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Is Princess Twilight Useless?


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Now I get she's Maxed out as a character but seeing the Season 7 info we got recently Twilight is getting less and less weaker. In my Top 5 Reasons Why Human And Princess Twilight Should Interact In The Specials (heres a link)     EG Top 5 Reasons Why Human And Princess Twilight Should Interact In The Specials     I said of how Princess Twilight is getting useless. And the episode I watch in season 6 she doesn't have anything to do expect doing her thing. I hope she gets more episodes in season 7. 

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I'm not sure how any of the season 7 info we got shows her as useless? Even after her alicorn ascension she still beat Tirek with her friends and helped stop Starlight in both the season 5 premiere and finale, that's not exactly useless. Just because she hasn't been the hero of every single two parter or episode doesn't make her useless.

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Twilight is best pony.

 

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Twilight is active just not as much as she used to be. It's a natural process that's been slowly happening for a while now. She's slipping into a Celestia role:)

 

But we'll always need her n.n 

 

I agree Twilights become Celestia #2 almost I think she needs to take more action shes become a bit useless it evident during the battle with Glimmer she didn't stand up to the bullshit that Starlight did if I was her i would've called starlight out not just say okay lets roll with it what the fuck twilight!

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Oh boy, this​ topic. Ready for a wall of text (or chunks of it) comparably lengthy enough to give 'Ninety-Nine Buckets of Oats on the Wall' a run for its bits?

 

Twilight being a princess is a difficult topic for me to grip mainly due to the controversy surrounding it and the fact that on purely a conceptual level, it was actually an interesting idea. Twilight is not generally the type of character one would select to ascend to basically deity status (the show has never really been all that clear on a number of concepts regarding alicorns though - is Twilight now immortal or not? Is there actually any proof for either side of the argument?) on a surface level.​ Remember that this is not the Core 7 of G3, this is Friendship is Magic - each character has their own respective set of nuances and hidden depths - the fact that Twilight's high level of responsibility and abilities regarding magic happen to coincide with qualities displayed in alicorns of Equestria  is one of these nuances (or a neat detail on the writers' parts). Even considering this though, ascending to alicornhood would have made a highly interesting character arc for Twilight - how will this impact her life? Would she have to choose between friends or royal responsibilities (the likes of which may involve Equestria's fate)? Would she need to move to Canterlot?

 

Sadly, while Lauren Faust seemed to be implying that that would be the direction she would have taken had she still been helming the show (considering her respective ideas for Dashie and Rarity's futures), the current team of writers have floundered regarding Twilight's status. Rather than biting the bullet and allowing for a change in the status quo to tactfully occur (I'm not asking for Twilight to be excluded from the Mane Six and taken to permanently reside in Canterlot, but I ​am ​asking that the writers acknowledge her role and how it would alter the show in necessary aspects - they don't need to bring up the fact that 'she's a princess' every episode, but they needed to ensure that ​they handled the ascension with the respect it deserved), they seem to have taken the simpler route and not really done anything. When Faust designed the show, she set up all the characters to fit comfortably and naturally into their roles in society and to play off each other's weaknesses perfectly (this being one of the reasons the initial two seasons of the show worked so well) - Twilight's ascension was a wrench in the machinery, and it was almost as if the writing team had no idea how to handle this (possibly out of respect for Faust?) and so simply left it in there and attempted to ignore the wrench unless it was absolutely necessary (Season 4 was the worst case of this, where, while possibly intentional, they only truly brought up Twilight's status when it was unavoidable such as in the season premiere and finale and played the rest of the show as if nothing had happened regarding Twilight the majority of episodes otherwise). While I acknowledge the Season 4 finale did​ reference this issue by having Twilight be concerned about it and subsequently granting her the title of 'Princess of Friendship', we still, as audience members, were not actually allowed to see what she even does​ - this is not made any better by episodes such as 'The Hooffields and the McColts', where Twilight comes off as having no business being Princess of Friendship, and episodes such as 'No Second Prances' where Twilight's role in the story not only seemed out of character for her (she was a superior friend in the first season compared to that episode) but forced merely so some form of conflict can be shoehorned into the episode (didn't Trixie apologize​ to Twilight after Magic Duel, something 'No Second Prances' does not seem to really reference?). In general, the issue of Twilight's ascension amounting to virtually squat has been most prolific in the most recent season - Josh Haber's basic style of storytelling really does not befit characters with roles such as Twilight (at least with her status situation).

 

I really do think the writing team wrote themselves into a corner regarding Twilight's ascension; for one matter, it was done too soon. Twilight's ascension was intended as a sort of character culmination, indicating that Twilight had mastered the art of friendship. However, with six seasons under our belt now, the actual journey to princesshood appears rushed in hindsight (Twilight's journey to alicornhood seems more like a near show-length arc, as opposed to only lasting three out of a potential eight seasons) and the pulling of the plug too soon resulted in Twilight becoming somewhat more bland and passive (most of the time) than before. You can't have a character complete their major development arc in three seasons and then allow them to sit in a semi-limbo for another five seasons - character growth, no matter how many arcs a character progresses through, is a constant sprint to the metaphorical finish line and you can't really afford to stop for long.

 

I acknowledge that Twilight has achieved some character growth recently (what with taking on Starlight Glimmer for a season, excited to see where Twilight graduating her will lead in the impending seventh season) and is still a part of the main cast, but they had such a golden opportunity to shake up the character dynamic in a new, interesting and innovative way past the 65-episode mark, but have not truly taken the opportunity to fulfill this promise.

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Twilight is still pretty active in that she continues to save Equestria on a regular basis, but I will admit that her role has been starting to dwindle a little. I attribute that to her duties as a princess taking precedence over everything else and allowing someone else to take up the mantle and save the day.


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I really do think the writing team wrote themselves into a corner regarding Twilight's ascension; for one matter, it was done too soon. Twilight's ascension was intended as a sort of character culmination, indicating that Twilight had mastered the art of friendship. However, with six seasons under our belt now, the actual journey to princesshood appears rushed in hindsight (Twilight's journey to alicornhood seems more like a near show-length arc, as opposed to only lasting three out of a potential eight seasons) and the pulling of the plug too soon resulted in Twilight becoming somewhat more bland and passive (most of the time) than before. You can't have a character complete their major development arc in three seasons and then allow them to sit in a semi-limbo for another five seasons - character growth, no matter how many arcs a character progresses through, is a constant sprint to the metaphorical finish line and you can't really afford to stop for long.

This. All the way.

I don't know what the hell the current writers have planned for Twilight at this point. She's predictable now, even more so than the other 5 ponies, and even more so than Starlight Glimmer.

The one way they could remedy this is if Twilight fucks up in a big way or she hits a snag of some kind. But how the hell are hey gonna manage that when Twilight is practically a Mary Sue at this point?

 

I somehow feel like the Equestria Girls movies characterize Twilight better than the actual show does now.

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This. All the way.

I don't know what the hell the current writers have planned for Twilight at this point. She's predictable now, even more so than the other 5 ponies, and even more so than Starlight Glimmer.

The one way they could remedy this is if Twilight fucks up in a big way or she hits a snag of some kind. But how the hell are hey gonna manage that when Twilight is practically a Mary Sue at this point?

 

I somehow feel like the Equestria Girls movies characterize Twilight better than the actual show does now.

 

yeah I agree equestrian girls is doing a better job characterizing twilight then the real show remember twilight is the main pony of the show what the fuck are ya doing hasbro

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