Whats wrong with Celestia?

[green 331]

I get it. She's done some questionable things. But why?

 

I feel like Celestia is being hated on more than she deserves. I know she does wierd stuff, The Crystal Empire is a prime example, but she also has shown compassion to her subjects. All these memes going around saying She's a tyrant feels pretty harsh. She locked horns with Chrysalis so is she a tyrant there?

 

I guess the question Im asking is why the writers give the most important pony two sides to her personality. Do they intentionally do this?

 

Id like to hear your thoughts.

[Kyoshi Frost Wolf 41,803]

Most of this stuff is just the fandom doing its thing, making up funny and sometimes odd aspects for characters that we may not know much about. Celestia is a pretty mysterious character and has had barely any screen time lately, so it makes sense that the fandom would randomly fill in the blanks and the tyrant thing was born from that. XD I don't bother with any of that myself though. 

 

Celestia seems kinda cool, but she doesn't say a whole lot. She is really...mysterious. 

[Jinxie Umbra 149]

Well she's done some pretty questionable things. She has good intentions, of course. But the road to hell is paved with good intentions...

[Chara 1,565]

For me Celestia is more of a God and not a normal pony and that is what makes her not that relate-able. That is MY problem with Celestia.

[Mesme Rize 15,687]

  On 2015-10-27 at 1:40 AM, Flame Flare said:

I get it. She's done some questionable things. But why?

 

I feel like Celestia is being hated on more than she deserves. I know she does wierd stuff, The Crystal Empire is a prime example, but she also has shown compassion to her subjects. All these memes going around saying She's a tyrant feels pretty harsh. She locked horns with Chrysalis so is she a tyrant there?

 

I guess the question Im asking is why the writers give the most important pony two sides to her personality. Do they intentionally do this?

 

Id like to hear your thoughts.

 

The Tyrant thing comes out of nowhere. Yeah, we can argue about a few questionable things, but every great ruler of human history did these and some of them are still praised throughout human history.

 

Celestia is the ruler Equestria needs and that Equestria deserves. (Old Dark Knight reference FTW)

[Silver Stream. 708]

  On 2015-10-27 at 1:46 AM, Zach said:

For me Celestia is more of a God and not a normal pony and that is what makes her not that relate-able. That is MY problem with Celestia.

 

While I agree, she is presented to be more of a God (well she actually is one if you think about it), I wouldn't hold this against her. She can be dense at times, but she's a very kind ruler for the kingdom. She never acts superior over the other and does well with creating light hearted conversations to other ponies as if she was a normal pony herself. I don't think was created to be as relateable as the others.....she was created to be more like a mother figure to the Kingdom

[Mesme Rize 15,687]

  On 2015-10-27 at 1:46 AM, Zach said:

For me Celestia is more of a God and not a normal pony and that is what makes her not that relate-able. That is MY problem with Celestia.

 

Gods are almighty. Gods wouldn't get their butt kicked by Chrysalis or Tirek, or would have problems with the smooze.

 

Celestia is very vunerable.

[green 331]

  On 2015-10-27 at 1:48 AM, Hypnosparkle said:

The Tyrant thing comes out of nowhere. Yeah, we can argue about a few questionable things, but every great ruler of human history did these and some of them are still praised throughout human history.

 

Celestia is the ruler Equestria needs and that Equestria deserves. (Old Dark Knight reference FTW)

True. But do you remember Make New Friends But Keep Discord? Yeah, she found "fun" in that incident.

[Mesme Rize 15,687]

  On 2015-10-27 at 1:51 AM, Flame Flare said:

True. But do you remember Make New Friends But Keep Discord? Yeah, she found "fun" in that incident.

 

So does this make her a tyrant now? We can put this as blame on the writers, but not Celestia herself.

[Silver Stream. 708]

Lmao....the incident in "Make new friends but keep discord" was more of a gag. Let's not forget how excited and happy Twilight was when she thought her friends were in trouble in the episode "Lesson Zero". Or how Cadence didn't see nothing wrong with nearly being killed by that plant/worm/whatever that thing was......in the episode "Three's  a crowd". 

 

Stuff like that are just for the audiences to laugh at and shake their heads like "wow you're such a great person" in a sarcastic manner. But that doesn't make Celestia or Twilight or Cadence less of a good princess or good person 

Edited October 27, 2015 by Princess Sunset

[green 331]

  On 2015-10-27 at 1:52 AM, Hypnosparkle said:

So does this make her a tyrant now? We can put this as blame on the writers, but not Celestia herself.

What about the Crystal Empire? That was the worst of all. Caring more about a test than a empire...

[Mesme Rize 15,687]

  On 2015-10-27 at 1:57 AM, Flame Flare said:

What about the Crystal Empire? That was the worst of all. Caring more about a test than a empire...

 

Yeah, that was bad. But like i said, even the greatest rulers make mistakes.

[green 331]

  On 2015-10-27 at 1:55 AM, Princess Sunset said:

Lmao....the incident in "Make new friends but keep discord" was more of a gag. Let's not forget how excited and happy Twilight was when she thought her friends were in trouble in the episode "Lesson Zero". Or how Cadence didn't see nothing wrong with nearly being killed by that plant/worm/whatever that thing was......in the episode "Three's  a crowd". 

 

Stuff like that are just for the audiences to laugh at and shake their heads like "wow you're such a great person" in a sarcastic manner. But that doesn't make Celestia or Twilight or Cadence less of a good princess or good person

 

Do you think then, the writers do it on purpose?

[cider float 2,538]

  On 2015-10-27 at 1:40 AM, Flame Flare said:

I get it. She's done some questionable things. But why?

 

I feel like Celestia is being hated on more than she deserves. I know she does wierd stuff, The Crystal Empire is a prime example, but she also has shown compassion to her subjects. All these memes going around saying She's a tyrant feels pretty harsh. She locked horns with Chrysalis so is she a tyrant there?

 

I guess the question Im asking is why the writers give the most important pony two sides to her personality. Do they intentionally do this?

 

Id like to hear your thoughts.

 

 

It's probably due to the common internet hate on Christianity and Celestia's presence, reputation and character reminds them of it. 

[Castle Bleck 19,383]

  On 2015-10-27 at 1:51 AM, Flame Flare said:

True. But do you remember Make New Friends But Keep Discord? Yeah, she found "fun" in that incident.

 

That only means Trollestia is (somewhat) canon.

 

Tyrantlestia, however...

 

[Mesme Rize 15,687]

  On 2015-10-27 at 2:00 AM, cider float said:

It's probably due to the common internet hate on Christianity and Celestia's presence, reputation and character reminds them of it. 

 

Not to mention that she is an autocrat and some people think: Autocrat/Monarch = Dictator = Evil

[Silver Stream. 708]

  On 2015-10-27 at 1:59 AM, Flame Flare said:

Do you think then, the writers do it on purpose?

 Hell, it's always possible. We can make great points all we want but no one will ever truly know the intentions of the writers. We can go at war forever but they'll still be making money off of us regardless. 

[green 331]

  On 2015-10-27 at 2:02 AM, Princess Sunset said:

Hell, it's always possible. We can make great points all we want but no one will ever truly know the intentions of the writers. We can go at war forever but they'll still be making money off of us regardless.

 

Thats just too hilarious.

 

Guess Ill need to get a job at the studio to find out then.

[cider float 2,538]

I don't understand why Celestia is hated and Luna is loved so much in contrast. 

 

Luna is the one that acts high and mighty as seen in that Nightmare Moon episode of course she mellowed down at the end of the episode but what she expects of her citizens isn't that much less. Celestia is more like "lol hey guys what's going on." Luna is like "BOW BEFORE YOUR RULER"

 

Though I do like Luna because she's cute. :x

[Mesme Rize 15,687]

  On 2015-10-27 at 2:14 AM, cider float said:

I don't understand why Celestia is hated and Luna is loved so much in contrast. 

 

Luna is the one that acts high and mighty as seen in that Nightmare Moon episode of course she mellowed down at the end of the episode but what she expects of her citizens isn't that much less. Celestia is more like "lol hey guys what's going on." Luna is like "BOW BEFORE YOUR RULER"

 

Though I do like Luna because she's cute. :x

 

Because people think that Luna was done wrong and needs all the brony hugs and Celestia was always stealing her spotlight and banished Luna to the moon, without any reason of course.

[Cimarronboy 248]

Again just people making assumptions to fill in the blanks, some aspects though (trollestia, molly) are downright good entertainment compared to the somewhat dutiful and boring Tia we're allowed to see. 

 

As for myself tia seems more like that aunt that you can go to for anything. She can be the most fun or the most supportive. Near fatal laugh causing during prank wars and scarier than anything imaginable after stealing cake from. Solid and supportive like stone, wise and and caring like an elder, aloof and devious like a kid. I always try to write her as the responsible aunt I go to for training, advice, to be calm, relaxed and just be content around. She's the one who wears the serious mask most of the time but has moments where she lets her real face be seen and her mane down. 

[Jinxie Umbra 149]

I don't get why anyone sees Celestia as a god. The show's creator(s) have repeatedly said that is not the case. She and Luna are, at most, demi-gods. They're not immortal and they're not all-powerful.

[ManaMinori 4,145]

She'll protect her country's ponies from a threat, either on her own, with her sister, or with her student and her friends, but then she'll put the Crystal Empire's citizens at risk, just to teach her student a lesson about self sacrifice.....

I smell a juicy contradiction here....

  On 2015-10-27 at 3:26 AM, Jinxie Umbra said:

I don't get why anyone sees Celestia as a god. The show's creator(s) have repeatedly said that is not the case. She and Luna are, at most, demi-gods. They're not immortal and they're not all-powerful.

I really wouldn't even call them demi gods.

[pony.colin 156]

She's got a small laundry list of awful decision making (you'd figure she'd be better at it over these past thousands of years). Being lazy and not listing them atm.

 

Although the writers love to have her use Batman Gambits Huh, I could've sworn there were better examples of her using Batman Gambits in the list of examples at tvtropes, being too lazy to recall some of these

 

Though there are other times where she gets a complete gambit roulette where it becomes even more difficult to believe she planned this out.

 

Other than that, I realize she hasn't really had that great of a development and there's still a bit of an aura of mystery behind her full past (but there have been several things that have been revealed over the seasons). Thinking about, I forget, she's technically support character, but is kind of minor at best sometimes.

 

I interpret those who call her a tyrant as those who are having fun with a meme and I don't view it as a serious stance.  I doubt they're being serious.  She's got flaws and those have been pointed out several times over.  But she's not the worst if that's what my response sounds like.  Because I'm not implying that either.  She's got her own flaws which are at least more realistic, but she can do a few things pretty well too at times. 

 

Other than that, ummm .... I guess I got nothing atm.

Edited October 27, 2015 by pony.colin

[Sidral Mundet 1,666]

I think part of the reason is because she goes what Americans are taught about government, especially given our history with monarchs and dictators.  Basically we're taught it's a very bad idea for any one person to have control and that participation from the masses in how the government is run is a good thing as well as a system of checks and balances to ensure that power isn't abused and that everyone has a voice, and so to see Celestia running unchallenged by her subjects with no oversight can have people thinking a bit more cautiously and given she doesn't appear to have much conflict going on also doesn't earn her tons of sympathy as easily as say Luna.  

Then you and on the Internet where hyperbole and overemphasis is king and there you go.  

 

And this coming from a guy with an avatar that's the logo of a brutal dictatorial army.

Edited October 27, 2015 by Sidral Mundet