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[Lil Pip 775]

I beat my first diamond player ever. And I am just in gold!

 

For those who don't know it goes like this, bronze silver gold platinum diamond masters grandmasters. I'm so proud.

 

I was panicking the whole time though. I was like, this guy is diamond it says it, he is two leagues ahead of me what do I do!? Then I'm like ok, gotta do everything I can! So I got a lucky scout with an overlord and noticed he was massing marines, and I denied his third base and I took a ninja base, and eh harassed my main multiple times and I just let it get destroyed because I was already damaging him why pull back when it takes like 10 seconds, when I need to take this chance. But I produced new units to defend. By the time I got my third up and running he prolly scouted my fourth but didn't notice I had 2 more bases over there already, so he was desperate to get his third up  and produced a lot of decent units called liberators, but he couldn't affords their upgrades, and I had stocked up on extra minerals n gas from my secret bases. I um went mutalisks, then they got wrecked really. And um he destroyed my double mutaslisks with their ugprades but by the end of the game I was buying extra production facilities in case he destroyed any and when he scouted my double evo chamber early I cancelled it and decided to go for  a push. But I kept producing units a little slower than I should have.

 

But I pulled through and had to micro some of my corruptors so they wouldn't get insta squished by the liberators but they were upgraded his were not so I ended up doing solid. Also when eh had liberators previously against my mutalisks mutas were very squishy but I decided to trade them out since I had more bases than he did. Which delayed his push because he didn't have the confidence to send just marines which actually prolly could've won it for him. Idk if he underestimated me because I was gold or took it easy on me slightly or I just won because he never scouted my ninja bases but I'm happy and proud and shocked or surprised lol.

 

Imma try uploading it to youtube or something but it needs to be converted first.

[ConcorDisparate 385]

It's pretty risky honestly. Your only chance is to make him afraid of a 2-bases push while droning a lot. Don't try it too often against diamonds+, they should have enough micro to crush you with any front push, because of the lack of creep. Plus, I don't think you would be able to manage things if he ever use marines to scout ninja bases, unless you use a camera for each base and have enough multitasking skills.

Statistically, you'd have a much better ratio against diamonds using any strong 2-3 bases all-in.

 

Also, prepare a plan before launching a game, in case the enemy is far behind and you need to end the game (like in this situation). A 2/2 timing push when he sets up his third, before his own 2/2, for instance. In HoTs, terrans were 30 to 60 seconds late in upgrades with basic B.Os. I guess it's not much different in LotV.

 

Avoid mutalisks, honestly, unless you know exactly what you are doing (sniping bases with bane traps in your bases is a good plan for example).

 

WP though, may this be the first among many wins against diamonds

 

EDIT: Just realized that I should totally try out LotV during this Summer. I just hope TvT didn't become a nightmare with tank drops. Well, TvP is playable at least. I should probably switch back to Zerg.

Edited June 15, 2016 by ConcorDisparate

[Lil Pip 775]

ConcorDisparate, on 15 Jun 2016 - 3:15 PM, said:

It's pretty risky honestly. Your only chance is to make him afraid of a 2-bases push while droning a lot. Don't try it too often against diamonds+, they should have enough micro to crush you with any front push, because of the lack of creep. Plus, I don't think you would be able to manage things if he ever use marines to scout ninja bases, unless you use a camera for each base and have enough multitasking skills.

Statistically, you'd have a much better ratio against diamonds using any strong 2-3 bases all-in.

 

Also, prepare a plan before launching a game, in case the enemy is far behind and you need to end the game (like in this situation). A 2/2 timing push when he sets up his third, before his own 2/2, for instance. In HoTs, terrans were 30 to 60 seconds late in upgrades with basic B.Os. I guess it's not much different in LotV.

 

Avoid mutalisks, honestly, unless you know exactly what you are doing (sniping bases with bane traps in your bases is a good plan for example).

 

WP though, may this be the first among many wins against diamonds

 

EDIT: Just realized that I should totally try out LotV during this Summer. I just hope TvT didn't become a nightmare with tank drops. Well, TvP is playable at least. I should probably switch back to Zerg.

This season is locked so I guess he could've been off-racing, time to check.

Yeah he is a protoss playing Terran

Oh well. lol. And I spent all this time converting a video and recording it.

But yes mutas are risky against terran. Many counters.

Tank drops were patched (ages ago) every time you drop a tank it's shot is reset to as if it already fired so you gotta wait and it doesn't insta shoot anymore like that, but TvT is being very chess-like depending on play style. You know the tanks covering the marines sorta deal, just throw in some libs into the mix basically the same though.

Some mech players exist though and what they do is early reaper into some hellion into a cyclone if they keep the pressure up on a small map really early, that sorta deal.

But I love LotV because its like, HotS was very macro oriented then death balling then game of attrition I guess, but now LotV has less death balls and more engagements and a few minutes less at the start because you have 12 workers instead of 6. Then the other units do add more variety so its not as boring and we got more playstyles available.

Zerg is good now though with ravagers and lurkers. Then protoss has adepts and disruptors. It might be a little difficult to adjust at first so play with some friends before trying to ladder perhaps, or unranked.

Oh and I know how to use mutas, I can destroy widow mines with them one at a time unless more than 3 are bunched together its a bit riskier. Then they take engagements against stalkers because stalkers are too large so less area dps. Mutas are great vs toss, until archons come anyways or if I rush them too fast.

But yeah I used to watch a good amount of pro matches. Disruptors are not to be underestimated. And adepts get bonus vs light but are slow firing and sorta tanky similar to a zealot, so stimmed marines beat them but they beat unstimmed marines and they are great scouts.

 

Then cyclones are made for kiting or anti-air from a factory when you need something more active than a widow mine but cheaper or more mobile than a thor. Also speaking for zerg if you can hit before mutas can come out with marauders and hellions behind the marauders (because marauders are tankier and the helions have good range and are anti-light) then it counters ling bane and roach and is rather solid, they basically need to use their gas for ravagers but concussive shells means they can't micro them away anyways so it counters that too if you get that. Only way to counter your push is mass queen spine that early in which case contain them and get Vikings or libs for anti-muta or even simply enough reinforce with widow-mine contain, prolly easiest option. Though ravagers counter that easily if they notice widow mines can be seen burrowed and pop some shots at them.

 

What league were you?

[ConcorDisparate 385]

@@Lil Pip,

 

Rank 1 diamond on EU, I stopped before reaching master league, but it's basically low master.

 

You seem to know many things, so I guess you are only gold because you need more games. If you can macro well enough and learn some precise timings (on all the stuff you talked about, like the window for Marauder/Hellbats before mutas), you should reach diamond easily. Protoss shouldn't be a pain in the ass, so it shouldn't be a issue. They used to be one, because you needed ~ 100-150 games in a league before going up, because you had to learn how to counter every bs build they throw at you.

 

Sadly, All of my timings are off with the new timer. Just be careful, because terrans have loooots of different ways to do the same things, so timings are key, they are more important than the units in the push itself.

For example, on HotS, a Hellbat/maraudeur could arrive at 6:00 or at 9:00. But you really need to know the precise timing to react effectively. I've even seen Stephano defend a horrible timing on one base with scv pulls.

 

EDIT: Trust me, timings are super important, the difference between a master and a diamond lies there : A master player know the BS builds and their timings, a diamond does not. When Protoss used to dominate during all of the early game in TvP, there were no builds at all to cheese them. Except one that a master player told me about. I had 90% winrate with it, litterally, because it had such a disgusting timing that it was horrible for protoss players (you were able to go in B1 ~5 seconds before the Overcharge, so B2 was free, and there was no way to defend without B2, so you had to block the main with pylons, overcharging the B2, with every units behind the wall, even pulling probes etc..).

Edited June 15, 2016 by ConcorDisparate

[Lil Pip 775]

ConcorDisparate, on 15 Jun 2016 - 4:03 PM, said:ConcorDisparate, on 15 Jun 2016 - 4:03 PM, said:

Yeah I need more games, but not just that I got too lazy to control group my queens and haven't really started cameras for bases yet though I adjusted my hotkeys to be able to do so more intuitively. My new apm sticks around 100 lately. I don't always play standard I prefer to try new stuff, try silly stuff, mess around, but still expect to win when I don't play the meta way XD but today I was determined to meta it up. I was in plat in HotS then took a break been in gold since basically. Sometimes I forget to produce defense units or I forget to produce between microing. Also if you want, I would love to play some games with you. Don't really have someone that wants to do 1v1s. I expect I would win due to your not knowing the meta or LotV style as much but then you would win me then I would have to be sneaky or try gaining some gameplay fitness like macro n micro speed and consistency and better planning habits, so even if I lose I would want to try. I figure with random people of various skills in ladder its hard to exercise some skills consistently, so playing against one person might do it for me. But yeah I got the idea to do that terran push because I went from NA to EU and wanted to try other races before so I engie bay blocked zerg then did a one base push lol. I beat a plat or diamond terran before just getting marines early before. Was fun but not consistent at all.

 

Edited June 15, 2016 by Lil Pip

[ConcorDisparate 385]

Why not ? Not during the week and the next one though, I don't have access to my main PC here.

 

I can teach you some things that could help if playing meta is too boring. It's a little more complicated with zergs, but they still have very powerful tools.

 

We can also do some 2v2, I usually go for multitasking with bioballs, so I can manage things while you put in place your playstyle.

 

EDIT: The last time I played against a friend that really wanted to improve, I made him leave in 2 games. I hope you are determined because I will make sure to abuse of OP timing pushes

Edited June 15, 2016 by ConcorDisparate

[Lil Pip 775]

ConcorDisparate, on 15 Jun 2016 - 4:17 PM, said:ConcorDisparate, on 15 Jun 2016 - 4:17 PM, said:ConcorDisparate, on 15 Jun 2016 - 4:17 PM, said:ConcorDisparate, on 15 Jun 2016 - 4:17 PM, said:ConcorDisparate, on 15 Jun 2016 - 4:17 PM, said:ConcorDisparate, on 15 Jun 2016 - 4:17 PM, said:

Why not ? Not during the week and the next one though, I don't have access to my main PC here.

 

I can teach you some things that could help if playing meta is too boring. It's a little more complicated with zergs, but they still have very powerful tools.

 

We can also do some 2v2, I usually go for multitasking with bioballs, so I can manage things while you put in place your playstyle.

 

EDIT: The last time I played against a friend that really wanted to improve, I made him leave in 2 games. I hope you are determined because I will make sure to abuse of OP timing pushes

I might get salty(eventually, so to prevent that I will need to watch replays between matches or ponder about what went wrong) but I would try again probably. But I just found a funny build vs terran lol. Its basically I take like 4-5 bases by the time they move out with a small force then I produce a lot of roaches and a few spines blocking off my main. Then because they invested into an offensive I out macro them normally after, but with like a TON of bases lol, and because of the extra minerals stacking keep taking all the bases cuz too many minerals lol. Its quite funny. Just discovered this today.

Anyways for battlenet I'm AceBrain#1261 Also sorry didn't notice how fast you replied because I wasn't following topic yet.

Edited June 16, 2016 by Lil Pip

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