Sun, moon, replace a unicorn

[Nature's Spell 526]

In another thread I mentioned something that's always puzzled me. Why would the Unicorns have given up raising the sun and moon? The Pegasus and Earth Ponies didn't give up their duties: weather and farming.

At first I thought it was done for reasons of scale, perhaps too many Unicorns were needed, but we don't really know how many were required and the other races allow diversity in what ponies do. It maks sense for Unicorns to have job diversity even then. So again why? The simplest answer (it also explains why Celestia and Luna took it over) is that something occurred that prevented most Unicorns from doing it. However, two young Unicorn sisters found a way to do it and gained their cutie marks as a result and perhaps also became Alicorns. If we don't use the catastrophe hypothesis than we are left with nothing to explain it.

 

As a side note, I do use my theory as proof that the sisters were once Unicorns along with the Capitol city being a Unicorn city and Celestia creating a school for gifted unicorns but, it seems, nothing equivalent for the other races.

 

Thoughts?

Edited December 19, 2013 by Nature's Spell

[Scootalove 10,689]

I never understood why the unicorns gave up rising the moon and sun too. My guess is, that the unicorns felt that the Pegasi and Earth Ponies could handle their duties and at first the unicorns thought they could not handle their own duty just yet.

[Nature's Spell 526]

I never understood why the unicorns gave up rising the moon and sun too. My guess is, that the unicorns felt that the Pegasi and Earth Ponies could handle their duties and at first the unicorns thought they could not handle their own duty just yet.

It really is a puzzle because it was the thing that made the unicorns special. It seems that on some level the other races are afraid of the unicorns or at least don't understand them.

[Scootalove 10,689]

It really is a puzzle because it was the thing that made the unicorns special. It seems that on some level the other races are afraid of the unicorns or at least don't understand them.

That explains the diversity that they had between one another because, they didn't know whether to trust one another and so they decided to question why the three races exist in the first place.

[MagicalStarRain 599]

I think it's because raising the sun and moon is like trying to lift up 10 Mount Everest mountains at once. We also have to keep in mind that not all unicorns(only a hooful in fact) have really strong magic. It'd give them tons of strain, whereas an allicorn could do it pretty easily. I suppose with the sisters around, it was easier to relinquish that job.

[~Luminiferous Ether~ 107]

Perhaps an inferiority complex amongst the weaker ones such as in Hurricane Fluttershy.

 

Leaving the cumulative unicorns unable to perform this duty.

 

The other Unicorns didn't wish to make this public, explaining the vagueness and cover stories.

[Metemponychosis 1,262]

My guess is that it was too strenuous even for large numbers of unicorns. When those two appeared and had this talent for raising the sun and the moon, they took it over because it's so easy for them.

 

But I'm guessing that the canon explanation will be a lot different. But considering their cutie marks, this may very well be the case. I just don't think that "just this" fits the bill to make them alicorns. Twilight took a lot of experience and learning

[Frith is Magick 1,471]

Unicorn magic is Equestria's equivalent of technology, and telekinesis allows greater precision than hooves. I assume it would take the constant effort of many Unicorns to move the sun and moon, which would prevent the development of other abilities. Having two Alicorns take over would free Unicorns to pursue other goals, allowing for advances that would benefit all three tribes. Whether Luna and Celestia ascended by mastering the magic of the sun and moon or took responsibility for these bodies after becoming Alicorns is another topic, the key reason for them having the control is efficiency.

[Nature's Spell 526]

Scale could be the reason, but you'd think weather control would be labor intensive too. Luna and Celestia's history is mixed up in this mystery and I do hope one day we find out how.

[pinkiefan1287 610]

Well, not to bring your theory down, but I always heard Celestia and Luna were born alicorns. Could be alicorns that are born, get special abilities that are different from other unicorns.

 

Hard to say what happened to other unicorns for them to lose the power to control the sun and moon. It's also hard to say, why Celestia and Luna became alicorns. Could just be they were the only one who could do it.

[Nature's Spell 526]

Well, not to bring your theory down, but I always heard Celestia and Luna were born alicorns. Could be alicorns that are born, get special abilities that are different from other unicorns.

 

Hard to say what happened to other unicorns for them to lose the power to control the sun and moon. It's also hard to say, why Celestia and Luna became alicorns. Could just be they were the only one who could do it.

I think that's just a fanon idea and making them born Alicorns makes the story a lot less interesting. I think it's fair to say that the sisters are not goddesses and seeing their cutie marks on the tree makes it seem even more likely that they were not born alicorns. The born Alicorns idea is something akin to "ancient aliens", which is a concept I dislike because it gives no credit to the culture in question. I may be proved wrong, but I think it would make them more interesting if Luna and Celestia were once just "regular old unicorns" like another filly we know, and gained their cutie marks by saving their people. Edited December 19, 2013 by Nature's Spell

[Malinter 3,064]

Maybe they couldn't. From the hearths warming story it is apparent that the weather wasn't completely under the pegesi's control, maybe the unicorn tribe influence on the sun and moon was also weaker.

 

As we've seen the sun and moon do rise on there own accord so perhaps its more of delaying a natural process than actually raising them. That might be possible for a group of unicorns working together.

Edited December 19, 2013 by Malinter

[Nature's Spell 526]

Maybe they couldn't. From the hearths warming story it is apparent that the weather wasn't completely under the pegesi's control, maybe the unicorn tribe influence on the sun and moon was also weaker.

 

As we've seen the sun and moon do rise on there own accord so perhaps its more of delaying a natural process than actually raising them. That might be possible for a group of unicorns working together.

At that point none of the races were able to perform their duties, but prior to those events they were. Hopefully one say we'll get an answer because it's the core question of the show I think.

[Malinter 3,064]

At that point none of the races were able to perform their duties, but prior to those events they were. Hopefully one say we'll get an answer because it's the core question of the show I think.

 

Another thing is that the land where the 3 tribes lived was a different place so maybe the weather and the requirements for day and night were different.

[Nature's Spell 526]

Another thing is that the land where the 3 tribes lived was a different place so maybe the weather and the requirements for day and night were different.

Maybe but issues like historic geography, heck geography in general is one of the the shows weak spots.

[pinkiefan1287 610]

I think that's just a fanon idea and making them born Alicorns makes the story a lot less interesting. I think it's fair to say that the sisters are not goddesses and seeing their cutie marks on the tree makes it seem even more likely that they were not born alicorns. The born Alicorns idea is something akin to "ancient aliens", which is a concept I dislike because it gives no credit to the culture in question. I may be proved wrong, but I think it would make them more interesting if Luna and Celestia were once just "regular old unicorns" like another filly we know, and gained their cutie marks by saving their people.

 

Acutely it's not a fandom idea. Lauren Faust acutely said, that they were born alicorns and not unicorns. Now, yes she is not working on the show anymore and the writers can easily change that in an episode and make it wrong. But till I here different I'm going on that. Besides we don't really know anything about alicorns.

 

I don't really see how their cutie marks, being on the tree proves that they were unicorns at some point? They could have been born alicorns and the marks would have still been there.

[PoniesPlease 365]

Maybe there was an event in which the sun and the moon were taken in by something much bigger. Think like how the Everfree Forest operates on its own.

 

There could always be another explanantion of course...

 

[Nature's Spell 526]

Acutely it's not a fandom idea. Lauren Faust acutely said, that they were born alicorns and not unicorns. Now, yes she is not working on the show anymore and the writers can easily change that in an episode and make it wrong. But till I here different I'm going on that. Besides we don't really know anything about alicorns.

 

I don't really see how their cutie marks, being on the tree proves that they were unicorns at some point? They could have been born alicorns and the marks would have still been there.

I have no problem with Lauren, but she wanted a bunch of things that haven't happened so we can't cherry pick what we want to believe. I think it's better to go with what we see in the show and go from there. I didn't say prove but having their cutie marks on a tree that they found makes it less likely that they are all powerful Alicorns. However, I agree that we don't really know.

Maybe there was an event in which the sun and the moon were taken in by something much bigger. Think like how the Everfree Forest operates on its own.

 

There could always be another explanantion of course...

 

ROFL Didn't I say I hated aliens! But maybe, maybe. That's one reason I love Star Trek because in that world humans are the aliens traveling in space and messing with less advanced people. Edited December 19, 2013 by Nature's Spell

[Gary S. 102]

It's all about politics.

An Alicorn shouldn't have a bias towards any pony race. Earth Ponies and pegasi would protest and revolt, if a corrupt unicorn would rule this land and gives his own kind an advantage. Equestria would fall apart very soon.

 

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Edited December 19, 2013 by Gary S.

[Nature's Spell 526]

It's all about politics.

An Alicorn shouldn't have a bias towards any pony race. Earth Ponies and pegasi would protest and revolt, if a corrupt unicorn would rule this land and gives his own kind an advantage. Equestria would fall apart very soon.

 

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You're right and I'm sure Twilight won't have a bias toward Unicorns, or Cadence one toward Pegasu,s or the Earth Ponies that raised her, if you take the novel as canon. We all come from somewhere and every leader has a bias or blind spot. Flaws make us human or pony. Edited December 19, 2013 by Nature's Spell

[sippie 16]

I think it's because raising the sun and moon is like trying to lift up 10 Mount Everest mountains at once.

 

 

Of course it is! You know how heavy those objects are?

[MagicalStarRain 599]

 

Of course it is! You know how heavy those objects are?

Of course I do! Do you think a couple of unicorns would be able to lift those things easily?

 

My point is that that would be how it would feel to a unicorn trying to get that job done and thus would cause much stress. If an allicorn did it, it would be like lifting up a laptop to them.

[sippie 16]

Of course I do! Do you think a couple of unicorns would be able to lift those things easily?

 

My point is that that would be how it would feel to a unicorn trying to get that job done and thus would cause much stress. If an allicorn did it, it would be like lifting up a laptop to them.

 

I see, well they need to work out!

[MagicalStarRain 599]

I see, well they need to work out!

And how many years would it take to get to that level?

[Zygen 6,066]

I never really thought about it much. Seems a bit odd at first.

 

But honestly i think its just because Celestia and Luna have the ability to move the sun and the moon much easier then a bunch of Unicorns, and thus that frees them from spending their time on that to do something else.

 

So maybe it was just convenience.

 

The theory they may have been weakened is a bit of an odd one to get, as it just doesn't make much sense to me. Who weakened them?

 

Maybe Unicorns just lost interest in spending the time to learn the magic necessary to do the moving of the sun and moon.

 

I feel like its just more because Celestia and Luna can do it very easily.