movies/tv Daleks vs Borg; who wins?

[Akemi Homura 7,680]

The Borg and Daleks are the most feared enemies encountered in their respective universes - the Borg being a major adversary of the Federation, wanting to assimilate every sentient species to suit their needs, and the Daleks being bent on conquering the universe through mass genocide of all races they encounter. Both races are similar, bent on domination and subjugating any race which they deem to be inferior... although, the Borg are much more forgiving than the Daleks, not actually wanting to kill off races, but instead making them one of their own. Their lives are effectively lost, but they do become a part of something, at least - and not zapped out of existence due to hatred.

 

This all being said... how would the Borg stack up against the Daleks? Daleks would want to burn them to the ground, much like how they started burning down Cybermen in "Doomsday", but I believe the Borg's ability to adapt to various attacks placed upon them would suit VERY well for them - and if a Dalek is assimilated, well... it's the end of the universe as we know it.

[Veiled Enigma 389]

As much as I would want the Daleks to win in this, I would have to agree. The Borg would probably win, sadly.

[Killian Jones 2,655]

It becomes a matter of whether the Borg can assimilate a Dalek before the Daleks can destroy the Borg in a skirmish. And remember, a Cube is a really tough ship and as Seen from [i}VOY: Scorpion Part 1 and Part 2[/i] the Borg don't shy away from sending nearly 20 Cubes to their doom, just to assimilate another species.

 

If they are in canon terms, as many Borg and as many Daleks as the respective shows depict them, then the Borg will very likely win because sheer numbers and adaptability to the Daleks. They will asssimilate a Dalek or a Dalek ship, gain all their knowledge and then steamroll over whichever ones are left.

 

The Borg are more insidious that way, they will quickly adapt, while Daleks rely on their already superior state to win.

[Dundermiffly 27]

My mind has just been blown thinking about this...

 

Assimilation CAN be broken, and I feel like the Daleks would put up quite a fight to begin with. Also, Borgs are more focused on assimilating other races, whereas the sole focus of the Daleks is self-preservation. Look how many times the Daleks came back after being "wiped out". They'd be more than a match for the Borg and just would not let themselves get assimilated.

 

However, if the Borg managed to assimilate Dalek weaponry...well, that might as well be Game Over.

[Doctor XFizzle 8,669]

The Borgs sound similar to the Cybermen in wanting to assimilate others into their own race, but Daleks are superior to Cybermen. The adaptation of the Borgs give them an edge BUT imagine if the Daleks somehow mindtrap The Doctor into assisting them and have him attack the Borgs? Then Daleks win. Then The Doctor destroys the Daleks.

 

So in the end, The Doctor wins.

[Akemi Homura 7,680]

It becomes a matter of whether the Borg can assimilate a Dalek before the Daleks can destroy the Borg in a skirmish. And remember, a Cube is a really tough ship and as Seen from [i}VOY: Scorpion Part 1 and Part 2[/i] the Borg don't shy away from sending nearly 20 Cubes to their doom, just to assimilate another species.

 

The Borg Hub is gigantic. They wouldn't hesitate to send a few cubes for the sole purpose of being destroyed just to study the Daleks and, once a certain amount of time has passed, the Borg will have gained sufficient knowledge enough about Dalek weapons to vastly improve their defenses. Regarding skirmishes, I doubt that would have much effect on the Borg, because as you've said, the Borg are hug in numbers. Even if that did have a big of a dent on Borg defenses (a single Cube houses about 130,000 drones...), a battle would drag on long enough for the Borg to win... because then they would have the technological edge needed to wear out the Daleks quite easily (after assimilation).

 

Unless the Daleks have some means of eradicating the entire collective with a push of a button, then I'd have to say such a scenario would involve the whole process dragging on for quite a while until the Borg easily gain the upper hand - eventually.

Edited July 21, 2012 by Devin McCourty

[Dundermiffly 27]

The Borgs sound similar to the Cybermen in wanting to assimilate others into their own race, but Daleks are superior to Cybermen. The adaptation of the Borgs give them an edge BUT imagine if the Daleks somehow mindtrap The Doctor into assisting them and have him attack the Borgs? Then Daleks win. Then The Doctor destroys the Daleks.

 

So in the end, The Doctor wins.

 

That is a good point. What really matter is what side the Doctor is on. That pretty much decides it.

[Akemi Homura 7,680]

However, if the Borg managed to assimilate Dalek weaponry...well, that might as well be Game Over.

 

Assuming the Borg can make other forms of technology out of weaponry (types of space travel), I'm guessing they could also use Dalek technology to make means of space travel that would be superior to their standard transwarp. Yes, I'm talking about instantaneous travel assuming the Daleks have that sort of stuff. Oh, that and also the ability to create inter-dimensional rifts at will. If that happens, the Borg can really expand their horizons.

[Doctor XFizzle 8,669]

How terrifyingly hilarious (or hilariously terrifying?) is it that one of the most feared races in the sci-fi world has a plunger as an appendage?

Edited July 21, 2012 by Doctor XFizzle

[Akemi Homura 7,680]

How terrifyingly hilarious is it that one of the most feared races in the sci-fi world has a plunger as an appendage?

 

A plunger that can manipulate almost any kind of electronic device, and also perform millions of calculations per second - in that case, yes. Mos def.

Edited July 21, 2012 by Devin McCourty

[Killian Jones 2,655]

The Borgs sound similar to the Cybermen in wanting to assimilate others into their own race, but Daleks are superior to Cybermen. The adaptation of the Borgs give them an edge BUT imagine if the Daleks somehow mindtrap The Doctor into assisting them and have him attack the Borgs? Then Daleks win. Then The Doctor destroys the Daleks.

 

So in the end, The Doctor wins.

 

Actually, comparing the Borg to Cybermen is a gross oversimplification. The Cybermen were created by human technology and only really targets humans (Remember Time Lords are incompatible Doctor Who Series 2 Episode 13). The Cybermen really only care to make all humans cybermen. The Borg however acquire knowledge through assimilation and have acquired a vast amount of it. They will assimilate the Daleks because they are tasty new meat for the Collective. The Cybermen really are not a very powerful or very smart race. The Borg are far more insidious.

[Lostwanderer 367]

Borg win this no problem, their sheilds would adapt to the daleks' fire and just weed them out. Also the thought of Borg getting hold of Daleks is a scary one.

[Vaporeon 1,168]

Neither. Picard [along with the rest of the Enterprise] and The Doctor bust in and kill all of them.