Is "Nightmare Night" Cruel?

[Not Yellow Diamond 925]

Wow, people are clearly missing my point. Its not THAT it exists, its WHY it was made in the first place. Who the buck thought it would be a good idea to make a holiday out of one of the darkest few minutes of Celestia and Luna's life. Celestia probably didn't say anything because she didn't want to be a tyrant. And im sorry, Pinkie Pie is smart, and should have realized that her actions were distressing Luna. 

 

You missed my entire point. There is none. It's a kids show. No one thinks about how this effects the character or the origins, you wont get a clear explanation because I'm willing to be it was never made. 

 

Think of it this way, the target of the audience won't care enough or be bright enough to think of theory upon theory or chain reactions of how she feels being vilified. And no one said she was. All I'm saying is... to be rather blunt: There doesn't have to be a reason and there likely wasn't one. It's a child's TV show, they write to entertain a child audience. There is no complex reason as to why it was ever made. It just happens to have been made so kids have something more they can relate to.

 

You can't act like they thought all this out. There isn't reason to nor is there time, coming from someone who has had to keep up with deadlines of writing a script. You don't need origin stories when no one will ever question why.

 

If you're looking for an objective answer, there it is ^ Not getting any better than that. There are always head canons but they are majorly opinionated. So, not much else I can say. 

Edited October 2, 2015 by Tacoma

[ConcorDisparate 385]

Wow, people are clearly missing my point. Its not THAT it exists, its WHY it was made in the first place. Who the buck thought it would be a good idea to make a holiday out of one of the darkest few minutes of Celestia and Luna's life. Celestia probably didn't say anything because she didn't want to be a tyrant.

 

I'm sorry, but.. I don't know what to say, I don't understand how you would come to such a conclusion. There isn't someone that came and was like "Eh, we'd better make a feast out of this." People saw Nightmare moon as a tyrant when she lost her senses, she was banned to the moon, people were happy, end of story.

 

Again, don't mix up personnal experience with cartoon stuff, you're just hurting yourself by trying to bend the truth in order to suit your idea.

 

 

 

And im sorry, Pinkie Pie is smart, and should have realized that her actions were distressing Luna.

She pretty much spent the all time running from her, how is she supposed to be the one seeing luna hurt by her actions ? She made a mistake and wasn't realizing it. This isn't about being smart or anything.

This isn't a big world with trolls everywhere ready to have fun over her distress. Get over it, don't obsess yourself with the past. Please.

Edited October 2, 2015 by ConcorDisparate

[Adamgreen 1,130]

I think the whole reason nightmare night exist is that Luna could scare everyone like Halloween.

[AccountNoLongerUsed 741]

@@ConcorDisparate, Um, how could have Nightmare Moon be a tyrant, when she was defeated before she even did anything? She wasnt there long enough to actually make any impact.

I'm sorry, I just empathize a lot, and some bad things have happened to me recently. Im sorry  

[ConcorDisparate 385]

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It's okay, I understand how you would feel, but the best way to feel better isn't to argue about an MLP episode . Everyone is very nice and friendly here, and we would gladly help you to feel better. You're probably trying to prove she felt bad so that people would also feel bad if that were you, but everyone will fight to be right about this story, and you won't get what you expected if you hide behind this debate  .

 

Since there is no Truth, but only ideas or opinions (it's a fictional work, no one can truly claim to be right), you can see each episode in your own way and, perhaps, an happier one. Try to focus on the best moments, to see things in a happier way, it will feel better than bringing sadness to such a lovely show .

[AccountNoLongerUsed 741]

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It's okay, I understand how you would feel, but the best way to feel better isn't to argue about an MLP episode . Everyone is very nice and friendly here, and we would gladly help you to feel better. You're probably trying to prove she felt bad so that people would also feel bad if that were you, but everyone will fight to be right about this story, and you won't get what you expected if you hide behind this debate  .

 

Since there is no Truth, but only ideas or opinions (it's a fictional work, no one can truly claim to be right), you can see each episode in your own way and, perhaps, an happier one. Try to focus on the best moments, to see things in a happier way, it will feel better than bringing sadness to such a lovely show .

Of course, i mean, Im happy Luna learned to cope with it and turned it into a happy time for her, but I still can't help but feel sad when she was being hurt.

 

Frankly, she had every right to cancel Nightmare Night, and was fully justified when she did, however briefly. No matter how powerful Luna seems, she is still at her core a very hurt individual with problems of self hatred and other things. Underneath that powerful Canterlot voice is a pony with very low self esteem.

[El Duderino 881]

Halloween at its roots historically is about honoring the dead. If you look objectively (without religious bias) at Halloween, there is nothing inherantly wrong with it.  However, how halloween is portrayed today, it defames history, peoples, and cultures. Witches are one of the most popular costumes, and this specific supernatural creature came out of history where many people where killed over simple, stupid things (this is a gross simplification; just look up the history on witches). Native Americans, Romani, and political topics revolving around peoples and cultures are offensive no matter how "benign" it seems, (about as benign as calling your school the "fighting Indians"). That's flanderizing on real people and cultures. Not to mention the offensiveness of lewd costumes that are available for women and girls...now there's a real problem......and all of this is attributed to the culture we have today (which is the bigger problem)

 

With that said, Halloween's history is similar to how Luna\Nightmare moon's history played out. Think about it, no one today knows the history of halloween unless they do extra research. No pony but Twilight Sparkle knew who Nightmare Moon even was in the first two episodes of the show. If all the ponies know are legends and lore, then you get a celebration similar to how Halloween evolved in the early to mid 20th century to what we have today. That is not flanderization, that is legend and history evolving with time. With how Luna is, and how much guilt she harbors towards herself, I am sure she is happy that Nightmare Night exists because it seperates her form the monster she was in the public's eye. And as far as the show has presented, the general population doesn't even know she WAS Nightmare Moon. .

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Halloween also have to do with the fall harvest? 

[Gestum 2,493]

 Nightmare night is celebrated because people saw Nightmare Moon as a villain. After all she did want to bring eternal night which would kill all of the crops and as a result everyone would die from starvation. Plus she fought against a beloved godlike ruler. So when she was sent to the moon people celebrated it. 

[deadprofile 1,123]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Halloween also have to do with the fall harvest? 

 

It depends on what era of halloween you are talking about (and where). I can answer yes and no (more yes than no due to the religious conotations).... Here's a good link that explains it pretty well http://edsitement.neh.gov/october-2010-history-and-origins-halloween-and-day-dead-celebrations

Edited October 2, 2015 by Treble Bolt

[chirox the pony 1,336]

Well they didn't mention her in the Halloween episode for this year so maybe they're over it.