Most Threatening Villain/Creature in Equestria?

[RaraLover 10,423]

Who do you is the most threatening villain/creature in Equestria so far?

Consider their strengths, abilities, how they were defeated, any weaknesses perhaps, their effect(s) of being present in Equestria, things like that. The most threatening villain doesn't have to be the most powerful.

To keep things simple, let's just the consider the villains/creatures that appeared in the show. So disregard Equestria Girls, any MLP comics, etc.

Reformed villains/creatures can also be discussed.

Edited January 12, 2019 by ILoveRara

[MangoFoalix 25,054]

Probably Discord or Tirek. Tirek wanted to take all the magic out of Equestria and Discord could literally destroy all of Equestria if he wanted to an the princesses would struggle to deal with him.

[RaraLover 10,423]

In my opinion, I think the strongest villains in Equestria are Tirek and the Pony of Shadows.

Tirek was so powerful that even Twilight could not do anything about it, nor the other Princesses. They had to call Discord. The fact that Celestia, Luna and Cadence had to give up their to give to Twilight shows how dangerous Tirek is. His intention is to take away all the magic in Equestria. He had to be defeated with the Mane 6 being powered-up. He was never even given a chance to be reformed.

Then there is the Pony of Shadows. He was such a threat that the Pillars of Old Equestria has to take him to another dimension, sacrificing themselves. In the end, it took the Mane 6 plus the Pillars of Old Equestria to stand against him.

I also think Discord could be a big threat as well because he can pretty much do anything. But the fact that he uses his powers for mischief rather than domination or destruction makes him appear a little less threatening, in my opinion anyways.

Edited January 12, 2019 by ILoveRara

[Kadeda 178]

The most dangerous villain to show up on the show.. or the most dangerous potential villain?

 

If i grade the power of all the villains then it would be something like...

1.Tirek

2.Pony of Shadows

3.Discord

4.Nightmare Moon

5.Sombra

6.Crystallis

7.Starlight Glimmer

8.Cozy Glow

Tirek is obviously number one. The rest are just educated guesses to be honest. I always thought characters like Daybreaker or Evil Twilight might be quite powerful though.

Edited January 11, 2019 by Kadeda

[Usager 433]

@TwilySparky

But discord's magic got blocked by that chrisalys stone thing

Tirek just throw energy as i remember

Edited January 11, 2019 by Usager

[Ashen Pathfinder 16,164]

I'll be honest; I'm not too impressed with Tirek. Granted he was all powerful and possibly the most powerful being at full power, but he had to have help to get there. Had Discord not betrayed Equestria Tirek may very well have been stopped. And as for Discord...he had everything at his fingertips, yet his ego caused his fall; as it always does for Chrysalis. Power counts for a lot, but total reliance on that doesn't make you the strongest villain.

As such, going on the episodes we've seen them work, I'd say King Sombra is probably the strongest largely due to planning, lack of an apparent ego, and general intelligence. Considering he only lost because of Spike and that he had Equestria on the brink during the war without an apparent way to victory; he seems to be the most apparent danger in my eyes.

However if we are talking pure power and not just as a threat; then yeah, Tirek is hard to beat, unless you bring in comic villains like Princess Eris in. :p

[Goat-kun 2,530]

Harmony, tendrils down. It's the one villain where you'd need actual heroes to beat it.

[Lord Midnight Madness 1,544]

I think either tirek or discord but discord isn't a villain anymore though. I also think cozy glow is pretty powerful as well jk lol.

[Kadeda 178]

I think we overestimate how strong Discord is. He knows a lot of magic but he doesn't seem much more powerful than an Alicorn... especially since we seen Unicorn Twilight block and reverse his spells. Tirek didn't get much more powerful from draining him as well.

Edited January 11, 2019 by Kadeda

[RaraLover 10,423]

11 hours ago, Kadeda said:

The most dangerous villain to show up on the show.. or the most dangerous potential villain?

Either I guess...

I kind of discussed both in my post. 

[RaraLover 10,423]

Edited topic content a bit for a better discussion.

Edited January 12, 2019 by ILoveRara

[age3rcm 112]

the most threatening would be the one wich is more probable to be faced by you.

i doubt you will face a melwurk

but i am sure you will encounter a "flim/flam" and/or a diamond tiara on your life

i guess that the scariest moment would be when twilight sparkle stood before the EEA council
because that reflects on being before a judge and lawyer

[RDDash 19,243]

1. Tirek, 2 . Pony of shadows, and 3. Discord. I am sorry but Chrysalis is not on the list.

 

[Espy 4,701]

For me, in no particular order: Cozy Glow, Chrysalis, Sombra, unreformed Starlight Glimmer.

• Cozy Glow was very manipulative to get what she wanted, it seemed like she planned that out for months. She literally used everyone without violence to get to what she wanted. To be fair though, Tirek also had to play Discord that way too for his powers.
• Chrysalis also for the same manipulating + she can disguise herself, but she has to create an alibi which will involve trying to hide the real person she's pretending to be. Identity theft!
• Sombra, already said by Ashen above pretty much, though I don't agree with "lack of apparent ego". S9 Sombra has an ego, though honestly every villain does (well, every person does... ego isn't just "bad" but that's an entirely different topic):

On 2019-01-11 at 12:06 PM, Ashen Pathfinder said:

I'd say King Sombra is probably the strongest largely due to planning, lack of an apparent ego, and general intelligence. Considering he only lost because of Spike and that he had Equestria on the brink during the war without an apparent way to victory; he seems to be the most apparent danger in my eyes.

• Unreformed Starlight Glimmer, the fact that she could've forced Twilight in an endless time loop of trying to make sure something messes up so filly Dash can't do the Sonic Rainboom seems like eternal torture. Imagine, that would've been her limbo just like the Pillars and the Pony Of Shadows.

 

Straight up power though would have to go to Tirek or Discord.

Tirek, when he's got loads of strength, is near impossible to beat. However, it takes time for him to get to that point, so when he's anywhere in between he's a lot easier to defeat.

Discord straight up can do whatever he wants, but only for silly things that he finds funny. Like, he could hurt someone, but I think he'd prefer to make it rain chocolate on them instead  Or annoy them with puns.

[StaryStory 4,179]

I'm pretty surprised that no one here mentioned Grogar yet

I think he could be considered since he was pretty the only one who was documented in story books, others as Tirek or Sombra only were mentioned by Celestia and that's pretty much it, for someone as Grogar to be referenced in books then I believe he must've been truly a huge threat, also, the way Discord pretends to be him, for me it's almost like as he had some respect to the guy.

Also, could be Storm King's army considered? They literally arrested the major part of the ponies including Twilight, transformerd Luna, Celestia and Cadance into stones (or crystals, whatever that is) and struck terror wherever they appeared, during the middle of the final arc of the movie they had kind of practically won, with Storm getting the staff and doing his childplay

I guess it's not considered because it's an army and not a single individual? But didn't Chrysalis had a army too? Tirek got help from Discord, and Cozy kind of got help too, even if it was indirectly.

[Astralshy 29,185]

For me: Cozy, Tirek, Chrysalis

These three are very dangerous and threading.

Pony of darkness is very treading too

Since Starlight was reformed I don't put her in this consideration

Discord is maybe more powerful than these, but not a real villain more a chaotic god of mischief

Sombra is way too arrogant

[Snoopy Fan 7,799]

If we’re counting the comics, then Cosmos. But if we’re not, then Tirek.

[Dawnshine Wonder 2,704]

From what I know of the show, Queen Chrysalis

Tirek is more about brute strength than playing the long game

But contrary to Tirek, Queen Chrysalis actually uses her head in combat in the earlier seasons of the show, if it wasn't for that one misstep in A Canterlot Wedding, it would have been over for Equestrians, Chrysalis would have absolute power, with nobody to challenge her power except a few greedy fools and pockets of resistance here and there, if Mane Six somehow survived, they'd likely join Zecora like in that other timeline in Cutie Remark, however.

Tirek is just a thug who wins by luck and/or raw power, and I would say Tirek underestimating Twilight Sparkle in Twilight's Kingdom was a more embarrassing loss for him than what happened with Queen Chrysalis in A Canterlot Wedding. Tirek had the perfect opportunity to destroy Twilight, and he didn't. At least with the situation with Chrysalis, Chrysalis did not have enough information to go on about her enemies, and she did try to kill Princess Celestia which showed her to be a competent fighter even though Chrysalis was clearly malicious, but Twilight Sparkle had the power of 4 Alicorns in the power against Tirek, 4, surely it is unwise for a villain to take a chance on an enemy who is capable of gathering that much power? but as been said, Tirek is not a strategist in battle, so from his perspective he had no reason to suspect that Twilight Sparkle had another trick up her hoof for the final round with that rainbow power. Twilight Sparkle knew she wasn't dealing with the smartest of enemies and she wilfully took advantage of that with that calculated risk she made with the trade, which gave me a good impression about Twilight's leadership skills.

 

[Night Sky 855]

For me it's a toss up between two candidates.

1.) Tirac / Tirek, because he has been an enemy of ponies since the beginning of Gen 1, and he was already very powerful back then. 

He has the power, the magical abilities, the greed, the callousness, and a lucid if not imaginative intellect to keep him focused. 

Thank goodness Tirac/Tirek didn't have his kick A55 war chariot during his battle with Twilight Sparkle, that infernans en vehiculo is Temperate. Who knows how that battle might have gone if he'd been airborne. 

2.) The Tantabus. I am reminded of the id monster from Forbidden Planet. Remember, an Alicorn Princess is almost a demi-goddess, there was a lot of power behind Princess Luna's thought form, a lot of natural magic gone wrong. 

If the Tantabus had totally and completely broken free of Princess Luna, Equestria would have been cooked. The entire would be like a series of bad hallucinations onboard the Event Horizon, 24/7.

I get the creeps just thinking about it.

Edited May 16 by Night Sky

[Dawnshine Wonder 2,704]

27 minutes ago, Night Sky said:

For me it's a toss up between two candidates.

1.) Tirac / Tirek, because he has been an enemy of ponies since the beginning of Gen 1, and he was already very powerful back then. 

He has the power, the magical abilities, the greed, the callousness, and a lucid if not imaginative intellect to keep him focused. 

Thank goodness he didn't have his kick A55 war chariot during his battle with Twilight Sparkle, that infernans en vehiculo is Temperate. Who knows how that battle might have gone if he'd been airborne. 

2.) The Tantabus. I am reminded of the id monster from Forbidden Planet. Remember, an Alicorn Princess is almost a demi-goddess, there was a lot of power behind Princess Luna's thought form, a lot of natural magic gone wrong. 

If the Tantabus had totally and completely broken free of Princess Luna, Equestria would have been cooked. The entite world of Equestria would be like a series of bad hallucinations onboard the Event Horizon, 24/7.

I get the creeps just thinking about it.

And the fact that Princess Luna was able to absorb Tantabus back into herself despite being a high level reality warper, shows how powerful Princess Luna is, if she hadn't have reformed since the Nightmare Moon debacle at the beginning of the show, she would have absolute rule like in the alternate timeline where she held Spike hostage. Thankfully in the main timeline, Princess Luna has morals, and she demonstrated great courage, to listen to her friends in Do Princesses Dream of Magic Sheep, let go of the self condemnation, which is not easy, not with attempted murder of a sibling I'd imagine as shown in Princess Twilight Sparkle episode in the past, Princess Celestia had forgiven Luna, Luna learned she needed to learn to move on. As somebody who experiences depression and anxiety myself, I can relate to Princess Luna on this issue, guilt is not the easiest thing to recover from, but when that self loathing becomes toxic in a relationship it is important to deal with it, and Luna in MLP did, if I had been her friend I would be very proud of her for finding the strength to listen to her friends and find a healthier way to deal with her mental health problems. She deserves the title Luna is Best Princess, IMO.

[Night Sky 855]

1 minute ago, Dawnshine Wonder said:

And the fact that Princess Luna was able to absorb Tantabus back into herself despite being a high level reality warper, shows how powerful Princess Luna is, if she hadn't have reformed since the Nightmare Moon debacle at the beginning of the show, she would have absolute rule like in the alternate timeline where she held Spike hostage. Thankfully in the main timeline, Princess Luna has morals, and she demonstrated great courage, to listen to her friends in Do Princesses Dream of Magic Sheep, let go of the self condemnation, which is not easy, not with attempted murder of a sibling I'd imagine as shown in Princess Twilight Sparkle episode in the past, Princess Celestia had forgiven Luna, Luna learned she needed to learn to move on. As somebody who experiences depression and anxiety myself, I can relate to Princess Luna on this issue, guilt is not the easiest thing to recover from, but when that self loathing becomes toxic in a relationship it is important to deal with it, and Luna in MLP did, if I had been her friend I would be very proud of her for finding the strength to listen to her friends and find a healthier way to deal with her mental health problems. She deserves the title Luna is Best Princess, IMO.

This is all very close to home for me too. I see it in Princess Luna, and feel it there too. But it strikes home for me the most in unreformed Starlight Glimmer, who several ponies have already mentioned in this thread. I was never as successful as Princess Luna, either before or after she went wrong. Starlight suffered from a very similar wound of envy, sense of rejection, lack of purpose and a feeling that the world had past her by. Unreformed Starlight was a might-have-been who was really a never-was, who used a great deal of talent and ability to carve out a small personal hell for herself and a small group. I am not saying I've done everything Starlight Glimmer had done. But watching her unreformed self is very uncomfortable for me. But that's the genius of MLP generally and FIM in particular. Twilight Sparkle went to work on Starlight, and Discord and Trixie...how would it all have ended if she hadn't? There are very few franchises which offer much in the way of redemption, and maybe none as much as FIM.

[Luciferase 22]

For me, Tirek, Chrysalis and Cozy Glow. In just the one season they worked together, they managed to pretty quickly and efficiently destabilize Equestria to the point of reverting back to it's pre-founding days, right down to the windigos and threat of eternal winter. Had they been a united force way sooner, they likely could've done even more lasting damage since they knew how to especially hit Ponykind right in its weak-points. 

Special mention goes to Discord. With how easily he just toys with the very fabric of reality like it was nothing, Discord, in theory, could do some serious damage if he so wanted or if things got to a certain point. Of course though, that's veering away from canon, since the Discord we got is more of a trickster out to entertain himself versus a literal walking force of destruction, though had FiM not ultimately been a TV-Y show and things were allowed to be more serious, I can imagine Discord having the potential to be a much larger, more dangerous threat