Why can't Anti-Bronies give the show/fandom a chance?

[DaringDoNot 39]

That's the intention, but there's a big difference between intention and implication. When you hear insults outdoors, you may be able to ignore them; you can get them ejected or arrested for disorderly conduct (or hate speech in European countries if they spew slurs). Online, it's much more different. Insults spewed at you don't go away; when they're online, they're there forever.

 

When you tell the target "don't feed the troll," you're telling the victim that the victim is responsible for being trolled. That there's some level of etiquette in order to not be trolled. You're not silencing the troll. You're silencing yourself. To say, "don't feed the troll" is to tolerate the problem and blame the victim. Instead of giving power to the target, you're giving power to the aggressor. Trolls want an audience. Pretending the problem doesn't exist allows these assholes to spread their hate to other corners of the web.

 

Why did "don't feed the troll" work a long time ago? Because trolls were basically pests. They wanted to get a rise out of you. Ignoring it from all ends could work. You can't apply "don't feed the troll" universally today because trolling is much more vicious now. There's no limit to modern trolling; if there's a line not to cross, they'll cross it. You have cases of trolls harassing, stalking, threatening, swatting, and doxxing. All within the past five years alone. A lot of trolling today relies on making the target suffer to the point where the bullying is everywhere they go. Sometimes the cyberbullying gets so bad, they may attempt suicide just so they can get away from it.

 

 

Easier said than done. A lot of insults have inherent hate in them, such as ethnic slurs. You may not react to the troll personally, but that doesn't mean others will nor shouldn't there be any consequences for the person using the slur. Even if you don't react externally, it doesn't mean they won't hurt internally. Slurs attack people at the very core; they're made to hate. There should be absolutely zero tolerance for them.

 

Words can hurt and will hurt. Even worse, words can kill. The target is another human being with raw emotions like ourselves, and each limit is individual. Sometimes it takes just one vile comment to seal their fate. We've had bronies called a "retard," "autistic," or "faggot" by anti-bronies as a way to get a sick laugh. We've had trolls call for the SWAT team on other gamers, a troll tactic that can get the target and his/her family shot and killed. For example, look what happened with Megan Meier, a fourteen-year-old who committed suicide because a woman (under a troll account) told her on MySpace the world will be better off without her. Look what happened to a Canadian citizen from the Lizard Squad, who was arrested partially for swatting his targets. Look at all of Encyclopedia Dramatica's DeviantArt targets, nearly all of whom were harassed at some point or another. You can't ignore how powerful words can be because people get cyberbullied every single day.

 

 

This type of trolling only worked on the comedian trolls. All they want to do is waste your time. Trolls who are assholes don't give a damn what you do. They pick a target and want to make you fear for your own safety. Why? Because they either don't like you or want to fulfill their sick lust for making their victims suffer. This type of amusement can cost targets their lives. You can't apply "don't feed the troll" here: Asshole trolls don't care about that mantra. They'll do whatever it takes to break you down. These trolls are cyber terrorists; people are entitled to go online and not worry about their safety being compromised. One goal these cyber terrorists yearn for is to make them feel unsafe. That's not okay, and that's not something people should ignore and be silent about.

 

 

Silence from targets is a reaction because it's a behavior. The purpose of trolling is to control their target's behavior and the overall conversation. Silence is rewarding for a troll because it tells them that the target accepts the troll's presence. "Don't feed the troll" partially runs on the operant conditioning principle: reward or punishment depending on the behavior. It worked on little kids offline because the silence is deafening, especially from parents. But online, the environment is very different: We're not the trolls' parents, and many trolls aren't small kids. Plenty of trolls are adults and perhaps parents of kids. (Two of Fanfiction.net's most famous trolls were guardians of kids. One was a father of a newborn, the other an aunt; even though they don't visit the site anymore, both have massive cliques to this day.)

 

 

In other words, rather than call out the action of vandals who spraypainted hate symbols on park benches, merely get the community together and scrub it off. Ignore all the profane insults and obscene sharpie drawings and scratchiti on bathroom stalls and walls; paint it over instead.

 

Just because it's expected or tolerated doesn't mean it should be accepted. Trolling is a massive problem online and off. Sometimes, the trolling can drive their targets to suicide because they can't get away from it regardless of where they move to. (Amanda Todd's suicide is one of the most famous examples.) Trolling can't be accepted or tolerated, period. You may not speak to the troll personally, but it doesn't mean you should be passive about the problem. Blocking and reporting of trolls should be encouraged. If the trolling involves threats, out them like what former pitcher Curt Schilling did after Twitter trolls sent rape threats to his then-17-year-old daughter through him (and maybe report them to the police). But more needs to be done to solve this cyberbullying problem. Websites like Rotten Tomatoes disabled comments altogether because several critics received slurs and death threats. Others like The Huffington Post and ESPN force users to comment through Facebook to verify your identity and keep you accountable. But more needs to be done, yet there's no one-size-fit-all solution because the problem's so new.

 

 

 

• You're wrong about this. When people spit out stereotypical vitriol, then you risk getting people who don't know about bronies actually buying the lies and bullshit coming from them. You have other bronies, documentaries, editorials, and positive news reports defending bronies because they're common punching bags online and off. A lot of the "criticism" aimed at bronies — shoving ponies, "grossness," the "neckbeard nerd" stereotype, sexist allegations against the idea that men can't enjoy the product — is a bunch of nonsense.
• One of the basis of bigotry is generalizing/stereotyping. Often, online stereotypes bleed into everyday life. Not all that happens online remains confined there. A lot of fandoms and fans themselves are stereotyped and mocked just because they like a product. Bronies are one such example. I care because stereotyping and slurs are fucking disgusting.

When you post an opinion that's poor in quality, fallacious, or reliant on stereotypes, then you're not going to get a free pass, whether it's from me or somebody else. I called you out because the basis of your opinion about bronies having a victim complex was a strawman, and I don't let that slide.

 

 

You're still trying to excuse the massive stereotype that I called you out earlier for. Many bronies are furries and vice-versa, but they're not the same. It's not okay to stereotype anyone in any fandom, period.

 

 

The rest of your opinion (along with your OP) died the second you posted this line. Yes, people have a right to not like this show, and any brony who badly behaves to non-bronies should be called out. But you don't help your cause by using "butthurt," an ad hominem with sexist and homophobic implications.

Meh, it's an internet term, seen a lot on Urban Dictionary and Youtube. Shoulda known there was something bad behind it, that website is full of the most vulgar slang imaginable. Thanks for letting me know the truth behind that word, I'll keep it out of my posts. Edited August 12, 2015 by DaringDoNot

[Commissar Alexer 763]

 

 

You're still trying to excuse the massive stereotype that I called you out earlier for. Many bronies are furries and vice-versa, but they're not the same. It's not okay to stereotype anyone in any fandom, period.

Isn't the fandom doing the same to anti-bronies?

[Envy 6,169]

Honestly? Not even close. People are far more likely to reject a fandom when their experience with it is fans trying to shove the subject of interest down their throat, normal people couldn't give a shit less about what you get off too. While I'm on that point, enjoying graphic or sexually explicit content produced by your fandom doesn't make you "gross", being painfully open about it does.

 

This may be true of those who frequent internet websites such as forums, which is primarily where Bronies "proselytize". I'm speaking more of the general populace, such as parents who have children who watch the show and enjoy the toys. That group couldn't care less about Bronies being overt in their fanaticism online... In fact, likely their only exposure to the existence of such a fandom might be... When their child accidentally runs into the gross stuff that Bronies have failed to properly tag.

 

I've seen a lot of MLP stuff I never wanted to see, with safe-search on. I know what I'm doing when I search, I've been using the internet a whole lot for over a decade. When I run into this stuff, you know there's a problem. And it's also true that I've seen a lot more gross MLP stuff than I have any other series I like...

[SynBassilicious Pony 322]

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Edited January 30, 2023 by SynBassilicious Pony

[FluffyGoat13 375]

I never considered an anti-brony but I was once your stereotypical, run of the mill hater so I can speak from a bit of experience here.

Most people don't like change and often a scared by the concept of something they consider out of the ordinary, this can lead to the more stubborn hating something because they don't understand it. This is made worse when they see this unusual thing pop up all over their favourite sites c​​hanging t​heir favourite sites. They don't like that. Now for a bit of history. Us bronies originated from probably one of the most constant (and aggressive) sites on the web: 4Chan. "But 4chan is chaotic and non-sensical!" I hear you cry, that is true, but it's always been the same chaos, a predictable chaos of NSFW, NSFL, racist, sexist, homophobic, retarded, memetic non-sense. Step back into late 2010 to early 2011: the Cartoon/animation board was having an average day when suddenly someone created a thread about his review on my little pony. And so it began, more and more people on the animation board began watching mlp, but at this point they didn't have a name, not until they hit /b/. Once pony threads hit /b/ shit started. Pony threads appeared on pretty much every board on 4chan and the name for members of /b/ (/b/ro) merged with pony, creating brony. 4chan got split in two (for the second time) between bronies and those who found the appearance of cute multi-coloured ponies annoying. Thus began the 4chan pony war, where the haters and anti-bronies created gore and porn images of ponies to antagonise the bronies, instead they were met with more ponies and they accidentally created cloppers. This flame war got so intense that the moderators on 4chan had to implement an outright ban on all pony related material (they didn't want a repeat of 2009's Boxxy incident), causing bronies to have to make their own sites to share their love for mlp and causing bronies to become a thing outside of 4chan. Where was I during this? I was a hater, unfortunately.  After the pony ban I completely forgot about mlp until I found out some of my friends were bronies, who then subsequently inducted me into the herd. So in short anti-bronies won't give the show a chance due to them being unintentionally antagonised by the appearance of ponies everywhere.

 

 

Because a lot of the are "anti brony" just because they find it funny to get over the top reactions out of some of us. To be fair some of them are pretty funny.

 

Yeah, that is true. A lot of bronies reactions are funny.

[MoltenKitten 341]

I honestly can't say I blame them

 

For starters the whole brony thing came around because of trolls and then people actually liked it afterward.

 

Then there are the "art" of a kids cartoon, sure this has happened to other cartoons but these aren't even human.

 

Next we have the best show ever types, they need to accept that 1) that is entirely subjective to opinion and 2) chances are it probably isn't.

 

And finally the easily baited types, if it is easy for you to get trolled you will get trolled.

[Voldash 2]

I feel that everyone has his/her likes and dislikes, if they don't want to give it a try we don't force it on them

[Dark Qiviut 22,439]

Isn't the fandom doing the same to anti-bronies?

There's a very big difference. To be an anti-brony is to hate, bash, or stereotype bronies. That kind of attitude is not okay and shouldn't be tolerated at all.

 

In fact, likely their only exposure to the existence of such a fandom might be... When their child accidentally runs into the gross stuff that Bronies have failed to properly tag.

That's still a lousy reason to dislike bronies or the fandom. For one, children under the age of thirteen should not be allowed to go online unless it's a place where they allow kids to go to. And even then, parents should always supervise their kids and filter websites. I still remember when one idiot mom allowed her four-year-old daughter to roam online unsupervised, only to find R34. The mom scapegoated the bronies when the fault is purely on the mom. Secondly, there is art that's properly tagged (i.e., from Derpibooru), yet still escape into the non-explicit section. Rare, but it happens. That's nothing to do with bronies and more to do with Google. If you find them leaked onto the non-explicit section, report the image to Google to have it filtered.

 

Simply put, if you let your kid wander around online, and you're concerned about what kids see, that makes you, the parent, the problem, not the fans who churn "gross" imagery. The parent should find a solution, not scapegoat bronies for her own failure.

 

I've seen a lot of MLP stuff I never wanted to see, with safe-search on.

Finding NSFW/R34/whatever else MLP art is ridiculously easy. Too easy.

Equestria-Faily did something like that (and made a Tumblr post about brony porn myths, which I can't link here), and I just Googled various MLP content. To be blunt, it's a really big myth. I searched a few things on Google (Applejack, Twilight Sparkle, MLP, Sunset Shimmer). Only one image out of several hundred images were explicit. About three were borderline.

 

@, the fact that you have to use sarcasm to get your point across does nothing except make your opinion feel very insincere and enforce your critics'.

Edited August 12, 2015 by Dark Qiviut

[Guest]

 

 

There's a very big difference. To be an anti-brony is to hate, bash, or stereotype bronies. That kind of attitude is not okay and shouldn't be tolerated at all.

 

 

Are you sure about that? I know a few self proclaimed anti-bronies that do not do that. So right now you're stereotyping.

 

 

 

That's still a lousy reason to dislike bronies or the fandom.

 

 

I disagree. I would be pretty mad at a group of people who make porn of a children's cartoon that my kid was exposed to. I think it's very well justified.

 

 

 

For one, children under the age of thirteen should not be allowed to go online unless it's a place where they allow kids to go to.

 

Victim blaming? Blame the parents? Do you have kids yourself?

 

 

 

And even then, parents should always supervise their kids and filter websites.

 

Yup blame the parents. Filters do not catch everything, and you literally can not always supervise your kids 24/7.

 

 

 

I still remember when one idiot mom allowed her four-year-old daughter to roam online unsupervised, only to find R34. The mom scapegoated the bronies when the fault is purely on the mom.

 

That is not true at all. Her mom clearly thought it would be safe for her kid to be looking up MLP stuff considering the show is for kids. However that isn't what she found. You're blaming the victim again.

 

 

 

Secondly, there is art that's properly tagged (i.e., from Derpibooru), yet still escape into the non-explicit section. Rare, but it happens. That's nothing to do with bronies and more to do with Google.

 

So the art that is not tagged properly is no one's fault? And the art that escapes is google's fault?

 

 

 

If you find them leaked onto the non-explicit section, report the image to Google to have it filtered.

 

Have Google take care of it?

 

 

 

Simply put, if you let your kid wander around online, and you're concerned about what kids see, that makes you, the parent, the problem, not the fans who churn "gross" imagery. The parent should find a solution, not scapegoat bronies for her own failure.

 

Victim blaming.

 

 

 

So let me make sure I get this right:

 

It's the kid's fault for finding it on accident?

It's the parent's fault for not supervising well enough?

It's Google's fault for letting it slip through?

It's the parent's failure?

It's the kid's failure?

It's Google's failure?

 

 

So none of the blame falls upon the people pumping out this porn faster than Sonic can crap out turbo turds? It's all LITERALLY everyone else's fault? Bronies should take none of the blame? Sorry, but no dice. Those porn artists are just as much at fault as everyone else. They know what they are making is for a show whose demographic is young, they know the risk they take when they make it. They have to accept the responsibility when this kind of thing happens.

 

When you defend all bronies, even the ones causing the problems it looks more like you just don't want to admit there ARE bad seeds in the brony fandom at all. Not that you want to eliminate negative stereotypes, you just don't want to admit that anyone in the brony fandom can do any wrong.

 

You just blamed the victims, and stereotyped the oppression.

 

Poor argument, is poor.

[Moved to Elsewhere 11,331]

Eh, maybe it's due to a negative experience with some of the bad apples in the fandom.

 

Over the years, I've grown to not give a crap of what others have to say about my interests. I mostly see them as dicks who aren't worth my time. I could probably hang out with an anti-brony, as long as they are accepting of my interests. There are stuff in the fandom that even bother me, like the people who derail conversations with MLP talk in unrelated topics. No, not the ones that attack people for the crime of a having a pony avatar, I mean the people who will actually spam MLP everywhere with the "Join the herd" mentality. It's very cringe worthy. I usually don't watch videos that rant on bronies because I don't give a crap about it. They usually stick to their sanctions of the internet. I really don't think it's good to get all angry over an opposing opinion. I mean, you can criticize their points if you feel they're faulty, but don't rage at them. 

 

There are those hate groups for MLP which I typically think are troll groups. I'm not angry that they made it, I'm more intrigued on how much time they got on their hands to make a group dedicated on hating something, instead of focusing on what they like. 

 

I have seen some bronies that just honestly get easily triggered by anything. They see that someone mentions not liking bronies, then suddenly there's a raging reaction out of a person. I see this all the time whenever anything gets insulted and I'm like, "Well why did you click on the video or post then? Scrolling past it is not that hard you know.

 

What I'm saying it, don't focus on what you hate or people not liking what you like. Just enjoy what you like.

[Dark Qiviut 22,439]

Are you sure about that? I know a few self proclaimed anti-bronies that do not do that. So right now you're stereotyping.

Wrong here. Someone who doesn't like FIM, yet respects the fandom, is a non-brony. Anti-bronies are people who hate, bash, or stereotype the fandom. If those so-called "anti-bronies" don't do any of the stuff, then they're non-bronies. Anti-bronies rely on hate, non-bronies don't.

 

I disagree. I would be pretty mad at a group of people who make porn of a children's cartoon that my kid was exposed to. I think it's very well justified.

To say it's justified to hate bronies based on R34 is to say other fans should be hated for porn. People have made adult art of cartoons appropriate for kids dating back to the early 20th century. This isn't new, and it makes no sense for people to make a fuss about clop when they don't for others. Like I said, there's nothing inherently bad or gross about people who draw or write porn, whether it's bronies, furries, Sonic fans, anime fans, or whatever. Don't be mad at them for liking porn. Be mad at your search engines for not filtering it.

 

(Of course, people spamming porn just to troll is a different story, like what happened on here by users who wanted to get themselves banned a few years ago; that is not cool!)

 

Victim blaming? Blame the parents?

Kids don't get, won't be, and shouldn't be blamed for their parents' irresponsibility for filtering content. Kids are kids and don't know any better. Any responsible parent should always monitor the sites before their kids visit. Kids, especially young minors, should only go to websites with very strict, corporate moderation where it's consistently safe for work. Post Cereal and 4Kids were two such examples. Google and Bing aren't. Just because I don't have kids doesn't mean I can't call out for their guardians' ineptitude.

 

That is not true at all. Her mom clearly thought it would be safe for her kid to be looking up MLP stuff considering the show is for kids. However that isn't what she found. You're blaming the victim again.

You're objectively wrong here. The mom left her four-year-old daughter to wander around the Internet alone. You never leave your kids to explore the Internet, especially a toddler, alone. That's strike one against her. Her daughter found naughty FIM content without her mother by her side. The Internet is not a safe place to be in general. Strike two. But rather than taking responsibility for her own irresponsibility, she scapegoated the bronies as a bunch of porn-loving freaks and supported a Tumblr group known to bash them. Strike three, sit in the dugout.

 

"Victim-blaming"? You're not using it correctly. If I were to blame the victim, I would be blaming the child. The kid was four! She's nowhere close to being at fault. Like I wrote before:

The mom scapegoated the bronies when the fault is purely on the mom.

The mom is the only one responsible for the mess her child got in, period. What were the mom's search-engine settings? Was safe search on? Was it off? Did the kid tinker with it? How did the kid locate it? What was the content that the child even found, anyway? How does she define porn, anyway? Was it something related to Cupcakes? Maybe something saucy (which may or may not ever get filtered by Google or YouTube because it's very borderline)? Were the characters in a same-sex relationship (which won't be filtered lest it's NSFW)? The mom's content is weak and vague. There are way too many open ends for anyone to honestly believe the bronies are at fault here.

 

More importantly, it's very bad parenting to believe that because the professional content is appropriate for kids, they shouldn't assume something adult about these products is out there. Always apply a worst-case scenario.

 

So the art that is not tagged properly is no one's fault? And the art that escapes is google's fault?

I would say "yes." Even if the art isn't properly tagged in places like Tumblr, Google is capable of understanding what content is safe for work or not. Even if the art is tagged properly, it can still slip through the cracks like rainwater. If something slips by, flag the image to the search-engine website to have it filtered. SafeSearch Wrap Up was designed to filter content that slipped by for a reason.

 

Victim blaming.

To paraphrase a YT meme, you keep using it, but you're not using it correctly.

 

So none of the blame falls upon the people pumping out this porn faster than Sonic can crap out turbo turds?

Absolutely it's not their fault. You can't blame a fandom for something that:

1. It's out of their control.
2. The mom would've been able to avoid if she was damn responsible.
3. Was pure hearsay.

Kids are curious creatures. If you try to make them avoid it, they will try to find the content that their guardians are doing their best to shield. You're not always going to shield every bit of R34, and you can't control everything everyone else does. But parents can take control of their own situation, one of them being the supervisor of their kid's account and exploring the areas they wish to go to thoroughly before letting them on. If they find R34, report the content. If the kid see it and is bothered by it, talk about it, let them know that just because older fans post adult content doesn't mean they're problematic nor do they show no respect for the franchise. Kids aren't stupid.

 

When you defend all bronies, even the ones causing the problems it looks more like you just don't want to admit there ARE bad seeds in the brony fandom at all. Not that you want to eliminate negative stereotypes, you just don't want to admit that anyone in the brony fandom can do any wrong.

Your whole rebuttal died the very second you posted your transparent strawman. There are bad bronies, and they should be called out for their bad behavior. The problem here is you claim that kids seeing adult content is a good reason to hate bronies, the fandom itself, and paint a broad brush. It's not. You can dislike how some bronies behave, but it's ridiculous to use their behavior as a reason to bash or stereotype a fandom. Bronies who like adult content aren't gross, unappreciative of the show, or demented. There's nothing with the content or the bronies who love it, post it, or talk about it (as long as it's in the appropriate areas of the website). Also, a lot of bronies who like and post adult content are women; you can argue there as many women bronies who love FIM R34 as men. The bronies who love R34 are just as much a brony as those who don't. Anyone who thinks it's okay to call bronies who like "gross" content a problem or think kids seeing "gross" content makes bronies a problem is lying.

Edited August 13, 2015 by Dark Qiviut

[Guest]

 

 

Wrong here. Someone who doesn't like FIM, yet respects the fandom, is a non-brony. Anti-bronies are people who hate, bash, or stereotype the fandom. If those so-called "anti-bronies" don't do any of the stuff, then they're non-bronies. Anti-bronies rely on hate, non-bronies don't.

 

Yet they call themselves anti-bronies. So you're suggesting that you are the master of titles and can decide when people get a title and when they do not?

 

 

 

Don't be mad at them for liking porn. Be mad at your search engines for not filtering it.

 

Blame the search engines?

 

 

 

Kids don't get, won't be, and shouldn't be blamed for their parents' irresponsibility for filtering content.

 

Way to shame the parents. I am going to go on a wager here and say you don't have kids. It's nearly impossible to watch your kids every second of every day. You are shaming the parents for actions which are not their fault.

 

 

 

Kids are kids and don't know any better. Any responsible parent should always monitor the sites before their kids visit. Kids, especially young minors, should only go to websites with very strict, corporate moderation where it's consistently safe for work. Post Cereal and 4Kids were two such examples. Google and Bing aren't. Just because I don't have kids doesn't mean I can't call out for their guardians' ineptitude.

 

Ah you answered my question. So you with no experience monitoring children are going to tell us all how parents should be monitoring their children? Yeah, as I said: you can not control 100% what you kids do. It's impossible in this day and age. Hell, kids have internet at the school now, they have internet at the library, they have internet on their game consoles, on their phones on everything. Even if you set up parental controls, how are you going to stop them from seeing stuff at a friend's house? Or the library? Or at school?

 

Do you see the problem with blaming the parents?

 

 

 

You're objectively wrong here. The mom left her four-year-old daughter to wander around the Internet alone. You never leave your kids to explore the Internet, especially a toddler, alone. That's strike one against her. Her daughter found naughty FIM content without her mother by her side. The Internet is not a safe place to be in general. Strike two. But rather than taking responsibility for her own irresponsibility, she scapegoated the bronies as a bunch of porn-loving freaks and supported a Tumblr group known to bash them. Strike three, sit in the dugout.

 

You are assuming an awful lot. How do we know that the child was completely unsupervised or that safe search filters were not on? I'm sorry but your "strikes" are not valid. You're blaming the victim, which is the mother. When your kid is traumatized, you suffer too.

 

I like how you blame everyone but the people making the porn. You have never considered that there is a possibility that the porn was a place where it was never meant to be?

 

 

 

The mom is the only one responsible for the mess her child got in, period. What were the mom's search-engine settings? Was safe search on? Was it off? Did the kid tinker with it? How did the kid locate it? What was the content that the child even found, anyway? How does she define porn, anyway? Was it something related to Cupcakes? Maybe something saucy (which may or may not ever get filtered by Google or YouTube because it's very borderline)? Were the characters in a same-sex relationship (which won't be filtered lest it's NSFW)? The mom's content is weak and vague. There are way too many open ends for anyone to honestly believe the bronies are at fault here.

 

You just admitted that you didn't know here safe search settings, where the adult content was found, or anything like that. So is it not possible that the child found the content somewhere where it should not have been? You're quick to say it was her fault when you just admitted you don't know. I find it interesting that the only people you're not  blaming are the people who actually made the content. Who are at fault just as much as everyone else. How do we know that these artists didn't tag things properly?

 

 

 

I would say "yes." Even if the art isn't properly tagged in places like Tumblr, Google is capable of understanding what content is safe for work or not. Even if the art is tagged properly, it can still slip through the cracks like rainwater. If something slips by, flag the image to the search-engine website to have it filtered. SafeSearch Wrap Up was designed to filter content that slipped by for a reason.

 

So let me get this right:

 

If some porn artists do not tag their content correctly, it's up to a search engine which has billions of article to filter on a daily basis to catch it and if it slips through the cracks it's their fault?

 

Yeah no.

 

 

 

To paraphrase a YT meme, you keep using it, but you're not using it correctly.

 

I am absolutely using it correctly. You are blaming the mother. The mother's child was traumatized. She is a victim. You have your kid witness some messed up stuff and say it doesn't affect you.

 

 

 

Absolutely it's not their fault. You can't blame a fandom for something that:

 

I did not blame the fandom, I said there is a possibility that the individuals making the porn may be partially to blame.

 

 

 

It's out of their control. The mom would've been able to avoid if she was damn responsible. Was pure hearsay.

 

1. Not necessarily. They can control how they tag things.

2. That's blaming the victim again, and assuming it was the mother's fault is hearsay.

3. Yet you are insistent that it's the mother's fault despite that being hearsay.

 

 

 

Your whole rebuttal died the very second you posted your transparent strawman. There are bad bronies, and they should be called out for their bad behavior. The problem here is you claim that kids seeing adult content is a good reason to hate bronies, the fandom itself, and paint a broad brush.

 

When did I say that? I said nothing of the sort. I stated that it is not good for the fandom as a whole to defend even those engaging in behavior that is not very ideal.

 

 

 

You can dislike how some bronies behave, but it's ridiculous to use their behavior as a reason to bash or stereotype a fandom.

 

I agree, thus why I am not doing it. I am using the behavior of individuals to state how said behavior should cease.

 

 

The problem I am having DQ is your attitude. You are so quick to defend bronies instead of trying to minimize incidents like this. You are quick to blame the mother, to blame Google, to blame everyone except bronies. I am not suggesting that all bronies are bad, but there are bronies making this artwork that are not tagging it correctly and putting it in places where it does not belong. Those individuals should be dealt with and not be given a free pass. When something like this happens and your first reaction is "wow what an irresponsible mother" YOU are encouraging negative stereotypes of bronies because you, a brony are quick to defend the brony party involved instead of trying to prevent problems like this from happening.

 

How about instead of blaming the mother and insisting it was everyone's faults but the bronies you advocate people keeping their porn tagged properly and in the correct place and advocate issuing an apology to this parent whom had their child exposed to something they should not have been exposed to. When you quickly jump to accusing her of being the problem you aren't exactly giving a very positive image of bronies to anyone. I remember a time when something like this would happen the fandom would meet this person with understanding, and apologize for what has happened to them and try to make sure they made things right. Instead of just screaming that it's their fault and complaining afterwards that people have a negative opinion of bronies.

 

You want to know why people have a negative opinion of bronies? Because when stuff like this happens, bronies like you defend it and turn around and blame everyone but other bronies for the problem.

[Fluster 87]

They probably initially think it's weird we all like the show, then pride gets the better of them and they can never let us prove them wrong.

Otherwise they'd be weird like us.

They think I'm weird, well I think they're weird! 

[SynBassilicious Pony 322]

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Edited January 30, 2023 by SynBassilicious Pony

[Guest]

There are some places where R34 pony art is posted where it doesn't belong, whether it be by the original artists or by random people posting it around.

 

On Skype, some brony posted R34 images in a group where kids saw it, including a young girl.  They probably got traumatized knowing there are those who just shove NSFW pony art wherever they feel like it, without giving a single heck or thought about who sees it.  Maybe that person didn't know there were kids in the group, but it's still incredibly irresponsible and it wasn't even a NSFW group.  :okiedokielokie:

And those people should hold said person accountable. Just adopting the mentality of instantly blaming the ones who complain is what leads to people disliking bronies further. It gives the impression that you condone those actions and lack any kind of compassion or understanding like DQ is suggesting. When your mentality is just "it's their fault because reason X" instead of "I am sorry this happened, and while there are bad people within the fandom, we don't condone their actions." When you instantly resort to passing the blame, you're making it look like bronies advocate the actions of those doing it.

[CookieK 74]

@@Dark Qiviut,  So if anyone points out the bad people in well anything that is bad to you?! People like you is why I stopped calling myself a brony no its  not me its people like you who can't come to terms that not everyone in this fandom is a nice person. There are some VERY VERY bad people in this fandom .   You want people to ignore those people..I just I quit just..can't stand bronies like this anymore   its impossible to try to get sense in their head because they will just ignore it regardless. Try to talk about one bad  brony and they'll think your talking about them and  attack and send you death threats.  ....I'm done I'm done with this entire fandom I'll still watch the shows but I just had way too many bad experiences with this fandom.  I have done nothing to you and yet all you did was criticize me and point out all my faults in what I said even when I was apologizing to you...I can't believe I thought this fandom could change.

[Sobana 100]

I think a lot of anti-bronies come from the frame of mind that people should only be interested things that are specifically catered to them. That society should dictate what each person should like at each stage of their life and if they deviate from that designed path then something is wrong with them. From there they try to justify why it is wrong for someone to step outside of the circle. Which is why people are quick to jump on bad behavior, like porn for instance, as the norm for the fandom.

[ARagY 1,152]

It seems like all they can focus on is the bad stuff, like cloppers and whatnot, and they don't know about the GOOD side of the fandom, which is the majority of the people on this forum. It's not that they don't know about the good side, it's just they don't BELIEVE there is one. They also can't seem to get past the fact that it's a kids show. Yeah so? There are plenty of other kids shows that have a teen/adult fanbase, such as Pokemon, Digimon, Ben 10, Steven Universe, and Adventure Time. They jump right to conclusions and say we're "autistic" and the male fans are "man children". I wish some of them would watch just one episode, before making assumptions. I have met some people who watched it and genuinely didn't like the show, that's alright, it's not everybody's ( or everyponys) cup of tea. You don't have to be jerks about it though. So why does this happen so often?

Since when were cloppers a bad thing? Why are we talking about objective GOOD/BAD of the fandom here?

And anyway, it's because they're trying to get a reaction or because they just don't think grown men should watch a show made for "girls". Whatever the case, just ignore them. Their opinions are just that, opinions. And most of the time its not even their true opinion they give you, they just say it to rile you up and get you to get upset, which then causes them great glee. 

[Commissar Alexer 763]

 

 

To be an anti-brony is to hate, bash, or stereotype bronies.

Because bronies themselves aren't hating, bashing or stereotyping each other....

[SynBassilicious Pony 322]

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Edited January 30, 2023 by SynBassilicious Pony

[ARagY 1,152]

Almost everyone I've seen or talked to on non-pony sites seem to agree that "cloppers" are mentally unstable or whatever. It's funny just how much they are frowned upon, even by those who are not "anti-brony", so maybe they are somewhat of a bad thing?

My country is anti-lbgt. Are they bad? It's all perspective. Yes, clop makes us all look odd, but no, it's not a mental disorder. It's easy to say this as someone not attracted to other species. It's super easy. But give it more thought than what you personally like and you will realise it's not much different than the rest of stuff humans do.

Edited August 15, 2015 by ARagY

[Caliboom 219]

People always judge a fandom when they see a small part of it. That's the problem.

[ManaMinori 4,145]

Because some stupid jackhole invented gender roles and stereotypes, and people are too ignorant and bull-headed to get out of their closeminded mindsets to accept tha MLPFIM is different from its past generations

[Nerdy Luigi 2,065]

Three things:

 

1. The fandom gets hurt a little too easily.

2. They're dumb.

3. They judge the show based on what it seems like to them. (Which is a complete 100% misperception).

[SugarCubeCake 20]

Let the Anti-bronies be…

Don't let their opinions get the best of ya

 

For me, well…

We Bronies are mature to understand/appreciate MLP

And for the Anti-Bronies well…

They're maturely immature to try rekt a bronies' feelings for MLP

I mean c'mon leave us alone will ya!