Keeping MLP innocent.

[Zhortac 1,474]

You know the biggest problem with this entire subject is?

 

http://www.horse-news.net/2014/05/equestrian-states-secede-from-fandom.html

 

It causes stuff like this.

[purple.teal 50]

I think the heart of this topic is in the right place. But the innocence being searched for is impossible, to have something grow and remain "pure" at the same time is impossible. (Using Zerg as a purity of essence does not count.) That is why bureaucracy exists. 

[Shanks 10,816]

http://www.horse-news.net/2014/05/equestrian-states-secede-from-fandom.html

 

 

If they don't want anything to do with "bronies" than that is fine with me, I hope they enjoy their circle jerk.

[Argumedies 1,748]

You know the biggest problem with this entire subject is?

 

http://www.horse-news.net/2014/05/equestrian-states-secede-from-fandom.html

 

It causes stuff like this.

That was extreamly funny in a very amusing way.

 

Okay, let's talk innocence...

 

As an advocate of the neutral side I can see and respect any notion of wanting and keeping everything on the up and up, cutisy smotchy side of things. But in all honesty, I find that booring.

 

You know what really brought me back into pony and the new brony craze? It was that light hearted jib of contrast that the non innocents side dared to do.

 

(Everyone knows this scene but I don't have a clip)

 

The first price of G4 pony stuff I had ever seen was a PMV (can't remembere which) but it showed the scene from S1 Dog and Pony Show where Rarity gets her butt smacked...

 

And I was like "holy crap!... that was allowed on a children's show!

 

In this day and age where a woman can bring on a sexual assault law suit in the blink of an eye and Hasbro allowed that... that took balls.

 

But they can do that because their ponies... not human. You'd never see them do that to EQG Rarity

 

And that as I believe is what drove so many into this fandom. Was its nature of not playing innocent from the beginning.

[Justin_Case001 4,896]

As long as there are people out there that feel weird about clop, I think it's worth creating a dialogue about it. It is important to start threads like this every now and then to check in with ourselves and make sure we have fully explored the issue. It's an issue worth some analysis and questioning on the part of the cloppers and the non-cloppers alike. For example, whenever I stumple upon clop that upsets me, I always ask myself "Why did it upset me?" I check in with myself constantly to make sure I'm not making snap judgements simply based on my personal preferences. Likewise, whenever cloppers are turned on by clop, it's probably important to ask yourself, "Why does this turn me on so much?" It's good to check in with yourself to make sure your intentions are positive and not degrading to anyone or harmful in any way.

This is one of the wisest things I have ever read on the entirety of the internet, period.  Asking why, and checking in with yourself to avoid snap decisions, as you described, is one of the best things we can do throughout our entire lives.  Stopping for a moment and asking yourself these kinds of questions is how we grow and improve as people.  It's how minds are changed for the better.  If everyone made a habit of asking themselves basic questions like these, I believe the world would be a much better place.  For instance, if a brony hater stopped and genuinely asked him/herself, "Why exactly do I hate?", they might in fact realize they have no valid answer.  Throughout my entire life, I have never stopped reevaluating myself and asking myself questions like this, and it has allowed me to ever evolve for the better.  Every time I think I have everything figured out, I reevaluate something, learn something, and see something from a different perspective.  This is how we open our eyes and our minds.

[Justin_Case001 4,896]

Ok, I slept on this, and decided it's time to speak my peace on this once and for all.  Truthfully, I have avoided this issue since the day I arrived, simply because if I go down this road, I have to finish it, and it's a daunting task.  But I have to square with it eventually.  No time like the present.  Let's do this thing.

 

When I first became a brony, I had a long, engauging chat with my mother about this topic.  We talk about everything, and we enjoy delving into this kind of thing.  I'll basically reiterate what we talked about.

 

If I'm going to do this, I have to start from the beginning, and circle back.  Alright, the way I see it, brony haters break down into two groups.  Group A are the trolls and the narrow minded, intolerant folks who just hate because they can't open their minds to anything outside of their narrow stereotypes and traditions that they are used to.  Those people, we can all just ignore.  Group B are the parents who say, "I hate bronies because my young daughter can't search for MLP wallpaper without finding porn."  That group has a valid argument, and I understand and am sympathetic to their plight.  However, it is obviously unfair to hate a whole group because of some of its members.

 

That said, I want to share a revalation I had.  I believe that with true tolerance comes responsibility.  People that hate the adult-themed MLP content want the show to stay innocent, and wish that said content could be somehow banned.  But this is not possible, and also not fair.  The creative process cannot be inhibited.  It must be tolerated, and thus, it comes down to individual responsibility to handle it.  Parents must educate themselves and be aware of what exists, and must exercise responsibility to monitor and restrict what their child has access to.  I gather that many parents would rather not have to do this, as it takes a lot of effort.  But this is how the world works.  A parent cannot let their child have free and uninhibited access to the internet, and then complain when they find something inappropriate.  It is each individual's right to create what they want, be it porn or grimdark or what have you.  Parents need to filter this content and personally approve what their child sees.  To those parents, I say, yes, it sucks.  I get it.  But this is what must be done.  This is the world we live in.  We cannot ban media because some find it offensive, or because parents want the internet to be a safe playground for their children.  That's not how social change works.  When I was young, all my mother had to teach my brother and I was "don't take candy from strangers".  Mine was the last generation like that.  It's a different world now, and we all have a responsibility to tolerate and respect others' right to create.  And with that tolerance comes the responsibility of knowing where adult media will be, and how to protect children until they are old enough to handle it.

 

I myself am simply not offended by any media, such as the adult MLP content.  The only thing that offends me is if someone is hateful and intolerant of others.  Besides that, nothing really bothers me.  Porn?  Gore?  Whatever.  I have no problem with it because it's not hurting me.  Each individual has the right to create it, and it's my choice whether or not to look at it.  It doesn't change or ruin the show for me.  It doesn't really have any effect on me at all.

 

The show is still innocent.  That hasn't changed.  The internet is not, has never been, will never and can never be innocent.  But what one person creates does not need to ruin the show for anyone else.  We all have a choice of what to look at and not look at.  We must respect and tolerate, and be responsible.

 

Alright.  Done.  Peace spoken.  And, hopefully, that will be my last word on this subject.  Hmm.  That didn't take as long as I thought.  Horray!  That means time for more Warframe!

[NinjaPomeranian 143]

I understand what you mean,and well,people are free to like this show for various reasons.You may find that the innocence is perfect,but other fans of the show may not think the same.And is freedom for them to draw/animate/write/whatnot stuff like that if they want to.And the "what about the children" well,you see,mostly of the children don't know how to handle the internet and therefore they need a parent to watch over what they do(useless the children is 12-13 years old or can handle it on his/her own,which is rare).And let's face it,Hasbro had put adult-like jokes in the show,so yeah.

[GreyScholar 1,584]

To answer your question if I agree, than I'm kinda on the fence about it. Yes some stuff (coughMolestiacough) can stray pretty far from innocent. But the fact that something as pure as Equestria and be twisted as it has in works such as "Cupcakes" or "Rainbow Factory

I would, without hesitation, say that Cupcakes, Rainbow Factory and Lil Miss Rarity are worse than Ask Princess Molestia..

 

Though this goes into me seeing Molly as a nynphomaniac princess that enjoyed embarrassing those around her NOT a rapist or danger molester. A Lovable Sex Manic as the trope goes.

Edited June 20, 2014 by EquestrianScholar

[NinjaPomeranian 143]

I do not agree....Adult content has their place in any fandom...and to stop that is kinda hypocritical (hope I'm using it right this time) 

While i do  not like R34 images,i think it's sick despite how talented the art is (I've seen it don't judge)

I like some the grimdark...MOST

and it's kinda the Parent's job to either use Parental control programs or monitor their use of the internet and i roll my eyes everytime a mother or father complains that their son/daughter saw something they should've

I so agree with you.And yes,some of the gore/clop/whatnot things related just,Are made by really talented people and you have to give them credit at least for that.

And true about the parental control.I have internet since I was like 8 and my dad always checked what I do(I did pretty nothing but to play some dress-up games honestly,but still).

[Dead account67902568 119]

i know what you all mean,you should not cover the internet with sexual and mature content especially if this is a little girls show,i mean who knows,a little girl goes on the internet,see those stuff gets curious and ends up hatting mlp for life due to some asshole's work!

[NinjaPomeranian 143]

i know what you all mean,you should not cover the internet with sexual and mature content especially if this is a little girls show,i mean who knows,a little girl goes on the internet,see those stuff gets curious and ends up hatting mlp for life due to some asshole's work!

Because if seen by some as a little girls show it doesnt mean you must not draw/write gore and adult themes.Is their choice what they want to draw/write/etc.

Is not the fandoms fault that the parents of that little girl are irresponsible and don't watch over what their daughter sees(either by direct checking or using special softwares)

And really,just because she/he draw/write/etc something that is not innocent doesnt make him/her a asshole

[kelseymarie805 301]

I agree with you on this completely but, people do like what they like, if they enjoy the mature content that's put out then, that's good for them I suppose, I don't see any reason to "not" have it, I mean I'm not crazy about it but, it's going to happen whether people like it or not, it will with any fandom, so, all I have to is for those of us who enjoy the innocence of the show, and don't like the mature stuff, we can just stay away from it. As well as keep it away from children who watch the show because well, with some kids if they saw that, it might make it much less enjoyable to watch.

[Silver Letter 1,832]

I can agree that various fan material inspired by the show does not do justice to what it stands for. Perhaps in a way, it would be best to create a different sort of project that does not use ponies if the purpose of the show is not reflected at all?

[Arctic Night 884]

This made me really sad, because it's true. But it's not the edgy fan art I'm worried about.

 

Anyone who doesn't understand; all I have to say is this. Watch Pinkie Apple Pie. Then watch The Ticket Master. It just feels different. The show wasn't aware of the older fanbase in S1, so it was more innocent. Then, in S4, you have the fight scenes and Applebloom singing her parody of "Twilightlicious," and it's just not the same. 

Edited June 20, 2014 by Star Stripe

[Argumedies 1,748]

This made me really sad, because it's true. But it's not the edgy fan art I'm worried about.

 

Anyone who doesn't understand; all I have to say is this. Watch Pinkie Apple Pie. Then watch The Ticket Master. It just feels different. The show wasn't aware of the older fanbase in S1, so it was more innocent. Then, in S4, you have the fight scenes and Applebloom singing her parody of "Twilightlicious," and it's just not the same. 

now your right on one thing, i wish they would stop with the shout outs. to me its more distracting from the show itself 

[88888888888888888888 129]

I was going to post a long, long reply about how I agree and disagree, especially, about your post.

 

But then I refreshed on accident.

 

So now I'll just say this:

 

You realize most of us are not within the ages of 2-11, correct?

 

 

I'm going to let you know right now; I do not support NSFW content. Don't think that's why I responded this way.

 

Edited June 20, 2014 by RailOfFire

[Arctic Night 884]

I was going to post a long, long reply about how I agree and disagree, especially, about your post.

 

But then I refreshed on accident.

 

So now I'll just say this:

 

You realize most of us are not within the ages of 2-11, correct?

 

 

I'm going to let you know right now; I do not support NSFW content. Don't think that's why I responded this way.

 

You realize there are other things that I may find questionable about the fandom than just clop, correct?

[88888888888888888888 129]

i know what you all mean,you should not cover the internet with sexual and mature content especially if this is a little girls show,i mean who knows,a little girl goes on the internet,see those stuff gets curious and ends up hatting mlp for life due to some asshole's work!

I seriously doubt that.

 

Also, it's the parents' fault if their kid sees something like that.  They're supposed to have Parental Controls on, or be watching their 5 year old daughter going on the computer.

 

Besides, I highly doubt a 5 year old girl would click on a link that says something like,

Rainbow Dash and Applejack Expressing their Feelings (NSFW CONTENT)

(It's the first thing I could think of without exaggerating.)

 

 

Even so, I don't think she would know what they'd be doing.

 

Even more so, I highly doubt that a 5 year old girl would be on a site like that, or even looking up "My Little Pony Pictures".

 

I would imagine they'd simply look for games on Hasbro's website or something.

 

 

(Plus, you'd think that, by now, the parents would at least know of the Internet's dangers, and even the fandom, by now.)

You realize there are other things that I may find questionable about the fandom than just clop, correct?

I was talking to OP, but I guess I'm talking to you, now.

 

I wasn't talking about clop. I was talking about clop, violence, and generally adult content in general.

 

We're not in the range of 2-11 years old, the indended audience.

 

I just put down that small spoiler so people didn't think I replied that answer simply because I like NSFW content, which I don't.

Some people'd most likely say something like,

"Oh, you must like clop then, that's the only reason why you like it. You're such a pervert."

(Trust me, I've seen people.)

 

No, I don't like NSFW content, and nor do I support going for it. I'm fine with the people who enjoy it, and I'm not disgusted at people who like that content, but it's not for me.

Edited June 20, 2014 by RailOfFire

[Arctic Night 884]

I was talking to OP, but I guess I'm talking to you, now.

 

I wasn't talking about clop. I was talking about clop, violence, and generally adult content in general.

 

We're not in the range of 2-11 years old, the indended audience.

 

I just put down that small spoiler so people didn't think I replied that answer simply because I like NSFW content, which I don't.

I see what you're saying. I agree. Cartoon blood is not that bad.

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Edited June 29, 2015 by RehloffFir39238_

[11111111111111111111 146]

Thank you. Fan art is fine, so are fanfictions, I guess.

Creepypastas may seem; well, creepy, but they're there for a reason. If people want to view them, then they can view them.

It doesn't mean a 3 year old kid has to watch "Cupcakes" or "Smile HD".

 

 

We've got the Boondocks, Family Guy, Futurama, and so many other adult cartoons, and then we've got this guy who's complaining about adult content. Sure, I like MLP's innocence as much as any other guy, but it doesn't mean people can't do what they want with it.

Well if you look at my post I never state that I think MLP adult content or adult content of any kind should not exists, I enjoy a good Gory Zombie movie, just not when it is related to MLP. I was just stating that I do not like it and I personally think it takes away from the show. I also understand that the large majority of bronies are adults and are mature enough to handle content like this. I merely wished to state my opinion on the matter and see if other people felt the same way. 

 

Also I agree with you on the children subject. First, even without safe search on, 99% of the time you are looking up my little pony stuff you don't see any NSFW, as long as you are searching stuff like, rainbow dash wallpaper or Rarity and Applejack playing, it does not really show up. That is not to say an image or two won't pop up now and then, but over all its not that bad. Second if you take the 2 minutes to turn safe search on it happens even less, almost not at all, Google has fairly good filters. Finally If a child does see an unsavory image, it's not like that child is going to be scared for the rest of their life and need consoling, They maybe a little freaked out and ask their parents about it, but it's not like that one picture will affect the rest of their life. 

[88888888888888888888 129]

Well if you look at my post I never state that I think MLP adult content or adult content of any kind should not exists, I enjoy a good Gory Zombie movie, just not when it is related to MLP.

 

Well you just proved my point there, my good sir. But yes, I didn't mean of any kind. Could be seen as an exaggeration, or from others as well.

 

 

Also I agree with you on the children subject. First, even without safe search on, 99% of the time you are looking up my little pony stuff you don't see any NSFW, as long as you are searching stuff like, rainbow dash wallpaper or Rarity and Applejack playing, it does not really show up. That is not to say an image or two won't pop up now and then, but over all its not that bad. Second if you take the 2 minutes to turn safe search on it happens even less, almost not at all, Google has fairly good filters. Finally If a child does see an unsavory image, it's not like that child is going to be scared for the rest of their life and need consoling, They maybe a little freaked out and ask their parents about it, but it's not like that one picture will affect the rest of their life. 

 

Thank you.

 

But to be honest, your original post could easily be seen as a "mature fan content" rant. We get a lot of those, and they easily turn annoying.

 

For example, have you ever seen posts on forums where parents exaggerate and state just how terrible bronies are?

 

"Bronies are pedophiles! My child has been scarred for life and needs counseling, and is in the hospital RIGHT NOW in life support because she cannot breathe of fear! You have disrupted my child's life, and I demand a refund! You are all 30 year old virgins!"

 

 

Something along those lines easily go throughout the brony fandom, simply where parents rant about their child's "loss".

Sure, I'm exaggerating this quote, but not much. Stuff like this really does get let out into the fandom. In fact, if I wanted to, I could easily search up something and get complaints like this.

 

To be honest, "Oh, look at that; another 'mature fan content' rant." was a true comment.

For example, you stated that, while ponies kissing and threatening somepony with a sword would be fine, blood on a sword would not.

(In which brings me back to Smile HD.)

If I'm going to do this, I have to start from the beginning, and circle back.  Alright, the way I see it, brony haters break down into two groups.  Group A are the trolls and the narrow minded, intolerant folks who just hate because they can't open their minds to anything outside of their narrow stereotypes and traditions that they are used to.  Those people, we can all just ignore.  Group B are the parents who say, "I hate bronies because my young daughter can't search for MLP wallpaper without finding porn."  That group has a valid argument, and I understand and am sympathetic to their plight.  However, it is obviously unfair to hate a whole group because of some of its members.

This, definitely this post.

Edited June 20, 2014 by RailOfFire