Shanks 10,816 January 21, 2014 Share January 21, 2014 Bronies shouldn't apologize for them. They should say their acts are deplorable and stick to it instead of this "every fandom has bad seeds" as an excuse to "tolerate" their behavior. Maybe, but what does it accomplish to constantly point the finger at people even if those people are doing something bad? Saying that every fandom has bad seeds is in most cases not an effort to excuse the behavior but an acknowledgement that while it isn't exactly good behavior it isn't worth getting worked up over the actions of a few. I think that a lot of people just see so much of the bad that they forget the good and exagerate just how much of the bad there really is. They want to not have to not give a damn, but also not face criticism. You can't have both pieces of the cake though. Yes some do, I was that way in high school albeit not about ponies but about other things which I was being fun of but eventually evolved to the point where I actually sincerely don't on those things and never did about what people thought of me being into ponies to begin with. If you fap to cartoon horses, people are going to look down on you for it. There's no way around it, and when you try to either justify/defend/ignore it, you will be judged as well. People judge each other for all sorts of reasons but it dosen't always mean that their judgments are just or fair. And yes you can be in the middle on this matter you can choose to not partake in pony porn without demonizing or scapegoating cloppers. Not agreeing with something yet not judging others for partaking in it is not an endorsement it is merely an ackowledgement of "this is not my cup of tea but I have no right to judge others who like it." If people want to look down on me for being a clopper than that is on them not me because I have made a conscious choice to not let it bother me because many of these judgments come from deep seated insecurities about sexuality which I am grateful to not have. That dosen't mean I think it is okay to post it where it dosen't belong or that I am going to go out of way to tell everyone, but I don't see why I should care. Rarity Get's Cockroaches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Occasus 14 January 21, 2014 Share January 21, 2014 (edited) Just what I think about it so no need to get upset...If "Brony's" (I myself am not sure if I want to call myself a Brony yet but in the near future it's very likely to happen) would listen to what the show teaches (Love and tolerance etc, everypony) there would be no problem I think. Like someone goes apesh*t about Brony's ofcourse many people will start to argue but if they would just not care and would leave that guy alone there should be no problem with it. Guys, it's just some random people being angry about it for whatever reason (hating it, trolling, being bored, being angry because of something else and searching for something to leave their hate). So no need to answer them. As for real life it's the same, till someone does physical things, then it is a case for the police and the like. We like the show, it's our thing. They don't like the and/or Brony's, it's their thing...Edit: As for the: "you watch the show, you're a Brony" part. Thats like calling someone a Nazi because he doesn't like jews (which is still pretty bad and ill in my eyes...) Nazis are more than just people that don't like jews (not in a good way...) Edited January 21, 2014 by Dr. Daniel Dash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest January 21, 2014 Share January 21, 2014 Maybe, but what does it accomplish to constantly point the finger at people even if those people are doing something bad? Saying that every fandom has bad seeds is in most cases not an effort to excuse the behavior but an acknowledgement that while it isn't exactly good behavior it isn't worth getting worked up over the actions of a few. I think that a lot of people just see so much of the bad that they forget the good and exagerate just how much of the bad there really is. This isn't the problem. The problem is instead of either saying "yeah that crap is gross, I don't understand it." They say "Every fandom has bad seeds" as if that suddenly excuses it. It creates the image that they are supporting it when they say stuff like "everyone has their thing" or try to make it sound like it's not a big deal. That's the problem: underplaying. When you underplay it, it gives the impression that you are supporting it because you want to make it out to not be a big issue. When people ask me about the clop deal, I say that I do not support it, or understand it. I do not even give an inkling of the idea that I am okay with it. Do I find sexual humor funny? Sure. Do I say "every fandom DOES have porn artists"? Totally. However there is nothing I can say that can justify the amount that exist in the brony community. It's too high, far too high. MLP porn has more or less become the most drawn cartoon porn there is right now, and to say that is not a problem, well you have wool over your eyes. There is a difference between "every fandom has bad seeds" and trying to deny that the bad seeds are growing and making up too much of a fandom. Sadly in this world, having rules and restrictions is the only way to garner respect. If bronies want to have an open fandom where all are able to join free of any sort of criticism, then they can have that, but if they want a fandom that will be respected far more than it is, they can have that. They can't have both. You can't create a group with no restrictions, no criticism and no threshold of quality and expect it not to quickly devolve. There is a reason why other fandoms are not as bad as this one, it's because criticism is not discouraged. People are encouraged to moderate each other and say "hey, dude you're acting really stupid right now", when people are legitimately behaving in a deplorable manner. When other groups have issues with a few "bad" members, they isolate them. They make sure to disassociate themselves with those members entirely. They know how to discourage the behavior so that the incidents are few, so it's easier to brush them under the rug. You can't brush being one of the most searched porn on one of the most popular animated porn sites on the net. You can't brush stupid petitions for things like trying to change the national anthem to the MLP theme which were submitted on a serious website (yes, this happened). You can only brush so much under the rug before you are forced to actually sweep the crap up and put it in the garbage. Bronies need to decide what they want: an open fandom where everything is tolerated, or a fandom that is respected. You aren't getting both, this isn't a perfect world. Yes some do, I was that way in high school albeit not about ponies but about other things which I was being fun of but eventually evolved to the point where I actually sincerely don't on those things and never did about what people thought of me being into ponies to begin with. Isn't that the point though? You can either try to improve the situation or not give a shit. Those are your choices, but if you don't want to improve the situation, but still want to give a shit, you'll find yourself disappointed for quite a while. People judge each other for all sorts of reasons but it dosen't always mean that their judgments are just or fair. It doesn't have to be fair. You aren't going to suddenly get people to judge people fairly, so it might be smarter to shoot for more realistic goals. There has never been a time in history where the entire world and every person in it judged everyone else fairly. And yes you can be in the middle on this matter you can choose to not partake in pony porn without demonizing or scapegoating cloppers. Scapegoating implies they are innocent for the problem. Since we know that "anti-bronies" often use cloppers and porn to justify their hate, we know they are the problem in terms of image. Secondly, these people have been given too much of a free pass, and I think you're trying to not accept that. Cloppers and porn artists have been given so much of a free pass that it's considered "intolerant" to not want that stuff by many. We have people who literally will call you "closed-minded" for not liking or not encouraging porn art. People who will tell you that the fact that MLP is the most searched thing on R34 is not something to be concerned about. People are literally telling me at times that when I say I don't like pony porn that I am "putting down" cloppers by not associating myself with them. It's reaching levels where you are almost "required" to associate with them or you are not being "tolerant". Not agreeing with something yet not judging others for partaking in it is not an endorsement it is merely an ackowledgement of "this is not my cup of tea but I have no right to judge others who like it." Who told you that? I have every right to judge people based upon what they like. What you like is your decision, and I have every right to judge you based upon your decisions and actions. Now does that mean I do not see R34 and laugh, nope. I have seen plenty of R34 that doesn't bug me because sometimes it can be good when used sparingly. Freedom of speech means I have the right to judge others for their choices and actions, I just do not have the right to base laws and legal restraints on those judgments. Freedom of persecution, not criticism. If people want to look down on me for being a clopper than that is on them not me because I have made a conscious choice to not let it bother me Good on you. That is within your right and I applaud you for it. because many of these judgments come from deep seated insecurities about sexuality which I am grateful to not have. You speak against unfair judgement, yet you have ruled that a lot of these judgments come from insecurities about sexuality? Isn't that hypocritical? Secondly, I know that I do not oppose masturbating to cartoon ponies because I am "insecure" about my sexuality. I oppose it because it's stupid. I oppose it because it's disgusting. If you want to be disgusting, and do stuff like that, I can not forcibly stop you, however I can absolutely speak against what you do, and encourage people not to partake in it. People can fling back "closed-minded" but some ideas should not be entertained, or they are questionable if we should entertain them. I don't care about what you do with your wee-wee, but that doesn't mean I can't find it sick. You can clop all you like, it won't make me cry myself to sleep at night, because personally, I don't give a damn what the image the brony community has, because I'm not a brony. However if someone asks me how I personally feel about clopping, I'll tell them. Am I going to spread propaganda against them? No. It benefits me none to fix or destroy the brony community, because I am not a part of it, and it does not affect me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordDiscord 289 January 21, 2014 Share January 21, 2014 No one is "whiping their dick" in your face. You're a brony yet are saying "typical brony fashion"? Oh wait, I see, you're one of those "I'm not a brony! I'm just a fan of the show" guys...Brony = someone who likes MLP. Just because you might not like the word or certain people associated with the word doesn't mean you aren't one. And why should content creators stop making content just because Google and other websites can't moderate properly? You're a brony, as I mentioned above. Liking MLP = being a brony. You don't have to particularly care about the fan stuff to be a brony. This forum for example is working to discourage this image. Whether people want to accept what its really about , in the end, is up to them. You can if you want to. If you want to be a super fan, be a super fan. You have the right to get upset if you don't like the way you're being judged. Not trying to sound rude, but you do NOT have to be a brony to be a fan. Not everyone that watches the show cares, to be apart of a community or atleast take part of it. If they chose not to be called ''bronies'' than it is their right to make that decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Sumi 2 January 21, 2014 Share January 21, 2014 It's just your typical gender stereotypes; however there are double standards for women. Men that like MLP are called gay, neckbeards, etc etc, whereas if a woman likes a show aimed at boys she's seen as cool, edgy, funny, silly etc. No one cares if a woman likes Transformers, TMNT, Power Rangers, Batman and other shows that are generally aimed at the boy/teen male demographic. Women have always been allowed to like what males like, but it's not reversed due to men having to be the epitome of masculinity. But that is a much deeper topic that would require pages upon pages to explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarligPegasi 315 January 21, 2014 Share January 21, 2014 Well on Tumblr I've seen multiple post about people hating bronies because they're pedophiles (which we totally aren't!) and because when you search any MLP related things, sexual and inappropriate things pop up even if you're on safe search. Also there was something about people hating bronies because some brony (or multiple) justified rape. (I have yet to figure out what exactly they were talking about). Signature by @@Champion RD92, Examples of my Art Work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest January 21, 2014 Share January 21, 2014 Even if a brony IS a clopper; so what? If you don't like it, then just leave it alone. It's not your business. I agree 100%, as I do not want to know what you're beating your meat to. The problem is most cloppers seem to inform everyone that they are cloppers. Keep it to yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorqueEffect 112 January 21, 2014 Share January 21, 2014 (edited) We just have an extremely passionate fanbase that was formed by the internet, and is highly concentrated on the internet. I think it largely overblown by the internet. Everything seems bigger when it is on the internet doesn't it? Edited January 21, 2014 by TorqueEffect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zev_zev The outcast 415 January 21, 2014 Share January 21, 2014 You're a brony yet are saying "typical brony fashion"? Oh wait, I see, you're one of those "I'm not a brony! I'm just a fan of the show" guys...Brony = someone who likes MLP. Aha, and killer= someone who likes weapons. Okay let's imagine that you right. So can I be a "special" brony who don't clop, don't impose this cartoon to others, who disregard if somebody dislike this show? Can I be a brony who just watching mlp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest January 21, 2014 Share January 21, 2014 Aha, and killer= someone who likes weapons. Okay let's imagine that you right. So can I be a "special" brony who don't clop, don't impose this cartoon to others, who disregard if somebody dislike this show? Can I be a brony who just watching mlp? It's also not just "if you like MLP you must be a brony" that's the problem, they then take it FURTHER. They push you to comply to more and more. "If you like MLP you must be a brony." Then it becomes "If you are brony, you must love My Little Dashie." It continues from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camping Delights 33 January 21, 2014 Share January 21, 2014 What is wrong with this fandom? Where to even start? 1: Brownies worship has been artists 2: Brownies like to clop to porn and love to talk about clopping on a regular basis. 3: They made MLP not safe to search on Google anymore 4: They cherish poorly written fanfictions 5: Some like to talk about mating of actual ponies 6: The glorious amounts of stupid everywhere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest January 21, 2014 Share January 21, 2014 Also it is really annoying that when I type in "Allied Mastercomputer" I get ponies. The ponifying is getting to ridiculous levels to where bronies need to stop trying to put ponies in everything. I don't even need to put the word "pony" in it to get pony results anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camping Delights 33 January 21, 2014 Share January 21, 2014 Oh and type in Allied Master Computer on Google, you get stupid ponies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorqueEffect 112 January 21, 2014 Share January 21, 2014 I honestly think the haters are just as obnoxious as the Bronies themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zev_zev The outcast 415 January 21, 2014 Share January 21, 2014 It's also not just "if you like MLP you must be a brony" that's the problem, they then take it FURTHER. They push you to comply to more and more. "If you like MLP you must be a brony." Then it becomes "If you are brony, you must love My Little Dashie." It continues from there. If it's true, then ( It's painfull to say) I don't want to be a part of it. But wait. Who said that If I very like this cartoon, if I'm brony, that I should behave like a crazy fan? And what will happen if I refuse to be that way? I will not be allowed to watch mlp any more? It's all very weird and funny. And I think you ( both of you) are exaggerating a little. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest January 21, 2014 Share January 21, 2014 If it's true, then ( It's painfull to say) I don't want to be a part of it. But wait. Who said that If I very like this cartoon, if I'm brony, that I should behave like a crazy fan? And what will happen if I refuse to be that way? I will not be allowed to watch mlp any more? It's all very weird and funny. And I think you ( both of you) are exaggerating a little. Sadly... I am not. I once said I did not like My Little Dashie and people said I was not a "true brony" and that I "clearly have no heart and I was a shame to this community". This has happened on more than one occasion. I really wish I was exaggerating... This fandom goes on about breaking stereotypes and being so original, but if you do not conform to certain things bronies have established you are either told to conform or disowned. Another example is how bronies refused to accept Lyra as Heartstrings and forced even Hasbro to change her to Lyra. Bronies are so into conforming that they are arrogant enough to demand conformity to their standards from even the show creators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moved to Elsewhere 11,331 January 21, 2014 Share January 21, 2014 Well there are some bronies who do some ridiculous stuff like force the show to people who don't care and annoy them about it. Also the fact that people find it easy to harp on them since they like something that's a bit out of the ordinary. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Occasus 14 January 21, 2014 Share January 21, 2014 Sadly... I am not. I once said I did not like My Little Dashie and people said I was not a "true brony" and that I "clearly have no heart and I was a shame to this community". This has happened on more than one occasion. I really wish I was exaggerating... This fandom goes on about breaking stereotypes and being so original, but if you do not conform to certain things bronies have established you are either told to conform or disowned. Another example is how bronies refused to accept Lyra as Heartstrings and forced even Hasbro to change her to Lyra. Bronies are so into conforming that they are arrogant enough to demand conformity to their standards from even the show creators. I think people like that can't be called "Brony's" if they act like that because the whole message of the show is "Love, tolerance, and so on..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest January 21, 2014 Share January 21, 2014 (edited) I think people like that can't be called "Brony's" if they act like that because the whole message of the show is "Love, tolerance, and so on..." Errr... Doesn't tolerance mean you would not disown them because you don't like what they do? Isn't that being intolerant...? Essentially if bronies want a respectable community they need to abandon this "love and tolerate" motto and be a little more strict on the threshold of quality. Edited January 21, 2014 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camping Delights 33 January 21, 2014 Share January 21, 2014 I think people like that can't be called "Brony's" if they act like that because the whole message of the show is "Love, tolerance, and so on..." There is no such thing as Love and Tolerance, never has, never will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Occasus 14 January 21, 2014 Share January 21, 2014 Errr... Doesn't tolerance mean you would not disown them because you don't like what they do? Isn't that being intolerant...? Essentially if bronies want a respectable community they need to abandon this "love and tolerate" motto and be a little more strict on the threshold of quality. I don't know if I did understand that right but tolerance is: allow the existence, occurrence, or practice of (something that one dislikes or disagrees with) without interference There is no such thing as Love and Tolerance, never has, never will. You're right. And that's why we call ourselves, the human race, the most intelligent life form on earth.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest January 21, 2014 Share January 21, 2014 I don't know if I did understand that right but tolerance is: Exactly, which means that if you say someone's not a brony because they do something, that's being intolerant. If I wanted to be a brony and at disgusting racist nazi, I could do both and you telling me that I do not deserve to be a brony because I am a nazi and a racist would being intolerant of my racist and nazi ways. The point is the phrase "love and tolerate" needs to be destroyed or modified, because right now it's just being used for blind tolerance. We need to start being more intolerant towards stupid behavior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Occasus 14 January 21, 2014 Share January 21, 2014 Exactly, which means that if you say someone's not a brony because they do something, that's being intolerant. If I wanted to be a brony and at disgusting racist nazi, I could do both and you telling me that I do not deserve to be a brony because I am a nazi and a racist would being intolerant of my racist and nazi ways. The point is the phrase "love and tolerate" needs to be destroyed or modified, because right now it's just being used for blind tolerance. We need to start being more intolerant towards stupid behavior. But doesn't the whole sh*t start with people being intolerant? As you said before I once said I did not like My Little Dashie and people said I was not a "true brony" and that I "clearly have no heart and I was a shame to this community". They said it because they were intolerant in my eyes... they didn't like your "behavior" (I'm totally okay with that btw and would also be pissed if that would happen to me...) and said you're a shame and stuff... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest January 21, 2014 Share January 21, 2014 But doesn't the whole sh*t start with people being intolerant? As you said before They said it because they were intolerant in my eyes... they didn't like your "behavior" (I'm totally okay with that btw and would also be pissed if that would happen to me...) and said you're a shame and stuff... My whole point is that you should not use the phrase "love and tolerate" if you want to get rid of people like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorqueEffect 112 January 21, 2014 Share January 21, 2014 My whole point is that you should not use the phrase "love and tolerate" if you want to get rid of people like this. I have not heard that term used since I joined the fandom over two years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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