand that, but you can't deny they are still taking a huge paycut here... On top of that, with their plan to keep devices on the latest Windows for the entirety of their lifespan means less new products will be being bought. Something just doesn't feel right. Yes they are making money still, but they are more or less abandoning the biggest money makers, and I still wonder why.

I believe the goal is to avoid another Windows XP situation. Ergo, prevent having another OS last 13 years (because honestly, that's way too long in computing.) They're pretty much intentionally taking a hit to avoid that situation again, if I'm on the right track.

[Guest]

I believe the goal is to avoid another Windows XP situation. Ergo, prevent having another OS last 13 years (because honestly, that's way too long in computing.) They're pretty much intentionally taking a hit to avoid that situation again, if I'm on the right track.

I'm hoping that's the case. I can't help but be skeptical though.

[Sunwalker 981]

But that's my point. They are offering so many copies away for free, then after that more or less promising that we won't have to buy more versions of windows for a long time. They are taking a SIGNIFICANT drop in sales. Why? What do they gain from this? A business is out to make money and when I don't see dollar signs I start to wonder where that money will come from. Call me a skeptic, but I get a little nervous when a business makes a lot of nice moves that won't profit them any, especially after a ton of crappy moves that earned them a lot of negative feedback.

Windows got some fame of being good once every two versions. Windows 8 tainted the OS's reputation, not unlike Vista and Millennium before it... So I guess that one of the reasons Microsoft is giving it for free to previous legitimate owners is in order to recover some of its reputation and get a market share for the new version. In the long run, those things might means more sales to Microsoft because people trust them.

 

This, and what Daring has said a little above .

Edited August 2, 2015 by Sunwalker

[VulpineTaco 525]

Well at the moment obviously no game requires 12 yet, but at the same time the only thing I am concerned about is... Where is the money? Microsoft doing this  big upgrade for free, promising this is more or less the "last" version of windows and we'll be getting free updates from now on. Where is the money? What's in it for them? I can't help but feel they are going to wait until we're all locked in and then we'll be given the bad news somewhere.

If that's how you feel, just dual-boot with your other OS.

[galaxysquid 2,122]

He said this originally

 

 

To me this implies that he think that Windows 10 will give you spyware, or he is referring to Windows 10 being spyware because of all the data Microsoft collects by default

 

First, I'm a girl not a boy. Hence why my username has the term "Princess" in it.

 

Secondly, yes I was referring to all of the crappy things Windows 10 does by default, like taking all of your personal details and sharing it with Microsoft.

[Rainbowdash_82 404]

I mean, for my laptop, so far so good! It is indeed more faster than windows 8.1 and it looks better! But it eats my battery out

[Fleur-De-Lis 350]

Secondly, yes I was referring to all of the crappy things Windows 10 does by default, like taking all of your personal details and sharing it with Microsoft.

Well there are privacy settings to change all that ... Not to mention I would even say its not much further than how much information your smart phone would take from you (do note those already have access to your location, contacts, sms messages, etc.) I would say it is more of that we are just more aware of it being taken.

 

I am not entirely happy about that either. But that is just the kind of times we live in. Somewhere down the line we all consented to our devices gathering certain information from us. Targeted advertisements which have been happening in web browser for some time now. Location, which even your IP address can give, media player gathering information online based on the name or album of the song, similarly is applied to videos. Computer's have been doing this a while, it just hasn't been as upfront or in your face about it. This paragraph is all stuff from desktops.

Edited August 3, 2015 by Fleur-De-Lis

[galaxysquid 2,122]

Well there are privacy settings to change all that ... Not to mention I would even say its not much further than how much information your smart phone would take from you (do note those already have access to your location, contacts, sms messages, etc.) I would say it is more of that we are just more aware of it being taken.

 

Yeah, but I'd rather not have my computer's private info taken from me.

 

Also, there is an option to change that, but it says right there that in a few hours/days it will automatically turn the settings back on.

 

I understand what your saying about smartphones, but we can't help that. :/ 

[Fleur-De-Lis 350]

Yeah, but I'd rather not have my computer's private info taken from me.

 

Also, there is an option to change that, but it says right there that in a few hours/days it will automatically turn the settings back on.

 

I understand what your saying about smartphones, but we can't help that. :/ 

 

I understand what you mean, its not a comfortable thought. But it has been happening more than you and I can think of.

 

What subsection was that from? I recall reading that too, but I do remember it was only for something really important ... something that we shouldn't turn off.

 

Also yea, we can totally help that! We simply chose not to, somewhere along the line it just became part of life, though the reason why escapes me. Basic phones, at the very least, will not take any of that kind of information from you, Its been an incredibly long time since I had a blackberry but I think they were the same.

 

If I compare Cortana and and the android voice recognition, Though I do not have experience with Siri, I would imagine they all use roughly the same type of information for their services. The base of which being speech recognition, which is fed with their appropriate servers or services, then gives the relevant information back to you. Location and certain search or language algorithms take place in the background, but are certainly part of the process, this is most identifiable through getting advertisements and relevant information and locations from local areas. Cortana seems to have an "inking" capability which in this case I would assume is handwriting, since that is now also a form of input.

[Guest]

He said this originally

 

 

To me this implies that he think that Windows 10 will give you spyware, or he is referring to Windows 10 being spyware because of all the data Microsoft collects by default

Well I don't know for sure unless they tell me exactly what they mean because it's so ambiguous. 

[Incognito Bandito 73]

I've heard they're introducing DirectX 12 to windows 10 and that it'll be a vast improvement over 11

[galaxysquid 2,122]

I understand what you mean, its not a comfortable thought. But it has been happening more than you and I can think of.

 

What subsection was that from? I recall reading that too, but I do remember it was only for something really important ... something that we shouldn't turn off.

 

Also yea, we can totally help that! We simply chose not to, somewhere along the line it just became part of life, though the reason why escapes me. Basic phones, at the very least, will not take any of that kind of information from you, Its been an incredibly long time since I had a blackberry but I think they were the same.

 

If I compare Cortana and and the android voice recognition, Though I do not have experience with Siri, I would imagine they all use roughly the same type of information for their services. The base of which being speech recognition, which is fed with their appropriate servers or services, then gives the relevant information back to you. Location and certain search or language algorithms take place in the background, but are certainly part of the process, this is most identifiable through getting advertisements and relevant information and locations from local areas. Cortana seems to have an "inking" capability which in this case I would assume is handwriting, since that is now also a form of input.

 

This is where I found all of this information. https://media.8ch.net/n/src/1438208149852.jpg

[LunaLover92 338]

Well I upgraded to windows 10 and nothing bad so far!, I just don't use Cortana...I find giving your computer personality is

a little creepy

[Boyevyye De 244]

I dont want too... I have only heard bad about it anyways.

[Guest]

I've upgraded to windows 10 and I'm less than impressed to say the least, In fact I've resorted to going back to windows 7 because I've had so many issues with it, they are as follows:

 

1. The interface for some of the system settings is ugly, there was nothing wrong with the old interface so it really didn't need any changing, it was very easy to use and straight-forward.

2. Default apps was an unnecessary addition to the OS that did nothing but mess with a program's settings to associate itself with various file types.

3. The start menu is still garbage as far as I'm concerned, the windows 7 version of the start menu is far superior and in order to get that you have to install Classic Shell (a third party program)

4. Updates are installed automatically by default without your consent, and windows update has been moved to a system setting rather than staying at the control panel where it belongs.

5. Unnecessary security such as not being able to write to certain locations, confirmation dialogues, etc.

6. Windows defender cannot be removed

7. Windows defender services cannot be stopped

 

And many more minor annoyances that all add up to the conclusion that upgrading to windows 10 is not worth it. I'll edit them in later once I think of more.

Edited August 5, 2015 by Guest

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1. The interface for some of the system settings is ugly, there was nothing wrong with the old interface so it really didn't need any changing, it was very easy to use and straight-forward.

Well good thing the Control Panel still exists then, isn't it?

 

 

 

2. Default apps was an unnecessary addition to the OS that did nothing but mess with a program's settings to associate itself with various file types.

Um, what? Literally every OS comes with a set of default apps. This isn't just a Windows 10 thing.

 

 

 

3. The start menu is still garbage as far as I'm concerned, the windows 7 version of the start menu is far superior and in order to get that you have to install Classic Shell (a third party program)

In your opinion. I find it quite useful.

 

 

 

4. Updates are installed automatically by default without your consent, and windows update has been moved to a system setting rather than staying at the control panel where it belongs.

Windows 10 Pro and Enterprise can defer updates. Yeah, it's pretty shitty, but it's not like every version of Windows 10 installs updates without your control.

 

 

 

5. Unnecessary security such as not being able to write to certain locations, confirmation dialogues, etc

 This has been the case since Vista. Not a new thing.

 

 

 

6. Windows defender cannot be removed

Also couldn't be removed in Windows 8. It's there to have some form of security software out of the box.

 

 

 

7. Windows defender services cannot be stopped

They are if you are running a third-party anti-virus.

 

Also, I want to reiterate two points.

 

1. There's a difference between fact and opinion, and,
2. We do not know what type of information Microsoft is collecting from your PC. For all we know it could just be things like diagnostics (e.g. how long it takes for Application X or Y to start up, application or driver crashes) or it could be literally everything you do on your PC, like what people seem to have jumped to the conclusion they're doing.

Edited August 5, 2015 by Daring

[Guest]

Well good thing the Control Panel still exists then, isn't it?

 

 

 

Um, what?

 

 

 

In your opinion. I find it quite useful.

 

 

 

Windows 10 Pro and Enterprise can defer updates. Yeah, it's pretty shitty, but it's not like every version of Windows 10 installs updates without your control.

 

 

 

 This has been the case since Vista. Not a new thing.

 

 

 

Also couldn't be removed in Windows 8. It's there to have some form of security software out of the box.

 

 

 

They are if you are running a third-party anti-virus.

 

Also, I want to reiterate two points.

 

1. There's a difference between fact and opinion, and,
2. We do not know what type of information Microsoft is collecting from your PC. For all we know it could just be things like diagnostics (e.g. how long it takes for Application X or Y to start up, application or driver crashes) or it could be literally everything you do on your PC, like what people seem to have jumped to the conclusion they're doing.

 

That's great that you can deal with all that, but I don't think you understand why I think these problems are a deal-breaker. You didn't even understand what I meant by default apps, and that tells me you lack the kind of experience with windows that I have.

 

1. There's a difference between fact and opinion, and,

Yeah, and? When did I ever indicate that there wasn't?

 

We do not know what type of information Microsoft is collecting from your PC. For all we know it could just be things like diagnostics (e.g. how long it takes for Application X or Y to start up, application or driver crashes) or it could be literally everything you do on your PC, like what people seem to have jumped to the conclusion they're doing.

There are options to turn that kind of data collection off. Even if data is being collected it is being done anonymously.

 

Also I don't think you understand what I mean by default apps. I mean the setting pertaining to what extension will open what application and the ability to change that easily.

 

 This has been the case since Vista. Not a new thing.

This is not the case with windows 7. Which is what makes 7 superior to both vista and 8. In fact as far I know vista never had this problem.

Edited August 5, 2015 by Guest

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That's great that you can deal with all that, but I don't think you understand why I think these problems are a deal-breaker. You didn't even understand what I meant by default apps, and that tells me you lack the kind of experience with windows that I have.

 Oh? How so?

 

Then again, I suppose that not everyone can be satisfied. Just look at the Sonic fandom, for example. Or the MLP fandom.

[Guest]

 Oh? How so?

 

Then again, I suppose that not everyone can be satisfied. Just look at the Sonic fandom, for example. Or the MLP fandom.

 

I just told you how so. What about my argument did you not understand?

 

Windows 10 is a pointless upgrade, it does nothing but make everything that was easy to do with 7 more inconvenient. Especially for power users like myself.

Edited August 5, 2015 by Guest

[Fleur-De-Lis 350]

Yeah, and? When did I ever indicate that there wasn't?

 

Also I don't think you understand what I mean by default apps. I mean the setting pertaining to what extension will open what application and the ability to change that easily.

 

Whoa! Simmer down buddy. chill out, relax. We are all friends here. Lets try to keep things friendly and non-confrontational.

 

We are simply trying to answer your concerns and spread the knowledge that we have learned through our own hands on experience with windows 10.

Edited August 5, 2015 by Fleur-De-Lis