MLP should stop using flash!

[Rarity Paige Belle 1,854]

Wait, Arthur? What? Why Arthur?

 

But, as long as the animation is good. I couldn't care less.

Let me tell you, If I had my way, Arthur would have it's own fandom! Forget 'weird' Al, Arthur's had the likes of Philip Seymour Hoffman, Neil Gaiman and Art Garfunkel on the show!

 

P.S not that I'm bad mouthing FIM. I still think it's a super show. Just let down a bit by the use of flash.

Edited February 26, 2014 by Thomas Rampling123

[Philosoft 32]

Ok one more point then I will be done, I look up the show and there history and found out the real reason  for the change, Aurthor came out September 2 1996 and was made by Marc Brown, it was doing good but between 2004 to 2008 "Postcards from Buster" came out and put the show Aurthor on a hiatus, at that time there was a very quick shift from cell animation "drawn animation" to flash and most of the animators on board where ether replaced or they did not have a lot of knowledge of flash. So when the show came back on 2008 it was full of people that had no idea what they where doing and there still cycling through people, my theory is that still to this day they dont have the right people to use flash and thats why its different or suck. Like I said in the begging of this topic "Dont blame the tools, blame the animator that holds the tool.

[Cyan Blue 946]

Let me tell you, If I had my way, Arthur would have it's own fandom! Forget 'weird' Al, Arthur's had the likes of Philip Seymour Hoffman, Neil Gaiman and Art Garfunkel on the show!

 

P.S not that I'm bad mouthing FIM. I still think it's a super show. Just let down a bit by the use of flash.

 

Lol, you're pretty funny, good one.

[Rarity Paige Belle 1,854]

As I said before. I just don't like flash.

With FIM and Arthur I just grin and bear it because apart from flash they're good shows.

[Philosoft 32]

Sorry, even though FIM does look good, my opinions will always be based on Arthur. Unlike Bronies, I grew up with Arthur, have EVERY episode saved to a hard drive and it upsets me to see it desecrated by a cheap animation method.

 

 

Ok one more point then I will be done, I look up the show and there history and found out the real reason  for the change, Aurthor came out September 2 1996 and was made by Marc Brown, it was doing good but between 2004 to 2008 "Postcards from Buster" came out and put the show Aurthor on a hiatus, at that time there was a very quick shift from cell animation "drawn animation" to flash and most of the animators on board where ether replaced or they did not have a lot of knowledge of flash. So when the show came back on 2008 it was full of people that had no idea what they where doing and there still cycling through people, my theory is that still to this day they dont have the right people to use flash and thats why its different or suck. Like I said in the begging of this topic "Dont blame the tools, blame the animator that holds the tool.

Sorry should of multi-quote this in the first place.

 I guess your just going to stick to that opinion, it does not matter I was just giving you the other half of the story.

[Rarity Paige Belle 1,854]

So how do you feel about Flash in shows that are not Arthur?

To be honest, if it wasn't FIM or Arthur, I probably wouldn't watch a show if it was in flash.

[Wind Chaser 4,768]

Sorry, even though FIM does look good, my opinions will always be based on Arthur. Unlike Bronies, I grew up with Arthur, have EVERY episode saved to a hard drive and it upsets me to see it desecrated by a cheap animation method.

I too grew up with Arthur, but Flash is a tool, and it depends on who uses it.

 

Arthur is animated by 9Story Entertainment out of Toronto. The same studio that was fired early in the first season of Pound Puppies, causing a half-season-long hiatus for that show. They were later replaced there by DHX Media Vancouver, obviously the same studio that animates MLP: FiM. If you look at an early episode of Pound Puppies side-by-side with a later episode, you will see a noticeable stiffness to 9Story's work versus the light, bouncy style of DHX Vancouver. Ironically, the original studio that animated Arthur was bought up by DHX, leading to an expiration of the original contract.

 

I would get out to take a look at more different shows before forming an opinion on different styles. My opinion on Flash as an animation style is that it can be great, but not enough people know how to use it to its full potential yet. MLP is an example of one team that is pushing Flash's limits.

 

BTW, Adobe can suck it. I hear their products are expensive and require frequent updates. I've never used them because I CAN'T FREAKIN' AFFORD THEM! Plus, Flash no longer supports Android. Strike 3, buddy. I've joined Team HTML5.

Edited February 27, 2014 by pegasusexpress2010

[GONEFOREVER 518]

Flash definitely works well for MLP. I won't diss your opinion, but arthur is one of the few examples in which it did go downhill because of flash.

[FoxyCryptid 4,330]

One of the main accomplishments of the show is how they've utterly ANNIHILATED the preconceived notion and stereotype that flash animated cartoons always look like cheap garbage and done things that put some high-quality traditional animation to shame with the show. To throw all that away and let the skills these animators have developed with the program sit and rot would be a waste.

 

Yes, the little bit of the new flash animated seasons of Arthur I've seen look like shit. As someone who grew up with the first few seasons seeing one for the first time floored me and made me go "holy shit, what have you people done?" but that's more due to laziness than the medium.

 

Also, I just started a College course in Flash...

Edited March 1, 2014 by Shoboni

[Thrashy 2,800]

Sorry, even though FIM does look good, my opinions will always be based on Arthur. Unlike Bronies, I grew up with Arthur, have EVERY episode saved to a hard drive and it upsets me to see it desecrated by a cheap animation method.

 

"Cheap"? I'm sorry, but that statement speaks to me of some pretty extreme levels of ignorance on the subject of how much effort and skill goes into Flash animation...or any animation method, come to think of it. I think I can safely assume that you've never dabbled in any extensive amount of animation yourself, but to put it quite simply, your personal dislike of Flash as an animation method does not cheapen the work that goes into it. To claim otherwise would be just as asinine as saying that one genre of music is objectively inferior to another, simply because it doesn't employ the instrumental or vocal styles you personally enjoy.

 

But since you seem to harbor the thought that traditional always = better, perhaps you'd care to justify the shoddy nature of the hand-drawn '80s incarnation of MLP? Comparing that and FiM side-by-side, I'm not sure I can bring myself to agree with your assertion that FiM's animation comes off as "cheap", at least by comparison to its predecessor.

[Shanks 10,816]

I have worked with flash before and I can say firsthand that it can do a lot of really cool stuff and if you will look at the animation of this show, it is gorgeous. There are advantages and disadvantages to hand drawn and flash, but flash seems to work quite well for G4 so I don't really see any reason to change it. G5 could have a hand drawn cartoon and so long as it retains the quality of G4 I will watch it, but while animation can compliment a story it is not the only way the story is told. If FIM didn't have the well written and relatable characters it did than it wouldn't even matter what kind of animation it had.

[Philosoft 32]

"Cheap"? I'm sorry, but that statement speaks to me of some pretty extreme levels of ignorance on the subject of how much effort and skill goes into Flash animation...or any animation method, come to think of it. I think I can safely assume that you've never dabbled in any extensive amount of animation yourself, but to put it quite simply, your personal dislike of Flash as an animation method does not cheapen the work that goes into it. To claim otherwise would be just as asinine as saying that one genre of music is objectively inferior to another, simply because it doesn't employ the instrumental or vocal styles you personally enjoy.

 

But since you seem to harbor the thought that traditional always = better, perhaps you'd care to justify the shoddy nature of the hand-drawn '80s incarnation of MLP? Comparing that and FiM side-by-side, I'm not sure I can bring myself to agree with your assertion that FiM's animation comes off as "cheap", at least by comparison to its predecessor.

Trust me I try to give a reasonable argument, he really dont like flash animation on anything. I try to explain that you cant blame the tool for the animators style and skill but whatever.

Edited February 27, 2014 by Brony 4 Dead

[mars 4,862]

Sorry, even though FIM does look good, my opinions will always be based on Arthur. Unlike Bronies, I grew up with Arthur, have EVERY episode saved to a hard drive and it upsets me to see it desecrated by a cheap animation method.

Arthur and MLP are two different things. You can't really compare two different things, and you certainly can't base your opinion on something that has nothing to do with MLP.

Also, I grew up with Gen 3, but Flash definitely did MLP favors.

[Megas 27,742]

Why should it? The show actually does a good job with Flash

Edited February 27, 2014 by Megas75

[Castle Bleck 19,376]

It's like people focusing more on the color of the wall than the person actually in front of it.

 

Edited February 27, 2014 by Anti-Villain

[Freewave 1,145]

Okay, apart from the fact that Arthur's an aardvark, it's totally realistic. No magic, no evil doer's, just kids having fun in a average American city. Plus it's got an MLP parody!

 

Really? They did one? Clip? I'm still disappointed that South Park has yet to do one.

[Rarity Paige Belle 1,854]

Really? They did one? Clip? I'm still disappointed that South Park has yet to do one.

In fact MLP has been mentioned in a number of episodes as My Fluffy Unicorn.

D.W. has a toy alicorn called Uni.

[Philosoft 32]

It's like people focusing more on the color of the wall than the person actually in front of it.

 

This topic in a nutshell!

[Flutter's lover <3 8,206]

Why? Flash works great for MLP.

 

I probably wouldn't of gotten into MLP, If it wasn't flash. As that was the first thing that caught my eye. Was the very well done animation of the show.

 

Some shows got better looking once they switched to flash....like The Simpsons. It's all in how the animators use it. In the instance of Arthur, sounds like the animators just got lazy.

[Scootalove 10,689]

You have a problem with Flash animation, but it's how it is executed depending on the show. Flash animation is one of the most remarkable things that animation has to offer, if the animation is a problem to you then you don't have to watch the show.

 

It's that simple, the thing is there is nothing wrong with the animation.

[SasQ 1,379]

@, first you projected your bitchy girlfriend onto Rarity. Now you're projecting the ruining of your favorite cartoon by Flash onto MLP:FiM. Maybe you should take off your filthy glasses and see the world what it really is instead of how it looks through your glasses? I assure you it will appear more beautiful then. 

Edited February 28, 2014 by SasQ

[Castle Bleck 19,376]

Yes... MLP should stop using "Flash"...

 

Edited February 28, 2014 by Anti-Villain

[Tigerpop198 696]

No, flash animation is great on the show. Personally I don't think of any other way.

[Flutter's lover <3 8,206]

Yes... MLP should stop using "Flash"...

 

 

 

I could care less about Flash, he didn't steal MY waifu. 

[Remi 1,309]

Flash animation is a commonly used form of animation in [modern] cartoons. My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic is fine with being created in Adobe Illustrator/Flash. If only the animators knew how to do it cleanly.