Twilight Sky 449 July 19, 2012 Author Share July 19, 2012 Eh heh, it is not my thread, I just thought I would help out. Feel free ^^ Twilight Sky OC Picture of some friends and me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaporeon 1,168 July 19, 2012 Share July 19, 2012 My Pokemon can evolve, some are ghosts, and some have psychic powers. Does that mean that there sins against god, nature and man alike? Eeveelutions: @Vaporeon: N-Harmonia : Ampharos @Flareon: Descant/Bard @Espeon: Locked @Umbreon: Lhee @Leafeon: Firebolt @Glaceon: Mal @Sylveon: Don'tDropThatDedenne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nouth 496 July 19, 2012 Share July 19, 2012 Is there something in the current ways of the Christian church that you disagree with ? Splendid siggy by Chaotic Dischord, awesome avatar by Suntouched Coco!Ask me anything you want ! You'll make me happy and (most likely) get an answer !Omnia vincit Amor. When the world around you turns gray, stop, and think about rainbows.-->(> How would you describe me ? <(<-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samurshy 708 July 20, 2012 Share July 20, 2012 Is there something in the current ways of the Christian church that you disagree with ? I disagree with the common thought that you have to believe in christ to go to heaven. While I do think it may score you extra points during judgement, I think a person should be judged on who he was. A lot of christians disagree with me and it leads to flame wars, but they are not god so who are they to correct me? I can't believe in a god that would send my best friend Devan to hell just because he doesn't believe in the bible, he is still a good guy, and he still believes in god, he just thinks the bible could have been tampered with during the thousands of years since its creation. I also disagree with excommunication, if someone does something bad (like say commit adultery) and the church finds out about it, they get excommunicated. I think that is garbage, a church is a hospital for sinners, not a hang out for people who 'never sin'. 2 [CLICK THE SIG FOR OC] (Signature created by Azura) Shinobu is best girl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Half-Note 273 July 20, 2012 Share July 20, 2012 I disagree with the common thought that you have to believe in christ to go to heaven. While I do think it may score you extra points during judgement, I think a person should be judged on who he was. A lot of christians disagree with me and it leads to flame wars, but they are not god so who are they to correct me? I can't believe in a god that would send my best friend Devan to hell just because he doesn't believe in the bible, he is still a good guy, and he still believes in god, he just thinks the bible could have been tampered with during the thousands of years since its creation. I also disagree with excommunication, if someone does something bad (like say commit adultery) and the church finds out about it, they get excommunicated. I think that is garbage, a church is a hospital for sinners, not a hang out for people who 'never sin'. The point of Christianity is that we have all sinned and must ask God for forgiveness. Some people may say they haven't but everyone has lied. Almost everyone has looked with lust at another person and need to be forgiving but God can't forgive you if you don't believe in him. The first commandment States that "thou shall have no other gods before me." and by gods he doesn't just mean religious deities he means anything that comes before him. Thus by not believing in him, you have broken his law and now are unable to ask for forgiveness. As for exocommunication. I go to a church that doesn't practice it so...... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samurshy 708 July 20, 2012 Share July 20, 2012 The point of Christianity is that we have all sinned and must ask God for forgiveness. Some people may say they haven't but everyone has lied. Almost everyone has looked with lust at another person and need to be forgiving but God can't forgive you if you don't believe in him. The first commandment States that "thou shall have no other gods before me." and by gods he doesn't just mean religious deities he means anything that comes before him. Thus by not believing in him, you have broken his law and now are unable to ask for forgiveness. As for exocommunication. I go to a church that doesn't practice it so...... while I do agree with you in a sense (these are the same things that spark flame wars on some christian forums I have been on), I still could not fathom seeing a whole bunch of good people (even with the fact that they sinned) get sent to an eternity of hell because of not believing/asking for forgiveness. [CLICK THE SIG FOR OC] (Signature created by Azura) Shinobu is best girl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Sky 449 July 20, 2012 Author Share July 20, 2012 (edited) Ummm I believe he is catholic so he believes "good works" get you into heaven but no matter what you do, the only thing that saves is the forgivness of jesus christ by him dying on the cross...and why should one man on earth claim to be above everyone else aka the pope? Edited July 20, 2012 by Valiant Twilight Sky OC Picture of some friends and me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Half-Note 273 July 20, 2012 Share July 20, 2012 while I do agree with you in a sense (these are the same things that spark flame wars on some christian forums I have been on), I still could not fathom seeing a whole bunch of good people (even with the fact that they sinned) get sent to an eternity of hell because of not believing/asking for forgiveness. I'll try not to get too into this but... Try to think of it this way. If you get a ticket and don't pay the cop has to arrest you/ take your car. He may not want to but it's the law. God doesn't want to send sinners to hell but he has to enforce the law. If you don't ask for forgiveness then you haven't "payed your fine" and he has to send you to hell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I used to be a stranger 7,994 July 20, 2012 Share July 20, 2012 (edited) This post has been redacted by the author. Edited May 3, 2021 by Blue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samurshy 708 July 20, 2012 Share July 20, 2012 Ummm I believe he is catholic so he believes "good works" get you into heaven but no matter what you do, the only thing that saves is the forgivness of jesus christ by him dying on the cross...and why should one man on earth claim to be above everyone else aka the pope? I am not a catholic, I was seventh day adventist, before they excommunicated my uncle for committing adultery. I claim no established religion, just christian, (as in what I interpret from the bible). I kinda think the pope is the antichrist... 1 [CLICK THE SIG FOR OC] (Signature created by Azura) Shinobu is best girl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaporeon 1,168 July 20, 2012 Share July 20, 2012 I kinda think the pope is the antichrist... Worse. He's the Emperor from Star Wars. Eeveelutions: @Vaporeon: N-Harmonia : Ampharos @Flareon: Descant/Bard @Espeon: Locked @Umbreon: Lhee @Leafeon: Firebolt @Glaceon: Mal @Sylveon: Don'tDropThatDedenne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akemi Homura 7,681 July 20, 2012 Share July 20, 2012 Inb4 religious debate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samurshy 708 July 20, 2012 Share July 20, 2012 Worse. He's the Emperor from Star Wars. Okay now that is hilarious! The only reason why I think the pope is the antichrist is because of the things the catholic church has done in the past, creating pagan holidays, and pretty much blatantly rewriting the bible. They are responsible for genocide and sexual immorality. Yup antichrist... 1 [CLICK THE SIG FOR OC] (Signature created by Azura) Shinobu is best girl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Sky 449 July 20, 2012 Author Share July 20, 2012 I am not a catholic, I was seventh day adventist, before they excommunicated my uncle for committing adultery. I claim no established religion, just christian, (as in what I interpret from the bible). I kinda think the pope is the antichrist... Well there is no excommunication but I guess for seventh day adventists there is....but remember as Blue said "All sins are forgivable." Twilight Sky OC Picture of some friends and me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan Rising 2,156 July 20, 2012 Share July 20, 2012 (edited) If you have trouble grasping this, join the club. Welcome to the wonderful world of Christology and Trinitarianism. I actually don't at all, but if that's the explanation you believe it sounds more like Jesus should just be called God and not necessarily the son of God. He would say "Well what if you were in a bad mood and were hungry? Or being shot at?" Christianity asserts that human moral standards are fallible, and therefore should adhere to a standard (Christ's standard) lest we just end up digging deeper graves for ourselves. Well good thing I've pretty much identified my moral standard as the basic standard of Christianity then... The 7 heavenly virtues/7 deadly sins are my moral guidelines. But I do have one question... You say "human moral standards are fallible", what do you mean by this? It sounds like you're suggesting that we aren't born with divine moral standards instilled within us, or even that we're born with false moral standards, and that we would have to look to the Bible to find the correct divine moral standards to believe in. This I can't believe, because that would essentially make the whole point of the concept of free will - being able to choose from right and wrong - meaningless if you don't have access to a Bible, no? I'm much more inclined to believe that we're all born with the knowledge of right and wrong within us and that the Bible is just a way to help us identify them. Edited July 20, 2012 by Hollowshield 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samurshy 708 July 20, 2012 Share July 20, 2012 The only differences from conventional Christianity and seventh day adventism are that you celebrate the sabbath on saturday instead of sunday, and I guess there are excommunications. <--- mind you it might not be called this in the sda church but it is just the same. [CLICK THE SIG FOR OC] (Signature created by Azura) Shinobu is best girl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Half-Note 273 July 20, 2012 Share July 20, 2012 I actually don't at all, but if that's the explanation you believe it sounds more like Jesus should just be called God and not necessarily the son of God. Well good thing I've pretty much identified my moral standard as the basic standard of Christianity then... The 7 heavenly virtues/7 deadly sins are my moral guidelines. But I do have one question... You say "human moral standards are fallible", what do you mean by this? It sounds like you're suggesting that we aren't born with divine moral standards instilled within us, or even that we're born with false moral standards, and that we would have to look to the Bible to find the correct divine moral standards to believe in. This I can't believe, because that would essentially make the whole point of the concept of free will - being able to choose from right and wrong - meaningless if you don't have access to a Bible, no? I'm much more inclined to believe that we're all born with the knowledge of right and wrong within us and that the Bible is just a way to help us identify them. He probably means what the Bible says in that our body wants tosin and sometimes we try to justify sins. Correct me if I'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samurshy 708 July 20, 2012 Share July 20, 2012 I actually don't at all, but if that's the explanation you believe it sounds more like Jesus should just be called God and not necessarily the son of God. Well good thing I've pretty much identified my moral standard as the basic standard of Christianity then... The 7 heavenly virtues/7 deadly sins are my moral guidelines. But I do have one question... You say "human moral standards are fallible", what do you mean by this? It sounds like you're suggesting that we aren't born with divine moral standards instilled within us, or even that we're born with false moral standards, and that we would have to look to the Bible to find the correct divine moral standards to believe in. This I can't believe, because that would essentially make the whole point of the concept of free will - being able to choose from right and wrong - meaningless if you don't have access to a Bible, no? I'm much more inclined to believe that we're all born with the knowledge of right and wrong within us and that the Bible is just a way to help us identify them. Most mainstream Christian beliefs consider Jesus as god on earth. They believe the trinity The God The Son and The holy spirit, are all one in the same thing. [CLICK THE SIG FOR OC] (Signature created by Azura) Shinobu is best girl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One 498 July 20, 2012 Share July 20, 2012 This thread is the #1 athiest attractor in my mind... Soooo... Do you believe that an elderly man built a huge ship, and somehow rounded up 2 of every animal? Seems improbable, unless if he built a raft with the help of his family and brought 2 of each animal from maybe a farm he was living on... This is a signature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samurshy 708 July 20, 2012 Share July 20, 2012 This thread is the #1 athiest attractor in my mind... Soooo... Do you believe that an elderly man built a huge ship, and somehow rounded up 2 of every animal? Seems improbable, unless if he built a raft with the help of his family and brought 2 of each animal from maybe a farm he was living on... Its not a matter of if it is probable it is a matter of faith. Sure a guy building a boat and rounding up 2 of every animal sounds improbable but with the power of god anything is possible. [CLICK THE SIG FOR OC] (Signature created by Azura) Shinobu is best girl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiteshade 1,426 July 20, 2012 Share July 20, 2012 Why did you name the thread "Ask a Christian" and not "Ask Valiant"? Are you trolling? Warning: Signature may cause seizures, owner will sue you if you complain Nothing happens, yet everything changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I used to be a stranger 7,994 July 20, 2012 Share July 20, 2012 (edited) This post has been redacted by the author. Edited May 3, 2021 by Blue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samurshy 708 July 20, 2012 Share July 20, 2012 Why did you name the thread "Ask a Christian" and not "Ask Valiant"? Are you trolling? Hey whiteshade, contrary to popular belief, just because someone opens up about their religion on the internet does not make them a troll. 1 [CLICK THE SIG FOR OC] (Signature created by Azura) Shinobu is best girl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Samurshy 708 July 20, 2012 Share July 20, 2012 It's also highly improbable that the poor uneducated son of a carpenter who never traveled farther than 200km from his home in an obscure border town in the most remote corner of the Roman Empire started a religion with himself as the most important figurehead, that became more populous and influential than any other religion only 500 years later, despite being persecuted more than any other religion, and went on to become the igniter of more social and scientific progress than any other, even to the point of labeling the calendar and being the ethical basis of the most influential country in the world 2000 years later. wizards. There are excommunications even in Evangelical churches, however they are exceptionally rare, and what "excommunication" means in those churches is different from what it means in Catholicism (as far as I know). Catholic excommmunication means under the statement and understanding of the Papacy, said person is barred from heaven and salvation. Evangelical excommunication means under the sentence of the Elders and the Pastor of the specific church facility in question after much deliberation, communication and prayer, said person is banned from attendance of said church facility. Definitely correlates with what happened to my uncle Vahn. Me and my parents were appalled that a church would turn away someone because they have sinned. So we stopped attending, and I have been reading the bible on my own terms ever since. [CLICK THE SIG FOR OC] (Signature created by Azura) Shinobu is best girl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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