gaming What do you want from the NX?

[TheMisterManGuy 344]

After the failure of the Wii U, Nintendo is ready to move on with the NX. There's been a lot of speculation and hope for this new platform, but I want to give my thought on what I want Nintendo to do with it.

 

Have a clear vision, AND STICK TO IT - More so than lack of support and power, I think this was the Wii U's biggest problem. It was trying to be too many things at once, trying to be everything to everyone. As a result the Wii U winds up lacking an identity or vision of it's own. Does it wan't to be a casual system? a core system? a Nintendo fan system? a kids system? a family system? It's hard to tell when Nintendo kept changing their focus at the drop of a hat to the point where it felt aimless. So, make sure there's a clear, focused message this time. This brings me to...

 

Make sure management is in order this time - This is also another big problem that can be traced back all the way to the late Wii days to be honest, where mangement at Nintendo was all over the place. I won't say too much here, but according to Dan Adelman, their former indie chief. To get anything done at the company, every division involved, including shareholders, have to be on board with the plan. The problem is that any one can shoot down ideas at any point. What resulted was a constant clashing of tradition vs. modernization, backwards practices, and the bloated, aimless mess the Wii U ended up as. Combine this with a complete lack of a clear direction for the company, as well as strained development staff and there's a recipie for disaster. Fourtanatley, they seem to be fixing this with the big restructure last year, as well as much of Yamauchi's old board members retiring. We'll have to see if this pans out.

 

Modernization is one thing, but soulessly copy and pasting is another - Look, I want 3rd party support, I want robust online, I want competent hardware. I want all of that. What I DON'T want is just a PS4 with Mario games. For a company who has, for better or worse, always tried to push the boundiries of game controls and features, I expect more from Nintendo. Simply copy-pasting the PS4 is not only lazy, but it's also a cop out. It tells me that Nintendo can only get back on top if they carbon-copy the competition. The NX needs to feel modern, and it needs support, but it also needs ambition, and a unique identity. And Lastly...

 

Go all out with 1st party games - I want to see less amiibo festivals, and more Splatoons. Nintendo's strength is in it's creative roster of developers. So be ambitious and innovative not just with hardware, but also software. They played it way too safe on the Wii U IMO, so hopefully the NX is the opposite.

 

This is pretty much what I want out of the NX. Do you agree, what do you want to see?

Edited April 9, 2016 by TheMisterManGuy

[Ashen Pathfinder 16,162]

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Just letting you know that I edited the title for better clarification.

 

Thanks.

[LHfunk 422]

Personally I really like the Wii U, but I guess I'm easily satisfied. I'm not a very hardcore gamer, and what I most want is certain games on it. The list is pretty long though, so I'm not going to recite it. One thing I would like however is the ability to go handheld. The gamepad was a good start, but it needs to go farther. It would also be cool for you to be able to connect your 3DS to it and project it onto the screen or something.

[Discordian 6,015]

As long as it can play Wii-U games so I don't have to buy two consoles I'm pretty much set. There's a lot of Wii-U games I want but I'm holding out in case the NX does that. Why waste the money?

[Detritus 258]

The only thing I'd like to see is solid third party support.

 

Well, that and a name that doesn't make me cringe every time I say it.

[Megas 27,921]

Just want solid 3rd party support. I'd love to have a Nintendo console that lets me play 3rd party games I would otherwise need to get another console for because Nintendo consoles the last two gens didn't have competent 3rd party support

[Guest]

Honestly, part of me doesn't think the NX can make it. I mean if it is to make it, then it needs to be powerful enough to handle modern games without being too expensive. On top of that, it needs to have the features that people demand of a game console these days while offering something unique, but not so unique that it makes it awkward to develop for. No more gimmicks, and honestly they have to somehow overcome the hurdle of their previous fans of the Wii U not feeling burned on the Wii U. They're going to cut them off so early and a lot of them are going to be pissed off enough to where they will just get a PS4 or an Xbox.

 

Honestly though after the rumors and leaks, my faith in the NX is low. Supposedly it'll be weaker than the Xbox One, which already spells disaster. Your console is 3 years newer, there's no excuse for it not to be more powerful than the PS4. Because this late in the game, it needs to be future proof otherwise they will be left with another console that is only powerful enough to last a few years and they will once again have to make another one in 4-5 years. People WILL get tired of buying consoles very fast. Nintendo learned with the Wii U that their loyalists aren't as loyal as they thought.

[TheMisterManGuy 344]

Honestly, part of me doesn't think the NX can make it. I mean if it is to make it, then it needs to be powerful enough to handle modern games without being too expensive. On top of that, it needs to have the features that people demand of a game console these days while offering something unique, but not so unique that it makes it awkward to develop for. No more gimmicks, and honestly they have to somehow overcome the hurdle of their previous fans of the Wii U not feeling burned on the Wii U. They're going to cut them off so early and a lot of them are going to be pissed off enough to where they will just get a PS4 or an Xbox.

 

Honestly though after the rumors and leaks, my faith in the NX is low. Supposedly it'll be weaker than the Xbox One, which already spells disaster. Your console is 3 years newer, there's no excuse for it not to be more powerful than the PS4. Because this late in the game, it needs to be future proof otherwise they will be left with another console that is only powerful enough to last a few years and they will once again have to make another one in 4-5 years. People WILL get tired of buying consoles very fast. Nintendo learned with the Wii U that their loyalists aren't as loyal as they thought.

I don't mind the NX having some sort of gimmick, just as long as it's well thought out, adds to the game, and supports more traditional controls if needed. The problem with the gamepad was that it had good ideas behind it, but instead of actually doing anything with them, Nintendo instead decided to bloat the gamepad with too many useless and unececary features. IR port, TV control, External port that was never used, camera, sensor bar, 6 in. screen. Seriously, they could've cut out half this stuff, and the gamepad would've been a much cheaper, not to mention much better controller because of it.

 

Also, according to more recent rumors, it is in fact more powerful than the PS4, and that's from more credible sources.

[Megas 27,921]

lol after the NX controller rumor took everyone for a ride, I'm done with NX rumors.

 

Just give me a decent controller(i.e., anything that isn't the N64 controller) and enough power to current gen titles without being a pain in the ass for devs to develop for

[Guest]

 

 

I don't mind the NX having some sort of gimmick, just as long as it's well thought out, adds to the game, and supports more traditional controls if needed.

 

The problem is that gimmicks generally detract from a system. Like I LOVE the Wii U pro controller. I think it's a great controller, but there are so many reasons not to use it. Most games if you use it over the gamepad you are losing features of the game, and other games like Smash Bros. and Poken basically give you another controller all together as the "Definitive" controller. Like they have made every possible reason not to use the controller.

 

The other thing I'd love to see from that controller is use with virtual console and you can... On the Wii U side of things with a tiny tiny library, so if you want to use your Wii VC games, you can't use it there either, and that makes it useless even for using the system for emulating. Nintendo basically made that controller to appease people, then did nothing with it because they were too focused on gimmicks.

 

 

 

The problem with the gamepad was that it had good ideas behind it, but instead of actually doing anything with them, Nintendo instead decided to bloat the gamepad with too many useless and unececary features. IR port, TV control, External port that was never used, camera, sensor bar, 6 in. screen. Seriously, they could've cut out half this stuff, and the gamepad would've been a much cheaper, not to mention much better controller because of it.

 

Some of those features were good ideas, but their execution and use was terrible. A webcam on the controller was great... If the system had any kind of feasible chat system. The TV control actually I did find helpful at times, but the problem is a lot of that stuff as you said never reached its potential.

 

 

 

Also, according to more recent rumors, it is in fact more powerful than the PS4, and that's from more credible sources.

 

Can I hear this source? The first leak we got was from a guy who has a long history of being right about this stuff, so I am interested in hearing who this more credible source is. 

[TheMisterManGuy 344]

The problem is that gimmicks generally detract from a system. Like I LOVE the Wii U pro controller. I think it's a great controller, but there are so many reasons not to use it. Most games if you use it over the gamepad you are losing features of the game, and other games like Smash Bros. and Poken basically give you another controller all together as the "Definitive" controller. Like they have made every possible reason not to use the controller.

 

The other thing I'd love to see from that controller is use with virtual console and you can... On the Wii U side of things with a tiny tiny library, so if you want to use your Wii VC games, you can't use it there either, and that makes it useless even for using the system for emulating. Nintendo basically made that controller to appease people, then did nothing with it because they were too focused on gimmicks.

Like I said, gimmicks are fine as long as you know what you're doing with them. Nintendo had some good ideas for the Gamepad, but baring one or two exceptions, failed to justify it's existance. They made a really different and unique idea, but thought that excuses them from doing anything interesting with it.

 

 

Some of those features were good ideas, but their execution and use was terrible. A webcam on the controller was great... If the system had any kind of feasible chat system. The TV control actually I did find helpful at times, but the problem is a lot of that stuff as you said never reached its potential.

 

As useful and cool as the camera and TV control are, they aren't features the Gamepad really should have IMHO. Like I said, they could've cut out half of this excess bloat and the Gamepad Would've been a much better controller.

 

Can I hear this source? The first leak we got was from a guy who has a long history of being right about this stuff, so I am interested in hearing who this more credible source is.

 

IIRC, it was Emily Rogers who said it. She has been right before with things like the Nintendo direct leaks.

[Guest]

 

 

As useful and cool as the camera and TV control are, they aren't features the Gamepad really should have IMHO. Like I said, they could've cut out half of this excess bloat and the Gamepad Would've been a much better controller.

 

Well considering they could have gotten the TV remote feature in there for as low as like a couple of dollars it's one I am willing to allow. The camera... Not so much since console gamers generally just don't use video chat, especially without Skype or something on the system. Like I would like a way to turn down my TV volume on my PS4 without having to reach for the remote, so it is a nice little feature that I can honestly say so long as it doesn't bump the price of the controller up too much is worth having. 

 

 

 

IIRC, it was Emily Rogers who said it. She has been right before with things like the Nintendo direct leaks.

 

 

Given the last leak was from a credible source... I'd say its 50/50 then. Both sources have a good track record..

[Bright Honor 2,721]

I want:

 

-Minimum 500GB HDD if a home console

 

-Matte chassis finish

 

-Aggressive marketing

 

-Honest effort to get third party on board

 

-Enough power for current gen ports

 

-Better online, keep free if can.

[Kyoshi Frost Wolf 41,982]

With the NX, I mainly want two things: Longevity and Third Party Support

 

For their past two consoles, Nintendo has dropped the ball in both of these things in my opinion. The Wii and Wii U were both not built to last and neither were made with a long term plan in mind, hence why the Wii U now is already taking a backseat in less than 4 years. The Wii, while it lasted a decent while for what it was, it was losing ground very early on and the third party support on both systems was terrible. Nintendo really needs to get some good third party support if they want their system to have longevity and they need to make this new system WITH longevity in mind. 

[Guest]

I'll be honest:

 

I am not very confident in the NX due to the rumors and Nintendo's track record. I am like 70% confident in this system bombing. I reserve the remaining 30% for what they announce at E3.

[Denim&Venöm 19,768]

Well, affordability for one. Not a big focus on motion controls. Have a regular controller be an option, without a cost to game play. And if you do make a game pad, make it comfy to hold and have a bigger, better battery life for it. Best to bundle it with big, new titles like Splatoon, like Pokken, games that made non-Nintendo loyalists & casual gamers want to buy a wii u. Market it to more than just the consumer base that will order Smash Bro's 2K17 at the drop of a hat. Take a look back at the N64 & the Gamecube. See what made those sell like hot cakes. Maybe even some throw back advertising or even remastered games to get back your lost audience.

 

Also, loose some gimmicks. Focus on being a video game consoles first. Let thing like netflix, skype chats, hulu, amazon, cameras, and social media stuff be add ons.  TV's, cable & satellite services, tablets, iphones, already off them. It's no longer enough to sell a console on. A console should now offer what devices & services can't. And that's the gaming experience. Dance with who brought you. 

 

At the same time, don't try to be X-Box or PS. They have their audiences and their resources.  Don't try to out Microsoft or Sony your competition. Offer something they can't. Instead, be the alternative. They're playing checkers. Your turn to play chess, then.

 

But that's just my two bits on the matter, 

[TheMisterManGuy 344]

Also, one last thing.

 

USE USB CHARGING! - It boggles my mind how Nintendo STILL feels like it has to force proprietary AC chargers on you. The fact that the new 3DS doesn't even include charger is even more insulting. What's bizzare is that the Gamepad requires it's own charger, but the Pro controller for some reason, DOES charge with USB. Nearly every wirless and mobile device today uses USB charging, even Apple, as annoying as they are with their lightning cable BS, still let's you charge with USB.

Edited April 25, 2016 by TheMisterManGuy

[Guest]

 

 

USE USB CHARGING! - It boggles my mind how Nintendo STILL feels like it has to force proprietary AC chargers on you. The fact that the new 3DS doesn't even include charger is even more insulting. What's bizzare is that the Gamepad requires it's own charger, but the Pro controller for some reason, DOES charge with USB. Nearly every worked and mobile device today uses USB charging, even Apple, as annoying as they are with their lightning cable BS, still let's you charge with USB.

 

 

Funny enough the Pro controller's USB sucks too. First of all, it uses an outdated form of USB (USB Mini) and does not support data transfer, so you can't even use it as a USB controller.

[Shanks 10,816]

-Better third party support.

 

-Focus on the games first and the add on's second.

 

-Listen to the fans a bit more.

 

-Backward compatibility with Wii U games and possibly Wii games as well.

 

-Management let the creators do their job.

 

-Up the ante on 1st and 2nd party games.

[PiratePony 8,486]

I'd like to see Nintendo rise from the gwabe* again and be #1. I would love to see the guts to have a controller compatible with popular games on the PS4 and XBox - not necessarily compete with them, but at least get a fair share of THOSE popular games. You know, make people want to buy an NX for the Nintendo games without even needing to get another system for the popular cross-system games. 

 

It's a balance of keeping the family friendly attitude that Nintendo is known for, with Mario, Link and all their pals, while being able to sell games maybe even M rated...not under their banner, but just...have it available for play on their system. Then I can buy an NX, wait til my Rockstar games come out and play it on a Nintendo. I know that sounds like an unholy alliance, but I'd rather have one system than two or three. And I used to have a SNES and Genesis. 

 

 

Side question: Is Legend of Zelda waiting until the NX or will it come out on the Wii U? If it doesn't come out on Wii U and just skips, that'd be unprecedented. 

 

 

*reference to Altered Beast. Kids, look it up on the youtubes.

[Shanks 10,816]

Side question: Is Legend of Zelda waiting until the NX or will it come out on the Wii U? If it doesn't come out on Wii U and just skips, that'd be unprecedented. 

There are longstanding rumors that they may do the same thing they did with Twilight Princess and release a version for the previous generation system and the new generation system which would mean both a Wii U and NX version of the game. Nothing at least that I am aware of has been confirmed yet, though this honestly wouldn't surprise me. There are more and more people waiting to buy new consoles until the price drops partly due to expense and the economy being a bit crappy right now and partly due to the rise of the casual gamer and Nintendo though they have made some poor decisions in recent years are aware of that. Though they are also aware that the Wii U is bombing which may have prompted them to move onto their next console sooner than they may have otherwise. Nintendo has since the Wii marketed heavily toward the "casual" gaming audience and to families and children even longer than that, though problems that have plagued the Gamecube and Wii generations got worse with the Wii U generation and the similar name to the Wii probably didn't help matters either.

[Bright Honor 2,721]

As the others as said use reasonably up to date specs. Less power than PS4 and XBO for home console is completely unacceptable.

[Radiance64 7,053]

MARKETING

Third Party Support

So... above all else, I just want it to sell... I'll be satisfied with it personally as long as the games are good I'm sure

[CaptainDoubloon 857]

How about a nintendo system that can finally play dvd's!

[TheMisterManGuy 344]

I know the NX controller "leaks" were proven to be fake, but call me crazy, I still want the NX to have something like this.

 

https://youtu.be/t4eh-Cn3Pzk

 

I understand, cost is a major concern, but Nintendo can get this tech for relatively cheap, then it could be pretty amazing.